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Posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016 In May, 2016, the City Council passed the 5 cents charge on bags. I believe it was to have taken effect on 10/01/2016.Is that true?? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 16:26:55 2016, in response to Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016. oh no we got that shit here in cali |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 28 16:28:18 2016, in response to Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016. The effective date has been delayed, but yes it is coming. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 16:29:55 2016, in response to Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016. What city? |
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Posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:33:37 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 16:29:55 2016. The City Council in New York City passed the law in May 2016.I have seen that implementation is delayed. Anyone have a new effective date?? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 16:35:31 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:33:37 2016. Thanks. Another stupid idea from the liberal nanny state. |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Sep 28 19:45:10 2016, in response to Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016. I heard that it has been postponed until February 2017. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 28 20:12:20 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 16:26:55 2016. Yeah I think ours are 10 cents. I take my own bags usually. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 20:21:58 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 28 20:12:20 2016. yup its amazing how my wal mart blue bags have outlasted all my otherre - usable bags now that we charge for plastic ones its a drag easy lol |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 20:55:29 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 16:35:31 2016. Toronto tried it and after about 3 years, reversed it.It’s time to admit that plastic bag fees aren’t actually working Here's a Canadian bag industry's piece on why plastic bags are actually better for the environment than (or at least on par with) reusable ones: All about bags. This was written to curb a proposal to outright ban plastic bags, but a lot of it holds true even for fees. My favorite argument was the simple math: a plastic grocery store bag usually gets a second or third life anyway, like bringing your lunch to work, lining a small trash bin, or picking up dog poop. Thus, the environmental cost of making the reusable bags is only recovered after it has been reused over 130 times. Also, if it is used to carry fresh foods, they must be washed regularly (either in the sink or laundry) to prevent disease. In areas with limited water (like California) this causes more damage than single use plastic bags would. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 21:00:02 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 16:26:55 2016. Yeah they did it in DC too. It's just the district, so the fee only affects those who live there and cannot drive to MD and VA. Fortunately, this means only the poor have to pay the fee, not the middle class and above. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 21:07:45 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 21:00:02 2016. iawtp |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Sep 28 21:15:29 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 16:26:55 2016. Shit is right!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Sep 28 21:16:15 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 21:07:45 2016. Also agreed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Sep 28 21:17:36 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 20:55:29 2016. Yeah, it's ridiculous. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 28 22:13:07 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Sep 28 21:15:29 2016. iawtp |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 28 23:12:13 2016, in response to Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Wed Sep 28 16:26:09 2016. Ain't government's business; they're just looking to line their pockets/coffers. However, if a private company wants to do that (e.g. Aldi), then that is their prerogative. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 29 00:34:52 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 28 16:35:31 2016. Go ahead and pollute the rivers then. Bag fees work. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:55:53 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 29 00:34:52 2016. They work in the sense that, businesses get a government mandated windfall in an area that used to be a cost center, and that they discourage use of plastic bags.However, replacing plastic bags with reusable ones is at best environment-neutral. At worst, it hastens public health decline, as people carrying things like raw meat in the bag then go and reuse it the next week for vegetables. With plastic bags, this isn't even a thing. It also makes self checkouts awkward - how do you charge for the bags? I guess they could make them reusable-bag only stations. It's also another tax on the poor. The extra 25 cents a shopping trip for 5 bags means nothing to my financial stability, so I would likely continue to get as many bags as I need. Hell I'm too lazy to rinse out my soda containers at work so I only bother to redeem nickels for water bottles. However, the less well off are the ones who will ration their bag usage and might end up in a position where they're dropping things on their way home just because they tried to save a nickel. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 06:24:40 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:55:53 2016. It also makes self checkouts awkward - how do you charge for the bags? I guess they could make them reusable-bag only stations.How about the self check out at the supermarket ? How would the check our machine know whether you brought your own bag, like I do, or if you are using one of theirs ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 08:55:44 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:55:53 2016. It's also another tax on the poor.The charge is waived if you pay with food stamps or show other evidence of low income. |
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Posted by fset on Thu Sep 29 09:39:56 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 08:55:44 2016. Do we think that Nassau, Suffolk or westchester will have a 5 cents charge also?I remember being in London and bought something at Boots Pharmacy and had to walk out without a bag. Hold onto your receipts! At Costco and Sams Club, you can use a box for carrying things. I agree that in re-using the heavy plastic bags (like the few I have bought for 99 cents from Trader Joe), they get dirty and soiled inside. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 10:27:40 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 28 20:55:29 2016. I agree with the reuse thing. I actually use them for garbage. I don't see how this will "save plastic from going to the garbage, as I will have to buy plastic bags for garbage instead (and they are usually larger, and thicker than the shopping bags. I just like to empty the garbage a lot as to not have it lying around, so the shopping bags in a pail work great. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 29 10:44:08 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 29 00:34:52 2016. IAWTP |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 10:50:50 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 29 00:34:52 2016. What a stupid response. Anything that's not nailed could be littered. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 29 10:51:59 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 29 10:44:08 2016. You're an idiot! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 29 11:50:13 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Sep 29 00:34:52 2016. does not work in caifornia |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 13:19:33 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 29 11:50:13 2016. As I am sure it won't work elsewhere. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 29 15:54:06 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 13:19:33 2016. its not working here |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 17:32:59 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 00:55:53 2016. Hell I'm too lazy to rinse out my soda containers at work so I only bother to redeem nickels for water bottles.In NYS, rinsing out containers is only suggested for cleanliness. It is not required under NYS law, says it right on the poster that should be by the redemption machine. Don't know about other states. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 17:39:17 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by fset on Thu Sep 29 09:39:56 2016. Do we think that Nassau, Suffolk or westchester will have a 5 cents charge also?Suffolk just voted yes to it not long ago. Town of Southampton made a law a few years ago banning them, must use reusable or paper. I question paper bags being better for the environment. Are the smoke stacks at the paper mill actually cleaner when it comes to the environment? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 18:24:37 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 17:39:17 2016. I question paper bags being better for the environment.Agreed. Paper goes to the same landfill as plastic. Plastic is worse if it doesn't end up in the landfill, though, but ends up in the ocean. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 19:10:00 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 18:24:37 2016. Agree about the ocean. Paper breaks down in the landfill quickly, which is the plus. The smoke stack at the mill and air quality, that is where I question. Is a bias involved toward plastic in the landfill but not air pollution at the paper mill. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 19:29:35 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 19:10:00 2016. Paper breaks down in the landfill quickly, which is the plus.It doesn't. Landfills have no air. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 20:57:16 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 17:32:59 2016. It's disgusting to carry around a bag that has filthy ticky bottles and cans in it. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 20:59:11 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 19:29:35 2016. We went throughthis before. Paper decomposes from tthe moisture ddoesn't need air. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 21:11:12 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 20:57:16 2016. Sticky, not ticky |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 21:26:05 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 20:57:16 2016. Never said it wasn't. Just said what the redemption law says. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 07:03:25 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Sep 29 20:57:16 2016. It's disgusting to carry around a bag that has filthy sticky bottles and cans in it.How much trouble is it to rinse out the deposit bottles and cans ? I do, and they're not sticky. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Fri Sep 30 08:25:48 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 07:03:25 2016. Exactly |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 30 10:29:10 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 29 19:10:00 2016. Plastic bags are also produced in polluting factories. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 10:30:43 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 30 10:29:10 2016. So are paper bags. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 30 10:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 10:30:43 2016. which makes it a draw on that end.That leaves paper superior because of less problematic disposal. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 10:45:28 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 30 10:37:36 2016. Paper and plastic disposal are identical in effect except when the plastic ends up in the ocean. However, I don't deny that a lot of plastic bags end up in the ocean, and that is very bad. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Sep 30 12:43:32 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by SMAZ on Fri Sep 30 10:29:10 2016. Which I don't dispute. Like I said the east end of long island banned plastic bags, leaving a choice of either paper bags or reusable bags. Some stores give paper bags, some give nothing. Is it really a win when it comes to pollution? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 12:47:14 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Sep 30 12:43:32 2016. Is it really a win when it comes to pollution?Plastic bags in the ocean are very bad. Reducing them is good. That doesn't necessarily mean that banning plastic is the right answer. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Sep 30 12:48:27 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 07:03:25 2016. So do I. I have a separate garbage can for returnables. Point was just because somebody don't rinse the container, doesn't mean it can't be redeemed for the deposit. And I really don't like people who don't rinse and spill the remnants of the container on the machine. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Sep 30 14:37:46 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 30 12:47:14 2016. Hold on, I realized I left this out, The east end banned them because of plastic bags in the landfill.I understand what you mean ocean wise, but putting the ocean issue aside, can we agree neither paper manufacturing or plastic bags in the landfill are great environmentally speaking? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 30 20:17:26 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 07:03:25 2016. I have a recycling pale for bottles and cans. I don't want insects in the garage. I wash them out before I throw them into it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 22:57:59 2016, in response to Re: Nickel Charge for Plastic/Paper Bags, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 10:27:40 2016. My mother did too, which is where I learned the practice.My roommate does too, after seeing how I do it. And plastic shopping bags are so easy to tie up. Unless you go for drawstring trash bags (more expensive), it's a pain with the big ones. Unless we're entertaining guests we simply don't need those super thick giant trash bags. |
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