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Posted by The Silence on Sat Jan 28 23:26:32 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 28 21:17:36 2017. the systematic killings by the Germans could possibly be as high as 17 million.The fuckers went so far as to round up anyone who could speak Esperanto. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 29 08:20:57 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 28 21:30:42 2017. Bingo. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:00:08 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by The Silence on Sat Jan 28 18:55:57 2017. Mel Gibson on Sat Jan 28 18:55:57 2017Why must we emphasize one half and ignore the other half? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:03:52 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 28 14:06:28 2017. I don't like Pence either, but he'd be an adequate Republican president.Pence is a fanatical wingnut but at least he doesn't embarrass me as an American. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:04:50 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 16:37:06 2017. Chicagomotorman |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 09:07:40 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:03:52 2017. Pensce is nearly as dangerous but in different ways, and quieter.We're getting the combination of the damage Trump wanted to do and the damage Pence wanted to do. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:11:08 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 12:41:55 2017. There has been a common sense protocol followed by all recent Presidents that reflecting on the Holocaust without mentioning the Jewish people would be absurd.Annual Presidential proclamations are heavily influenced by those that preceded them. Not mentioning Jews on such an occasion requires a deliberate decision. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:12:55 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 09:07:40 2017. It's why I have been referring to him as Prime Minister Pence. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 11:15:24 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:12:55 2017. Pence doesn't appear to be shaping policy like Cheney did however. That's being left to Steve Bannon, with the result being rambling, somewhat unenforceable "executive orders" coming out of the white house. The result is things like happened yesterday?...Iraqi translators with green cards and special visas being detained in full public view.....who in their right mind would want to help us where its sorely needed if this is how they're treated? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 11:24:49 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:12:55 2017. Choke on your own vomit and die. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 11:30:59 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 11:24:49 2017. You like that phrase, don't you? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 11:33:34 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 11:15:24 2017. The sudden ban was a terrible idea. The worst was the Christian family sent back to Syria.The best the courts could do was allow those in flight to stay, but so many were turned back by the time the court system got through with it, even that victory was fairly ineffective. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 11:37:24 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 11:33:34 2017. The worst was the Christian family sent back to Syria.You mean a Muslim family with valid visas who is turned back suffers less than a Christian family? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 11:44:19 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 11:37:24 2017. Syria persecutes Christians more than Muslims. I'll Godwin this one: if a family of Jews was turned back to Nazi Germany, would you agree that would be worse than turning back a family of Christians? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 11:56:41 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 11:15:24 2017. Jimmy Carter banned Iranians after they seized out embassy - America cheered.Bill Clinton called for more rigorous enforcement of our borders in 1995 and Americans cheered Barack Obama bragged about deporting 2 million Mexicans and Americans cheered. Now suddenly, Trump also attempts to protect our borders and Bingbong has s problem with it. I think I understand. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jan 29 11:58:04 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jan 28 21:22:45 2017. Most of his executive advisors were, of course, Jews. His first friends in his first business was a Survivor who gave him great advice. He was the only one that defended them on the Apprentice, yada yada.But, as tokens, everyone has to pretend to like and defend Jews against Trump now. Do you want to be the Pawn or the Pawn? Sorry, you can't be the Queen in this chess game. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:02:03 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 11:44:19 2017. Weren't they turned back by a Democrat president? He didn't fear that they might be terrorists. He feared that they might be Bolsheviks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 12:08:09 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:02:03 2017. They were turned back by a Democratic president back when the Democratic Party was the party of the Klan. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:08:11 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 11:44:19 2017. Syria persecutes Christians more than Muslims.You're providing alternate facts there. ISIS persecutes Christians far more than Muslims (as long as they're Sunni). The government of Syria does not. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:14:14 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 11:56:41 2017. Carter, Clinton, and Obama all acted within the law. Trump did not:- Banning US residents before supposedly rescinding that ban. - Proposing a religious test for entry. - Restricting entry based on national origin, without any regard to other circumstances (the government of Iran engaged in an act of war against the US; the government of Iraq has not). - Banning people with valid visas. Congress could authorize Trump to do everything he's done (except for the religious test), but they haven't. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 12:21:19 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 11:56:41 2017. Carter, Clinton and Obama worked effectively within the confines of the law. Trump/Bannon (let's call it what it is) did not. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:26:04 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 28 13:23:45 2017. There is a YUGE difference between Refused and Failed.PS. White House spokesperson Hope Hicks sort-of seems to be suggesting it was deliberate. An "all lives matter" kind of statement. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:28:32 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 12:08:09 2017. They were turned back by a Democrat. This is not a sports statistic. There are no (*) here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 29 12:29:24 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:02:03 2017. Bolsheviks are terrorists. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:30:28 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 12:21:19 2017. More Bingbong Bullshit. Carter did it by executive order. You are certainly OLD enough to remember that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 12:33:14 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:30:28 2017. Which was perfectly legal. At the time, they (Iran) had perpetrated an act of war against the US. He could have gone a lot farther with it than he did and been within the confins of the law. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:37:30 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:30:28 2017. You do realize, don't you, that the government of Yemen is considered an ally? A US soldier just got killed defending Yemen.Not quite like the government of Iran in 1980. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:21:40 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 29 12:33:14 2017. Executive orders are still legal are they not? Why should PRESIDENT TRUMP be limited in his options? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:24:21 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:37:30 2017. You do realize that much of the world terrorists are trained in Yemen. Did you happen to mention the USS Cole, right? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 14:37:26 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 12:28:32 2017. I didn’t realize it was still 1938. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:37:47 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 29 12:29:24 2017. Precisely, which is why I worded it as I did. Not only were Bolsheviks considered terrorists, the term was considered an anti-Semitic slur. Democrats anti-Semitc? Can't be. Right John Podesta? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:48:13 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 14:37:26 2017. Aw come on piggy, with all the comparisons between Trump and Hitler that seemingly slip by you, don't tell me you're going to out yourself as a liberal hypocrite, too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 14:57:53 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:48:13 2017. How is it hypocritical to point out that the Democrats were a different party in 1938 than they are in 2017? You're stuck in the past. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:16:30 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 14:57:53 2017. The party is no different. The emails hacked from John Podesta's account show the same racism and the same anti-Semitism that existed in the 20s through the mid 60s and beyond. They've just gotten more sophisticated about covering it up for a less astute voter. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:27:25 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 14:21:40 2017. Executive orders are still legal are they not? Why should PRESIDENT TRUMP be limited in his options?Not if they contradict the Constitution or acts of Congress, no. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:28:27 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:16:30 2017. Right. Podesta supported the right of business owners to refuse service on account of race. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:29:06 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:27:25 2017. And you are about to show where Trump's executive order is illegal, right? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:46:42 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:29:06 2017. I listed 4 points, of which 1 (blocking US residents) might be in the process of being rescinded. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:48:36 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:46:42 2017. Illegal or reconsidered? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:50:12 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:28:27 2017. Why are you deflecting? I was referring to racist and anti-Semitic comments from a specific source. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:51:03 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:48:36 2017. Blocking US residents from returning to the country is being reconsidered and is very likely a violation of the Immigration Act of 1965. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:52:04 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 15:50:12 2017. You said racism from the 1920s to 1960s, not me. I am pointing out that any racism that Podesta might have expressed was not of the sort prevalent then. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 16:04:27 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:51:03 2017. Your opinion is very valuable to me because T let me know when you are definite. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 16:17:58 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 15:52:04 2017. Ah, I see. So in your mind, there is racism and then there is racism and you approve of that racism. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 29 19:25:30 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 29 12:08:11 2017. I agree. But as long as the US and Russia are playing tiddlywinks while Allepo burns, fleeing Syria = fleeing ISIS.Once a stable, secular government is restored to power, I will then say that Syria is a safe place for Christians. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jan 29 19:35:51 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 28 11:37:28 2017. That's still more Jews Than obama eis looking out for. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 29 20:10:29 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:00:08 2017. So you believe that the pain and suffering of millions of people who died at the hands of the Nazis don't matter because they were the wrong religion..? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 29 20:30:57 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 29 09:00:08 2017. Because one half was specifically targeted for their religion. The others were not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 29 20:38:23 2017, in response to Re: Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 29 20:30:57 2017. Bullshit. Even converts from Judaism were targeted. It was about ethnicity, not religion. Religion is a choice, ethnicity is not. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 30 09:29:17 2017, in response to Donald Trump Refuses to Mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 28 09:49:18 2017. but it's SMAZ who writes innacurate subject headers----------------- Facing criticism, Trump administration has no regrets about leaving out Jews in Holocaust statement By Abby Phillip - Washington Post Facing growing criticism for failing to mention Jews in a statement marking the Holocaust, the Trump administration on Sunday doubled down on the controversial decision. In a statement on Friday, President Trump broke with the bipartisan practice of past presidents by failing to include any mention of the anti-Semitic views that fueled the Holocaust and left 6 million Jews and millions of others dead. “I don’t regret the words,” said White House chief of staff Reince Priebus when asked to defend the statement on NBC News’ “Meet the Press” on Sunday. “Everyone’s suffering [in] the Holocaust including obviously all of the Jewish people affected and miserable genocide that occurs — it’s something that we consider to be extraordinarily sad,” Priebus added. Trump’s 117-word statement was issued on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which marks the anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp. Trump remembered “the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust” without specifically mentioning Jewish people. What might have been seen as an oversight was confirmed by White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks to have been an intentional decision. “Despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered,” Hicks told CNN on Saturday. On Sunday, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) sharply criticized the White House for deploying a well-known tactic of Holocaust deniers. “This is what Holocaust denial is,” Kaine said on NBC. “It’s either to deny that it happened or many Holocaust deniers acknowledge, ‘Oh yeah people were killed, but it was a lot of innocent people; Jews weren’t targets.’ ” Conservative commentator John Podhoretz slammed the White House’s defense of its actions in a column on Saturday, noting that Nazi ideology rested on the aim of exterminating Jewish people from the face of earth. “The Nazis killed an astonishing number of people in monstrous ways and targeted certain groups — Gypsies, the mentally challenged, and open homosexuals, among others,” Podhoretz wrote. “But the Final Solution was aimed solely at the Jews. The Holocaust was about the Jews. “There is no ‘proud’ way to offer a remembrance of the Holocaust that does not reflect that simple, awful, world-historical fact,” he added. “To universalize it to ‘all those who suffered’ is to scrub the Holocaust of its meaning.” In fact, the United Nations created the International Holocaust Remembrance Day in 2005 in part to combat a growing wave of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial worldwide. In a speech on Friday in Washington, the Israeli ambassador to the United States warned against separating the history of the Holocaust from the Jewish people. “For many, the Holocaust is primarily a universal story about man’s inhumanity to man, about the evils of racism and xenophobia, about how even the most enlightened societies can descend into darkness and barbarism,” said Ambassador Ron Dermer. “But if this noble universal vision is not firmly rooted in an appreciation that the Holocaust is first and foremost a Jewish story, it can become not only dangerous but even immoral.” The tactic of minimizing the impact of the Holocaust on Jewish people is also closely associated with nationalist movements in Europe, including the far-right National Front Party in France now led by Marine Le Pen, whose father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, was fined for Holocaust denial. The younger Le Pen has sought to make connections with Trump, calling his victory in the November election a “sign of hope” for her own political future. Countries such as Russia and Poland are also known to ignore the Jewish dimension of the Holocaust in public statements. But since International Holocaust Remembrance Day was created more than 10 years ago, former presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, during their terms, referenced anti-Semitism or the slaughter of millions of Jewish people during World War II. “I don’t understand why this is even a problem,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League. “This is not a political issue, this is a matter of not just sensitivity, it’s a matter of historical fact. “Six million Jews were slaughtered along with millions of other people,” he added. “But the Holocaust was about this singular focus on the annihilation of the Jewish people. That’s why we remember it. That’s why there is a day, a sad day like this past Friday, to reflect upon it.” Kaine tied Trump’s move on Friday to bar the entry of travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries to the puzzling Holocaust statement issued on the same day. “The fact that they did that and imposed this religious test against Muslims in the executive order on the same day, this is not a coincidence,” Kaine said. But Priebus noted that Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, who is also a senior adviser in the White House, is Jewish. Trump’s daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism before the two married. “You know that President Trump has dear family members that are Jewish and there was no harm or ill will or offense intended by any of that,” Priebus added. It is not clear what role Kushner played in the crafting of the statement. During the campaign, Kushner defended Trump against accusations of anti-Semitism after Trump tweeted out a graphic featuring the Star of David overlaid on piles of money, an image that had been circulating in anti-Semitic circles online. “My father-in-law is not an anti-Semite,” Kushner wrote last year. And later in the campaign, Trump’s campaign released a “closing argument” ad that juxtaposed images of Jewish financiers and public officials with a denunciation of a “global power structure.” The Anti-Defamation League criticized the language in the ad for leaning on anti-Semitic tropes. |
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