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Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?
Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:06:57 2017 “Go buy Ivanka’s stuff is what I would say,” Ms. Conway, whose title is counselor to the president, said in an interview with Fox News. “I’m going to give a free commercial here: Go buy it today everybody, you can find it online.” § 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain. An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Feb 9 17:27:07 2017, in response to Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:06:57 2017.* Her boss think he's the Monarchy and above the law, which is for little people.
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Feb 9 17:44:22 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 9 17:27:07 2017.* Well, he is above the ethics law. But she's not.
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Posted by Joe V* on Thu Feb 9 17:50:49 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:44:22 2017.* She's a puppet.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Feb 9 18:12:14 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 9 17:50:49 2017.* That's what she's paid to be
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Posted by ftgreeneg* on Thu Feb 9 22:36:25 2017, in response to Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:06:57 2017.* She's following her bosses lead.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Feb 9 23:15:09 2017, in response to Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:06:57 2017.* Don't you have no problem with liberal judges legislating from the bench?
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Posted by MTK52983* on Thu Feb 9 23:42:22 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 9 23:15:09 2017.* I have a problem with any Judge, Liberal or not, legislating from the bench. If the test is acting as a super legislature and overruling the decisions of our duly elected officials, then the majority in Shelby County v. Holder was legislating from the bench because they overruled the Voting Rights Act although it was approved by the House of Representatives and the Senate by overwhelming margins and signed by the President. Agreeing or disagreeing with a decision is not the standard for if the Judge is legislating from the bench. The test should be are you looking to reach a desired result then twisting the law to meet that result. A good Judge, like Judge Gorsuch said, can point to opinions where he/she personally disagreed with the result, but nevertheless ruled that way because that is what the law compelled. Turning to the current Supreme Court, I have seen Justice Sotomayor engage in the "result first" attitude that bothers me, but I have also seen it from Justices Alito and Thomas. None of us have ouija boards to channel every drafter and find out what was going through that person's head. Even if we did, the answers would probably be so varied that the exercise would be a waste of time. Certain terms, even in the Constitution, are vague. The 8th Amendment says that cruel and unusual punishments should not be inflicted. Unfortunately, the framers did not define what is meant by the words "cruel" and "unusual." Any Judge who looks at a penalty with the belief that a particular punuishment is or is not "cruel" or "unusual" per se, that Judge is going to end up legislating from the bench.
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Posted by displaced angeleno* on Fri Feb 10 00:34:46 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 9 23:15:09 2017.* Another instance of the tu quoque fallacy. Also, see whataboutism.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Feb 10 01:57:23 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by MTK52983 on Thu Feb 9 23:42:22 2017.* The 8^th Amendment says that cruel and unusual punishments should not be inflicted. Unfortunately, the framers did not define what is meant by the words "cruel" and "unusual." The death penalty and certain forms of corporal punishment were not unusual or even cruel. And the Fifth Amendment does allude to the death penalty in its Due Process clause.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 03:53:09 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by MTK52983 on Thu Feb 9 23:42:22 2017.* Citizens United is also legislating from the bench. The original framers certainly did not explicitly give corporations any 1st Amendment rights.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 03:54:01 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 9 23:15:09 2017.* I quoted from an Act of Congress, not from a court ruling.
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Posted by MTK52983* on Fri Feb 10 06:50:05 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 01:57:23 2017.* But would the framers have extended that to children? Mentally ill? The latter has a history stretching over 3700 years indicating that that should be an exception. The death penalty when applied to a not mentally ill adult who received proper Due Process it is one thing, but if you take any one factor out does it still remain consistent with the Eighth Amendment? That is why I am saying that per se applications of ambiguous wording lead to legislating from the bench.
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Posted by MTK52983* on Fri Feb 10 07:11:57 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 03:53:09 2017.* Citizens United is more complex than that. Frankly, the whole "corporations are people too" did not have to be reached by the majority decision. The First Amendment permits the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. It also says that the state cannot abridge the freedom of speech. If a group of people decide to band together to form a corporation or any form of legal entity, should they lose the rights they have as individuals? Constitution does not say that they should.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 07:47:38 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by MTK52983 on Fri Feb 10 07:11:57 2017.* Constitution does not say that they should. Exactly my point. Nor that they shouldn't. So if Congress says they should, overturning that law is not strict constructionism.
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Posted by MTK52983* on Fri Feb 10 08:25:53 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 07:47:38 2017.* But it does say that Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, so if the law did that then overturning the law would be strict constructionism
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 09:03:38 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by MTK52983 on Fri Feb 10 08:25:53 2017.* I don't think that James Madison was aware of the ability of a corporation to speak. Or do you think that strict constructionism also prevents laws that punish the possession of loudly barking dogs?
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Feb 10 09:10:00 2017, in response to Did Kellyann Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 9 17:06:57 2017.* Did Kellyann Conway violate ethics when she in jest said that? Yes, but it's not that big a deal. Very petty. I'm sure she has been advised not to do that again.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 09:17:22 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 10 09:10:00 2017.* I agree. It's not a big deal as long as it doesn't happen more often. Trump's Nordstrom's comment is far worse.
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Posted by mtk52983* on Fri Feb 10 09:22:32 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 10 09:10:00 2017.* Ethics are "very petty" - good to know
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Feb 10 09:25:35 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 09:17:22 2017.* What did Trump say about Nordstrom?
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Feb 10 09:35:57 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 10 09:22:32 2017.* This one in particular? Yes.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 09:38:41 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 10 09:25:35 2017.* My daughter Ivanka has been treated so unfairly by @Nordstrom. She is a great person -- always pushing me to do the right thing! Terrible! The only catch is that various government agencies run by appointees of President Trump have power over Nordstrom's. All it takes is one agency member deciding to curry favor with Trump by unfairly disadvantaging Nordstrom's, and what you have is Argentina.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Feb 10 09:52:10 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 09:38:41 2017.* Yes, it's a shame that the president loves her daughter so much.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Feb 10 10:02:01 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 09:38:41 2017.* Well knowing that, maybe Nordstrom's should take that into account before pandering to you and you snowflake minions.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Feb 10 10:14:28 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Feb 10 10:02:01 2017.* lol
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Feb 10 10:29:42 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 03:53:09 2017.* I disagree.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Feb 10 10:32:24 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 09:03:38 2017.* I disagree. As for the dogs example, that's not "speech."
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Feb 10 10:35:44 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 03:54:01 2017.* No, you didn't. You quoted from the Code of Federal Regulations. Ologists don't accept the validity of administrative law.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 10:41:52 2017, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 10 10:35:44 2017.* Ah, silly me.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Feb 10 10:42:09 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 10 09:52:10 2017.* It's a shame that the president is a big baby who lacks self-control. If he doesn't want to put his country first, he should stop serving his country. PENCE 2017!
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Posted by Displaced Angeleno* on Fri Feb 10 10:44:57 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Feb 10 10:02:01 2017.* Given how often he uses the word "unfair", every day I'm reminded that the President is the most sensitive snowflake of them all.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 10:45:31 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Feb 10 10:02:01 2017.* I think you would feel very comfortable doing business in Egypt. Staying on the good side of the President is very important there.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Feb 10 10:56:57 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Fri Feb 10 10:44:57 2017.* Exactly #WhinyLittleBitch
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Feb 10 11:12:00 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 10:45:31 2017.* You are Egyptian, aren't you, Al-M
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 11:40:09 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Feb 10 11:12:00 2017.* No, that was my grandfather who was born in Egypt, and whom the Immigration Act of 1952 prevented me from ever getting to know. If you're going to track people on OTChat, you should try to be more accurate.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Feb 10 12:13:23 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 11:40:09 2017.* I'm not tracking anyone, asshole. I was asking.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Fri Feb 10 12:34:22 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 10 10:56:57 2017.* +1
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Posted by 3-9* on Fri Feb 10 14:49:16 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 10 09:52:10 2017.* Yes, it's a shame that he spoils his daughter by being a helicopter dad.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Fri Feb 10 18:19:49 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 10 10:42:09 2017.* trump is the president. done.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Feb 10 18:29:37 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 10 18:19:49 2017.* Right. Ethics laws don't apply to his staff.
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Posted by 3-9* on Fri Feb 10 20:25:16 2017, in response to Re: Did Kellyann Conway misspoke, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 10 18:29:37 2017.* Ethics, shmethics! He's going to make America great again! He said so!
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Jun 10 02:02:56 2025, in response to Re: Did Dr. Kellyanne Conway sleep through law school?, posted by MTK52983 on Fri Feb 10 06:50:05 2017.* But would the framers have extended that to children? Mentally ill? You think like a communist.
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