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Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017

Manchester Guardian

Rachel Dolezal: ‘I’m not going to stoop and apologize and grovel’

Two years ago, she was a respected black rights activist and teacher. Then she was exposed as a white woman who had deceived almost everyone she knew. Why did she do it?

Decca Aitkenhead
Saturday 25 February 2017 04.00 EST
Spokane is a modest town of wide streets and snow-capped horizons in Washington state, 90 miles from the Canadian border. Its population is 91 percent white, and voted heavily for Donald Trump. The lunchtime crowd in a downtown hotel bar is too absorbed in the ice hockey game on big screens to notice the woman who sidles into the lobby, and though curious to see what kind of attention she would attract, I feel relieved for her. Her great spiraled mane bounces as she approaches in a jade dress and heels, but only a fool would mistake the look for self-assurance.

Two years ago, life was going well for Dolezal. Branch president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and chair of Spokane’s police ombudsman commission, she was well known and respected for her civil rights activism. Her Eastern Washington University students adored her; her 21-year-old son was about to intern for a diversity advocacy group in Washington DC; her younger son was doing well in high school. When a local TV news crew arrived one afternoon to interview her, Dolezal thought they were there to talk about hate crimes.

“Are you,” asked the reporter, “African American?” Like a cartoon, her features froze. “I don’t understand the question.” The reporter pressed, “Are your parents white?” Dolezal turned from the camera and fled.

Footage of the confrontation flew around the world. Dolezal’s white parents released photographs of their daughter as a blonde white child, and appeared on TV to denounce her as a fraud; she had been living a lie, pretending to be black, when she was no more African American than they were. Dolezal resigned from her NAACP position, was fired by the university, lost her local newspaper column and was removed from the police ombudsman commission. Enthralled by her disgrace, talk shows and radio phone-ins sneered and raged. Why did she do it? What had she been thinking? When it emerged that she had once sued a university for discriminating against her because she was white, Dolezal’s notoriety was complete.

African American commentators called her a “blackface”, guilty of the worst extremes of cultural appropriation. She was “mentally ill”, and had cheated black people out of positions that were rightfully theirs. When Dolezal quoted the activist Dick Gregory to black talkshow host Loni Love — “White isn’t a race, it’s a state of mind” — the host exploded: “No, let me tell you something. I’m black. I can’t be you, I can’t reverse myself. That’s the difference.” Twitter span with comic memes, and still burns with comments along the lines of: “Why hasn’t anybody beaten her up already?”

“This is obviously an issue a lot of people want to say things about,” reflects Dolezal now. “And it needs to be talked about, so it’s kind of helpful to create a punching bag. There’s nobody saying, ‘Well, that’s racist if you say that about Rachel’, or ‘That’s sexist if you say that about Rachel.’ There’s no protected class for me. I’m this generic, ambiguous scapegoat for white people to call me a race traitor and take out their hostility on. And I’m a target for anger and pain about white people from the black community. It’s like I am the worst of all these worlds.”

Today Dolezal is jobless, and feeding her family with food stamps. A friend helped her pay this month’s rent; next month she expects to be homeless. She has applied for more than 100 jobs, but no one will hire her, not even to stack supermarket shelves. She applied for a position at the university where she used to teach, and says she was interviewed by former colleagues who pretended to have no recollection of having met her. The only work she has been offered is reality TV, and porn. She has changed her name on all her legal documents, but is still recognized wherever she goes. People point at her and laugh.

The 39-year-old says she can count the friends she has left in town on her fingers. “Right now the only place that I feel understood and completely accepted is with my kids and my sister.” She has written a memoir, titled In Full Color, but 30 publishing houses turned her down before she found one willing to print it. “The narrative was that I’d offended both communities in an unforgivable way, so anybody who gave me a dime would be contributing to wrong and oppression and bad things. To a liar and a fraud and a con.”

She wrote it, she says, “to set the record straight. But also to open up this dialogue about race and identity, and to just encourage people to be exactly who they are.” Some will read it as the first draft of a new version of identity politics, which casts race — just like gender — on a spectrum, and its author as the world’s first trans-black case. Others won’t believe a word of it. I’m not even sure whether this is a story about race, or a strange tale of one family’s dysfunction.

Dolezal was born at home in 1977, “on the side of the mountain” in rural Montana, to a pair of white Christian fundamentalists called Larry and Ruthanne; they entered “Jesus Christ” on her birth certificate as the only other witness to her birth. From a young age, Dolezal and her older brother Joshua were put to work on the family homestead, weeding vegetables, foraging for berries and hunting elk; in full-length homemade dresses and dog hair sweaters, she “looked like something out of Little House On The Prairie”. Dirt poor and uneducated, her parents lived by the Bible, spoke in tongues and beat her.

“I felt like I was constantly having to atone for some unknown thing. Larry and Ruthanne would say I was possessed and exorcise my demons, because I was very creative and that was seen as sensual, which was of the devil. It seems like everything that came naturally, instinctively to me was wrong. That was literally beaten into us. I had to redeem myself,” she says with a light, mirthless laugh, “from being me. And I never felt good enough to be saved.”

Blond and freckled, “like Pippi Longstocking”, she recalls choosing brown crayons to draw pictures of herself with dark skin and curly hair, like the Bantu women she saw in National Geographic. She would hide in the garden, smear herself in mud, and fantasize that she had been kidnapped from Africa. What she describes as a profound sense of not belonging followed her to school, where the other children wore trainers and had Doritos in their packed lunches, not elk tongue sandwiches. She did everything she could to fit in, picking huckleberries to earn money to buy Nikes, “but I knew I wasn’t one of them. I was always on the fringe.” The only person who really understood her life was Joshua, but he was the favored child, the son, and her relationship with her brother grew increasingly uneasy.

Dolezal says the first true love she ever knew was for the black Haitian baby and three African American babies her parents adopted in quick succession when she was 15. They said they were “saving children from the war on the unborn”; but Ruthanne soon self-diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, and the care of Dolezal’s new siblings fell to their big sister. Simply changing their homemade cloth diapers, Dolezal writes, “was like working on an assembly line”. As they grew older, she became highly attuned to racial bias in Montana, and felt fiercely protective towards them. She learned to braid their hair, taught them black history, and writes: “A funny thing happened. I began to feel even more connected to it myself. I began to see the world through black eyes.”

She read about a fellowship in Jackson, Mississippi which preached racial reconciliation and ran a Christian community where blacks and whites pooled their wages and shared their meals. When the time came to leave for college, she chose a school in Jackson, and set off for the south. On arrival she joined the fellowship, and at college signed up to the Black Students’ Union. “I didn’t really feel comfortable around southern whites, because the world view in the south is just so ingrained. But I felt this huge sense of homecoming with regards to the black community. On the white side I noticed hatred, fear and ignorance. And on the black side I noticed fear, anger and pain. I felt more at home with the anger and pain towards whites, because I had some anger and pain — toward not just my parents but also, even though I wouldn’t have been able to articulate it then, towards white supremacy. I unapologetically stood on the black side. I was standing with my convictions, standing also with my siblings, standing with justice.”

As time went on, she took to wearing dashikis and braiding her hair. “For me it was a political statement. It was me saying: ‘I am renouncing the propaganda standards of European beauty being superior.’ It was almost like cultural disobedience, going the other way, to say, ‘You know, this is actually beautiful to me.’” Cultural appropriation wouldn’t become a buzzword until many years later, “but I had the clear feeling that I didn’t want to offend anybody,” Dolezal says. Cultural appropriation is defined as “taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions or artifacts from someone else’s culture without permission”; Dolezal consulted African American women in her church about the protocol of braiding her hair. “And they were like, ‘To copy is to compliment.’ Everybody said that.”

When strangers began to assume from her appearance that she was black, she did not correct them. “I felt like the mis-perception was maybe that it was biological. But I felt what they were perceiving was accurate.” For the first time in her life, she felt beautiful.

Her parents didn’t think so. “They would act disgusted, like, ‘Why would you do that to your hair?’” Visits home became increasingly tense, for though still terrified of God and hell, Dolezal was growing more and more conflicted. “I was attracted to women as well as men, for which I felt very, very sinful. I mean, my first kiss was with a black woman, and it was like a whole year repenting for the feelings that I got from it.”

Salvation, in every sense, presented itself in the form of an African American born-again Christian in Jackson called Kevin. In her final year of college, when she was 22, the couple became engaged. Months before they were due to be married, Dolezal lost her virginity to him. “I called and told [her father] Larry the next morning. It was like a confessional, basically, and I said I want to make it right with God. So, sex on Monday, we got married on Friday.”

It was not a happy marriage. She says Kevin hated her looking black, so Dolezal went back to “repressing and censoring myself” by dressing as a white, silky blonde. He was bewildered by her application to study fine art at Howard University in Washington DC — “Why do you want to go to a black university?” — but she won a graduate scholarship and teaching position on the strength of a portfolio of artwork featuring exclusively black and African themes. If Howard was surprised when their scholarship student turned out to be white, Dolezal says no one ever said so. “The whole first year everything was fine. Everyone was cool.”

But by the end of her first year she was heavily pregnant, at which point her tutor rescinded her scholarship and teaching position. She sued Howard for discrimination on the grounds of gender, and — in a move that would later prove reputationally catastrophic — also race: because she was white.

Dolezal blames her lawyer. He “latched on”, she says, to the fact her tutor had told her: “Your white relatives can probably pay your tuition.” But she looks awkward and defensive as she says this. “I didn’t understand. I wasn’t a law expert. I don’t know precedents. I don’t know all these strategies and ways to fight a case.” Did she honestly believe she was discriminated against for being white? “I would say the primary discrimination was gender.” She pauses. “It sounds bad, right. It sounds like I just played that card for my advantage. But I just knew that if I did not have my scholarship, we were going to lose our apartment and Kevin was going to have to drop out of school.”

The couple and their young son, Franklin, moved to north Idaho. The marriage was increasingly unhappy. She recalls a photo taken of her shortly before she and Franklin left, “with bleach blond hair. And I look so dead inside. I remember feeling like I was almost gone, like I had repressed and suppressed all of myself.”

At Howard she had been introduced to the idea that racial identity was “an invention of human beings”; an arbitrary classification devised by colonial whites to justify their power and privilege. “It’s socially constructed as a world view, and people operate within it, but that also means that it can be reconstructed or deconstructed. And this was a great awakening for me, because it meant I wasn’t forced to own whiteness. It wasn’t like the honest thing to do is say, ‘I’m white’, because race is a social construct. And this gave me this great sense of internal freedom: I wasn’t actually all fucked up. I was actually on to something this whole time.”

Newly divorced, she reached a decision. “For the first time in my life, I really decided consciously to be free from the repression, and free from feeling like I had to do things in a way that was acceptable to other people. I had the courage to be exactly who I was.” From that day on, Dolezal would be unambiguously and publicly black, and remains so to this day.

It was surprisingly easy. She sunbathed, styled her hair into braids or dreadlocks or weaves, and applied bronzer when her tan faded. She stopped going to church, began dating men and women, ticked the box marked ‘black’ on medical and employment forms (she still does today), and when anyone asked about her ethnicity, she would say she was “mixed”. If asked which parent was black, she would say her mother was white. She made extra income by braiding hair.

Wasn’t she lying? “The times that I tried to explain more, I wasn’t understood more. Nobody wanted to hear, ‘I’m pan-African, pro-black, bisexual, an artist, mother and educator.’ People would just be like, ‘Huh? What? What are you talking about?’ So I felt like by not talking about my biological ancestry, I gave people the opportunity to relate to me as an individual, not part of a group.”

But she was presenting herself as part of the “black” group, wasn’t she? “I do think a more complex label would be helpful, but we don’t really have that vocabulary. I feel like the idea of being trans-black would be much more accurate than ‘I’m white’. Because you know, I’m not white. There is a black side and a white side on all kinds of issues, whether it’s political, social, cultural. There’s a perspective, there’s a mentality, there’s a culture. To say that I’m black is to say, this is how I see the world, this is the philosophy, the history, this is what I love and what I honor. Calling myself black feels more accurate than saying I’m white.”

Dolezal began working at two colleges, one in north Idaho, one in east Washington. Before long she was teaching African and African American art history, devising an Africana studies syllabus, and working a third job at the Human Rights Education Institute (HREI), where she was soon made director of education. She became friends with an older civil rights activist who observed, “It seems like you could use a dad and Franklin could use a grandpa,” and became her informal adoptive father; she called him Dad. When her adoptive teenage brother Izaiah came to live with her, Dolezal became his legal guardian and presented him — at his request — as her biological son.

With the jigsaw of her new racial identity complete, Dolezal’s profile as an academic and civil rights activist began to attract the attention of local white supremacist groups. Nooses started turning up on her front porch, and racist hate mail in her mailbox. Sinister men showed up at her office to issue threats; there were mysterious break-ins. In 2011 she moved the family across the state border to Spokane, and became involved in the local NAACP chapter. As the Black Lives Matter movement grew, Dolezal became an increasingly vocal protester, and was persuaded by fellow activists to apply for a vacancy on the Spokane police ombudsman commission. She won the position, and was nominated chair. Elected president of the NAACP’s Spokane chapter a few months later, by 2015 she was “not just perceived as black, but black and ‘uppity’.” She had never been happier.

Dolezal might still have been leading that life today. But in spring 2015, the Spokane police chief wearied of his troublesome ombudsman chair, and hired a private investigator to dig around for dirt. The PI knocked on Larry and Ruthanne’s door in Montana. All it took was a few words and old family photographs, and the chief was rid of his irritant at a stroke. The press were tipped off, the “Rachel Dolezal race faker” story broke, and within days Dolezal’s whole life lay in ruins.

Not once in three hours does Dolezal’s composure falter as she relives this story. I’m not sure how to read the glassy self-possession. Sometimes I wonder whether the isolation of her childhood left her strangely disconnected, naive about human nature and unable to grasp the way most people’s minds work. How else to explain why it never occurred to someone so clearly intelligent that black people, her friends and colleagues especially, might be furious with her?

The charge that she cheated them out of opportunities rightfully theirs came as a terrible shock. All her activist positions, she points out, were unpaid, and her Howard scholarship was neither reserved for black students nor won by false pretenses. She says she has always been breadline poor; the idea that she got rich by pretending to be black looks absurd.

But to appropriate blackness without having experienced a lifetime of racism strikes many African Americans as equally absurd — and insulting. Dolezal wasn’t prepared for this critique, either. “Have I had experiences by other people identifying me as black and behaving towards me as black? Yes. Just for as long as maybe somebody who was born categorized as black? No.”

Some of the worst things that have happened to Dolezal came in her childhood and her marriage — before she presented herself as black. Does she think some African Americans struggle to see that white people can suffer, too? “I think there’s definitely a stereotype of white privilege, and that stereotype gets expanded to mean rich, not oppressed, not suffering, et cetera. And yes, it’s a mis-perception.” The undeniable existence of white privilege, she argues, does not preclude the possibility of white pain.

Dolezal’s desire to correct this mis-perception in her book is entirely understandable, but I wish someone had told her that readers can only take so much misfortune before doubt sets in: I have never read a more exhaustive encyclopedia of outlandish injustice. In person, by contrast, she comes across as highly credible, and her central claim that a lie can be more honest than a biological “truth” has an internal logic. I don’t think Dolezal deliberately or knowingly lies. What she calls her “creative non-fiction” does, though, make me uneasy. She has admitted to fabricating needless deceits in the past — she once claimed to have been born in a tepee — which makes me worry that her subjective concept of truth matters more to her than veracity. The way she justifies her race discrimination claim against Howard feels more telling than I think she realizes: “I felt I was surviving in order to protect other people. It was my financial aid package that Kevin relied upon, I was seven months pregnant, so you know, a black man and black child also needed this.” What makes victimhood such a dangerous narrative is the false promise that it can justify almost anything.

She seems to have been inexplicably wronged by an extraordinary number of people, and I wonder if one reason behind so many fallouts was others’ nagging sense that she was somehow hiding something. As she says herself, “I’ve never been fully transparent or an open book, even to those you’d call close friends.” In the aftermath of Dolezal’s exposure, friends and activists abandoned her; the women’s leadership group to which she belonged expelled her. The only friends who stood by her were the handful of clients whose hair she braids. Just as her world was imploding, Dolezal discovered she was pregnant. Her son Langston, after the writer Langston Hughes, has just turned one.

Dolezal finds herself in a curious catch-22. Nowadays we would not call someone who presents as a woman, but was registered a boy at birth, a liar. We would not blame her for any subterfuges she might have felt compelled to commit, or cite them as proof of her untrustworthiness. But because Dolezal is seen to have lied about her race, her credibility has been undermined in the eyes of the law. Her book contains many details about her family which she says help make sense of her story; but they have not been corroborated by them, so cannot be repeated here for fear that a libel court would reject them as the claims of a self-confessed liar.

If the narrative of fluid, non-binary gender identity is now widely accepted, Dolezal believes the same should apply to race. “It’s very similar, in so far as: this is a category I’m born into, but this is really how I feel.”

Is racial identity as fluid as gender? “It’s more so. Because it wasn’t even biological to begin with. It was always a social construct.”

Trans commentators have been incensed by the suggestion of parallels. “Transgender people transition out of medical necessity,” wrote one. “Dolezal’s ‘transition’ to black, on the other hand, is surrounded by layers of deception.” They argue that her colour was a choice, so cannot be analogous to their gender identity. But if we believe someone born without ovaries or a womb can be a woman, and accept radical surgery as a legitimate corrective necessity, is it so different for a woman who is born white but feels black to reposition herself on the racial spectrum?

According to Dolezal, some trans people saw no difference between her sense of identity and theirs; one group printed up “TransRachel” T-shirts and mailed her one. Last year Rogers Brubaker, a professor of sociology at the University of California drew similar parallels in his book, Trans: Gender and Race In An Age Of Unsettled Identities.

“I feel that I was born with the essential essence of who I am, whether it matches my anatomy and complexion or not,” says Dolezal. “I’ve never questioned being a girl or woman, for example, but whiteness has always felt foreign to me, for as long as I can remember. I didn’t choose to feel this way or be this way, I just am. What other choice is there than to be exactly who we are?”

It’s possible that Dolezal’s story isn’t really about race at all. When Larry and Ruthanne exposed her, the humiliation and rejection “felt like reliving my childhood trauma on a global scale”, she says. Sometimes I wonder whether Dolezal is locked into a family psychodrama being played out through faith and race. Her description of the decision to begin a new life as a black woman sounds uncannily like being born again; her sons have been raised to regard white society with the same fearful suspicion she was taught to feel for the godless, in the bunker mentality of her Christian childhood. Although “spiritual”, Dolezal is no longer religious. She is estranged from two of her adoptive brothers, has not spoken to Larry and Ruthanne or Joshua for years, and does not expect to again. “I was talking to Izaiah the other day, and I said, ‘I don’t even know if I’d go to their funerals.’”

What hurts Dolezal most is not her parents’ betrayal or white people’s mockery, but the anger of the black community. “I did feel like I was evicted in 2015. That was very painful, to feel kicked out of it. I think it’s a mix of anger and sadness really for me, because I’ve struggled to stay away from turning bitter. But I do resent the fact that people knew that I gave so much, and I’ve done good things in the community. And when I could no longer do things for people I was thrown away.”

But Dolezal, say her critics, was still left with a privilege no one truly black will ever enjoy. She could always choose to be white again, and so by definition can never know what it really is to be black. I ask Dolezal if she considered going back to being white.

“No. This is still home to me. I didn’t feel like I’m ever going to be hurt so much that I somehow leave who I am, because I’m me. It really is who I am. It’s not a choice.”

In all the intrigue and drama of her disgrace, does she think she’s done anything wrong? “No, I don’t. I don’t think you can do something wrong with your identity if you’re living in your authenticity, and I am. If I thought it was wrong, I would admit it. That’s easy to do, especially in America. Every politician, they’re like, ‘I’m sorry’ and then they just move on and everybody’s like, ‘Oh, they apologized and it’s all good’. Five minutes later, nobody remembers it. I’m not going to stoop and apologize and grovel and feel bad about it. I would just be going back to when I was little, and had to be what everybody else told me I should be — to make them happy.”


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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 26 23:59:19 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

Heh, the left ate one of their own. She's quite delusional.

Also this little gem:
Cultural appropriation is defined as “taking intellectual property, traditional knowledge, cultural expressions or artifacts from someone else’s culture without permission”

Threw up a little in my mouth reading that. The whole point of "diversity" is sharing these things - who has the authority to grant this "permission" anyway?

Fortunately if enough people hear shit like this, the left will shrink into a fringe so small that the democratic party will have no choice but to distance itself from it.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 00:09:35 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 26 23:59:19 2017.

The Dems have been on the left so long, where could they go? Even their name is tainted by Woodrow Wilson declaring this:

(I)t is very clear that in fundamental theory, socialism and democracy are almost—if not quite—one and the same. They both rest at bottom upon the absolute right of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals. . . .
This is ingrained into them and they cannot shift rightward away from it.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 00:11:19 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

homeless?

She can't find a cuckold to house her?

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 01:04:32 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 00:11:19 2017.

That's not what cuckolds do.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 01:23:13 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 01:04:32 2017.

It's a form of cuckoldry.

Besides, if she self-identifies as black, it should be the same as gender-identity, and we should accept her as black.

Also, adopting black babies is cuckoldry. So she knows the culture.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 01:58:51 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 01:23:13 2017.

Nope. Cuckoldry is strictly when the husband has a cheating wife.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:01:56 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 01:58:51 2017.

I know a few white couples who have adopted black babies and I see it as cuckoldry.

This woman is fucking toxic. She's almost 40, divorced, and batshit crazy.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 02:53:07 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:01:56 2017.

Yes, she's a mess.

No less of a mess than Melissa Harris-Perry, let's say.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:55:10 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 02:53:07 2017.

she is being offered porn gigs.



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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 03:08:10 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:55:10 2017.

I saw that too.

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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 27 04:20:04 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

I wish the rest of the world would stop cultural appropriation from the whites. Ya think THAT'LL ever happen?

"Positions that should rightfully go to blacks." Hmmm... I thought that was against all of the workplace rules?

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 07:52:33 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 27 04:20:04 2017.

I wish the rest of the world would stop cultural appropriation from the Jews.

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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Feb 27 08:14:59 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 00:11:19 2017.

I can't believe that some dysfunctional white male won't take her in. Her plight should be feeding fantasies of liberals who would be aroused by the thought of saving this batshit loon. On the other hand, think how self satisfied one lucky man man feels that he had her and dumped her and got away clean.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Feb 27 08:24:16 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

She thinks being black is a state of mind? Then she could be just about anything, right? A tree, a panda, a mountain lion.

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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Feb 27 08:31:42 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

Now here is a woman who should be hopping the fence into Canada along with Rosie and Whoopi.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 27 08:35:26 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 07:52:33 2017.

Again, that'll NEVER happen! The term "cultural appropriation" is to be used in a few contexts only, other groups need not apply so to say.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 10:22:44 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 27 08:35:26 2017.

True.

But I don't actually want "cultural appropriation" from Jews to stop. That some aspect of my culture is appealing to others and subject to "appropriation" should make me proud at best and indifferent at worst.

These SJWs don't want equality and integration, they just want superiority. They want revenge for oppression, real or perceived.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:23:18 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 26 23:59:19 2017.

IAWTP, especially: "who has the authority to grant this "permission" anyway?"

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Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:27:12 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 10:22:44 2017.

My mother used to say "If you don't like Jews don't let your kids have Polio vaccine." That in an era when the then-Polio-epidemic was stopped in its tracks by mass vaccination with the Salk vaccine.

Of course, people in some countries are doing that, amidst rumors the vaccine is a Jew or western conspiracy to make them infertile or worse.

Ignorance is easy, and you get it for free!

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:28:18 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Feb 27 08:24:16 2017.

A man.

That said, being any ethnicity is partly a state of mind.

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Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:39:41 2017, in response to Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 21:16:35 2017.

I don't take satisfaction that this woman's whole life is destroyed.

The article seems to suggest that her motives her entire life is what I guess we could call "Identity Disphoria." She convinced herself she was a black person even as a child and then she manipulated her life and appearance to make it so.

I've known quite a few people who have labored hard to identify with some group not their own even to the point of denigrating their own group. It doesn't have to be ethnic or racial. The entire book "Great Expectations" is about the protagonist's desire to be Upper Class rather than a Laborer.

What makes Rachel uncommon is the extent of her self-deception; The elephant in the room would be explaining why her apparently sincere effort to identify as black and get institutionally involved in "black causes" is worthy of ruin but others' sincere belief that they are the wrong sex or the wrong gender is worthy of sympathy, support, medical intervention and government protection.

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Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:49:17 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:01:56 2017.

I know a few white couples who have adopted black babies and I see it as cuckoldry.

Nonsense. If both parents know it is not their natural born child and they both accept the adoption there is no cuckoldry involved.

The term "cuckolded" is from the cuckoo bird's habit of laying their eggs in other bird's nests, so the other birds are unknowingly raising young not their own.

It is a rather graphic description of what happens when a cheating wife bears another man's children and passes them off as the husband's. He is the cuckolded. The lover would be the "cuckoo" though I've never heard the term used like that.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 14:04:08 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:39:41 2017.

IAWTP

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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:08:52 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:39:41 2017.

I don't take satisfaction that this woman's whole life is destroyed

Well, neither do I. She hasn't done anything heinous such as murder (AFAIK), so she ought to be permitted to rebuild her life—after she disabuses herself of the notion (actually the delusion, ironically helped along by the National Association for the Advancement of Communistic Principles) that destroyed it in the first place.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:21:01 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:39:41 2017.

I agree that Rachel Dolezal is not particularly newsworthy any more (and wasn't that newsworthy even at the height of things) and should just be left alone.

But that's what most transgender people want too - just to be left alone and not have active interference in their lives from the outside.

Also, to extend the analogy, what Dolezal did in terms of asserting herself to being black is more akin to Bruce Jenner asserting himself to be a woman and therefore being permitted to compete as a woman in the Olympics. I think everyone would agree that such an assertion could be challenged.




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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 14:38:07 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:49:17 2017.

Nonsense.

I'm right.

It's cuckoldry. The woman is humiliating the husband in public and advertising that she's available for sex with black men. She is saying she wants to or fantasizes about being impregnated by black men.

Such men come off as simps. I feel bad for them.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:13:49 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:21:01 2017.

LOAlM!

We're in agreement. Somewhat.

We're probably similar in many ways.

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Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 15:18:16 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:21:01 2017.

East German athletes were famous for it.

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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 27 15:32:05 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 02:01:56 2017.

Her fundamentalist parents must have really done a number on her!

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by ftgreeneg on Mon Feb 27 15:52:57 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 14:38:07 2017.

LOL!

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 27 15:53:39 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:13:49 2017.

We're probably similar in many ways.


Just because you have AlM Dysphoria doesn't make you remotely close to being similar to someone of AlM's quality.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 27 15:54:05 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 15:18:16 2017.

That was steroids.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 16:06:54 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 27 15:54:05 2017.

Do you forget that East German female athletes were asked to prove they were female. Steroids yes, but it was guessed that they were men who also had surgery.


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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 16:07:29 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SMAZ on Mon Feb 27 15:53:39 2017.

What loyalty.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 16:50:26 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 16:06:54 2017.

I thought they were women with high levels of testosterone from birth.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 16:54:50 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 14:38:07 2017.

LOL.




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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 16:55:34 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:49:17 2017.

You are making the mistake of treating Luch's posts seriously.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 17:30:53 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 16:55:34 2017.

how is it a mistake?

The fact you can't refute the valid observation points I make and personally attack me means you lose the argument.

These white couples who adopt black babies usually fit a mold.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 17:38:25 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 17:30:53 2017.

I could choose to refute your claim with facts - namely a couple who doesn't fit your mold. But your claim is so outrageous that I choose not to bother.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 17:46:43 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 17:38:25 2017.

ok. And I'll back up my argument with my experiences with such couples.

We'll disagree because we have different experiences with such couples.



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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 22:54:34 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:21:01 2017.

If the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girl sports. Such as hot oil wrestling, foxy boxing and such and such.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 28 02:53:19 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 22:54:34 2017.

Naked pillow fights!

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 28 03:00:15 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by SLRT on Mon Feb 27 13:28:18 2017.

Reality itself is a state of mind. But once you get into that "state of mind" stuff, you're on a very slippery slope.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 09:34:32 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 17:46:43 2017.

In these couples you cite, does the man appear humiliated?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 09:42:59 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 28 03:00:15 2017.

I'm just saying that in cases where there is any doubt of "purity" and there is a possibility of being one identity or another, it can be a state of mind.

Socially Obama was "black" even with one white parent. You are aware of the concept of "octoroons"?

And if I child has a gentile father and a Jewish mother she is a Jew. Reverse the situation and she is not a Jew; though we can now prove "Jewish genetics" by DNA rather than ancient writings.

How f*cked up is that?

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 09:49:23 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 22:54:34 2017.

I find it amusing that in almost all fantasy war games, especially "outer space" ones, the men are covered and armored to the hilt, while the women fighters show off a lot of tempting targets.

Maybe I never realized that women need to expose their legs and bellies in combat to cool their bodies; you know, like rat's tails. Or could it be that as evolved as we claim we are, women's roles never change.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:53:36 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 28 03:00:15 2017.

Reality itself is a state of mind

Funny how you can get hurt by reality that is not a state of your mind. My state of mind can tell me that I can walk through moving cars and buses on the street, but reality will prove something very different from that.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:56:13 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 27 15:32:05 2017.

Unlikely. More likely the company she was keeping at college.

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Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white)

Posted by SLRT on Tue Feb 28 10:03:01 2017, in response to Re: Rachel Dolezal nearly homeless, can't get hired (former NAACP leader exposed as white), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 27 15:32:05 2017.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Did what kind of number, when?

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