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Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 22:49:56 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:39:02 2016. Did you ever develop object permanence? You do realize that things like traffic jams exist despite the fact that you can't see them with your own eyes?Once again, the traffic jam BEGAN long before YOU could see it. That's what Waze is for. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 23:06:58 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 22:49:56 2016. Mother f'ing OWNED!!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 23:08:18 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 28 22:39:02 2016. You're wrong. The jam began long before you saw it. WAZE would have helped you significantly. But you're STILL arguing with people who know more than you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:31:20 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:45:43 2016. Since there was a two mile backup, three lanes wide, that means that at any given time there were 1200 cars stuck on the BQE. So over the course of the night it was many thousands of cars delayed between 20 minutes and an hour. So you are saying there were thousands of WAZE users you avoided the BQE that night. That is highly unlikely. What percentage of drivers would you say use WAZE regularly? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:32:23 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Wed Jul 27 19:11:45 2016. And what would be the reason for that? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:33:33 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 27 13:48:39 2016. Because most don't work on Sunday and can afford to be out later on Friday and Saturday nights than on other days of the week. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:36:00 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 28 12:34:09 2016. Never claimed others could not be more knowledgeable. But to claim that anyone who got stuck is their own fault because they didn't use WAZE or that most drivers do use WAZE and I was dumb because I didn't use it is ridiculous. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:43:26 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 22:49:56 2016. I never said that the traffic jam was not there before I could see it. Of course it was there and probably was getting worse by the minute.But your claim that WAZE would have gotten me home sooner is unsubstantiated unless it would have kept me off the BQE in the first place which it would not have done since I began my trip around midnight BEFORE the delays had started. Once on the BQE and after the LIE turnoff, there really was no other alternative. There were long delays at all exits except for the Williamsburg Bridge and Morgan Avenue. It made no sense to go to Manhattan on,y to have to return to Brooklyn. And as I said there is no easy route that does not involve many turns and missed traffic signals if I got off at Morgan. The delays to get back on the BQE at Atlantic was also an unknown if thousands of other cars were using local reads to get back on there. So the only other choices were Kent and Tillary, both of which were bad. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 12:45:54 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:32:23 2016. Rush hour don't start on Sunday morning. Most trucks are parked on Sunday, so there is minor disruption to commerce. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 12:55:57 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:31:20 2016. So you are saying there were thousands of WAZE users you [sic] avoided the BQE that night.No, I never said anything of the sort! I even implied the opposite! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 12:57:40 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:33:33 2016. And because those are discretionary trips, discouraging them is less disruptive. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 13:01:11 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:36:00 2016. No one at all called you dumb. At least not in this thread and not for the reason that you don't use Waze. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 13:11:11 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:43:26 2016. Have you ever thought that maybe a U-turn via Morgan or Metro and a return to the LIE would be faster? Obviously you couldn't have known that in advance, but Waze could have.And there is a faster route if you take the Morgan or Metro exits that uses only local streets. Waze could have sent you that way. That you started the trip before Midnight doesn't matter. Waze would have updated the ETA and recalculated the route. Please stop talking about "It made no sense to go to Manhattan only to have to return to Brooklyn." Of course it makes no sense but no one other than you is suggesting it. It made no sense to go to Manhattan on,y to have to return to Brooklyn. And as I said there is no easy route that does not involve many turns and missed traffic signals if I got off at Morgan. The delays to get back on the BQE at Atlantic was also an unknown if thousands of other cars were using local reads to get back on there. Unknown to you but not to Waze. And there are not "many turns." |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 13:53:04 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:36:00 2016. "But to claim that anyone who got stuck is their own fault because they didn't use WAZE or that most drivers do use WAZE and I was dumb because I didn't use it is ridiculous."You clearly said you read the sign in the first post. If you checked ANYTHING besides that sign, you would have known the road got closed at Midnight. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:33:27 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 13:11:11 2016. Given the absence of a northbound (eastbound) lane due to the rebuilding of the Kosciuszko Bridge going in that direction is always bad now at any time so at most turning around at Morgan to go back to the LIE would have saved ten minutes.I mentioned the Willamsburg Bridge exit because someone suggested getting off at an earlier exit and that and Morgan were the only choices. As I said, there were over 50 cars waiting at the Metropolitan exit so it probably would have been no faster than Wythe which I took. As for Morgan, when I passed it, I had no idea traffic would come to a halt without warning just before the Williamsburg Bridge exit. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:35:20 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 28 23:08:18 2016. You don't know for sure if WAZE could have helped in this situation. You are purely speculating. Why weren't the 1200 others who were stuck at that moment using WAZE. Everyone was too dumb? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:37:43 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 13:01:11 2016. Saying it almost definitely would have helped and others who are more knowledgeable than me used it and didn't get stuck infers that I wasn't smart enough to you WAZE. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:40:09 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 13:53:04 2016. Checked anything else? I was supposed to turn on the radio and immediately hear the traffic report for the BQE? Unlikely. Or was I supposed to reach in my pocket for my phone and turn on WAZE while I was driving? Were those my other choices? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:41:57 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 12:57:40 2016. Less disruptive than what? Would it also be ihas to discourage discretionary mass transit trips too or is it only automobile trips that don't matter? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:43:13 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 12:55:57 2016. So you were saying there were a few smart WAZE users who avoided the mess? Pure speculation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:46:16 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 12:45:54 2016. But we don't even know if full closure was the best choice. Most likely the closure was for resurfacing which does not require full closure. An emergency closure would be a different story. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:49:11 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 27 12:14:10 2016. Actually now that I think of it, I did use the BQE earlier in the day eastbound to Metropolitan and there were no warnings of a closure for Sunday morning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:53:11 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:33:27 2016. The right lane is closed approaching the Morgan entrance. It doesn't affect traffic coming from the Morgan entrance. However they've also narrowed Meeker Avenue eastbound.It would have been faster than Wythe because Wythe is always a nightmare, even in "normal" conditions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:53:53 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:35:20 2016. We are not speculating. We are speaking from experience. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:58:10 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:37:43 2016. No, it means you are ignorant of Waze. That is not at all a bad thing! You can learn. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:59:04 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:40:09 2016. No. As we've been telling you since the beginning, you turn it on before you drive, every time. NO EXCEPTION. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:59:49 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:41:57 2016. Yes. That's why when they have to close subway lines not on a 24/7 basis they do it on the weekends! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 23:00:15 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:43:13 2016. Not speculation at all. EXPERIENCE! |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 23:11:13 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:40:09 2016. Your the one who said at 12:10a.m. you seen the sign. Or are you going to claim you didn't say that? The next traffic report on 1010 Wins would have been at 12:11a.m. Not sure when traffic is on 880AM. You said you figured you had enough time, well you figured wrong, you screwed yourself especially since DOT had it on there website at least 3 days before the work.God forbid you do ANYTHING to help yourself, considering you are fighting the fact of checking traffic to plan YOUR travel route. The only disappointing part of this story is you got home in an hour and twenty minutes, it should have been longer as punishment for your inability to plan. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 00:18:12 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 23:11:13 2016. 880 is on the 8s |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:46:04 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:59:49 2016. But I believe auto travel patterns are a little different than subway patterns. There are probably more subway users on Mon through Fri nights than on Saturday night Sunday morning, but I would think especially in the summer highways are more crowded on a Saturday night than on a Thursday night. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:57:06 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:53:11 2016. What are you talking about. There is no eastbound entrance at Morgan. After the exit at Humboldt the next entrance is after Varick after snaking through two lanes at Meeker. Betcha that is always crowded.And Metroplitan is a bigger nightmare than Wythe. Wythe is backed up around 40 percent of the times I am there while Metro is backed up around 80 percent of the time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:57:30 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:53:53 2016. Not going to win with you. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Jul 30 11:29:51 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:57:30 2016. Nobody's trying to win but you. Try listening to what others have to say instead of making excuses why everybody else is wrong. You might learn something to make your life easier. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:41:28 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:46:04 2016. But as I've said before, it is likely that late night trips during the week are more likely to be work trips than over the weekends. Work trips are more important to accommodate. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:48:10 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:57:06 2016. Don't be obtuse. You obviously know what I meant by "Morgan entrance" as it is directly opposite the exit, which isn't along Morgan either. And I mentioned the narrowing of Meeker at that point, so I'm not sure why you are repeating it.And you can bet all you want, but I can tell you that it is not always crowded. Its crowding corresponds to eastbound delays on the Kosciuszko Bridge, which you would be able to see going the other way. Or are you not going to believe me just like the Atlantic Avenue elevator? Regardless, Waze would know whether it's crowded or not. Thus if you were using it, it would only tell you to use Meeker if you were actually better off doing so. I don't agree with you about Wythe. Wythe is always backed up into the highway itself, Metro is rarely like that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:49:07 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 30 10:57:30 2016. Of course not. Because you are wrong. But if you admit that, you can at least have a draw. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:49:24 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Sat Jul 30 11:29:51 2016. AWESOME POST! |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Jul 30 15:30:50 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:49:24 2016. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:30:23 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 23:00:15 2016. Yep. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:31:24 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 21:43:13 2016. Why is this so hard to understand? If you used WAZE, you would most likely have NOT been in the jam. That's a fact. What is your problem? We know way more about this than you do. Just like we know way more about a lot of stuff than you do. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:32:57 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:41:28 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:33:46 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:58:10 2016. Yep! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:34:37 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:59:04 2016. EXACTLY! Even if you know exactly how to go! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:35:31 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Jul 29 23:11:13 2016. Great post! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 00:38:10 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 29 12:36:00 2016. Never claimed others could not be more knowledgeable.I never said that you said that! Learn how to read! Address what I wrote! But to claim that anyone who got stuck is their own fault because they didn't use WAZE or that most drivers do use WAZE...is ridiculous.Wrong. It's not ridiculous at all. and I was dumb because I didn't use itNo, as others noted, you're ignorant. But if you still refuse to listen to use after this and still refuse to use WAZE after this, well then that does show that you are dumb. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 01:05:33 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:48:10 2016. own3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 01:06:13 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Cornell Park on Sat Jul 30 11:29:51 2016. GREAT POST! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 01:06:24 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 13:49:07 2016. own3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 31 01:06:33 2016, in response to Re: The BQE was a mess on Saturday night after midnight, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 22:53:53 2016. Exactly! |
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