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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016 Trump just asked Russia to release classified information for the purpose of undermining his opponent in a presidential election. NYT. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 12:22:34 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. Looks like you are utterly unfamiliar with Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution. Clause 1:Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.So, not only is it not determined that Russia is an explicit full-time enemy (they warned us about the Tsarnayevs, FCOL), but seeking to expose treason is treason?? Seriously? Are you calling Hillary the Queen and Sovereign of the USA? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:31:17 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 12:22:34 2016. Obama and Iran. And they are our explicit full-time enemies. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:32:37 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 12:22:34 2016. The Left of today are becoming more like the McCarthyites of old. A new Red Scare and shouting Treason. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 12:34:53 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:32:37 2016. The "McCarthyites" are seen today only as the Left portrays them.I was reading The Conscience of a Conservative a couple of days ago (the Goldwater/Bozell Junior book) and what the federal government was up to back in those days is no different from how they are today; the book described them back then as a "leviathan". |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:35:18 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. Why do you make a very strong statement that isn't made by the article itself? And you don't even list your reasoning! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 27 12:46:07 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. Wrong. Hillary said that the missing emails were about yoga and wedding plans. Are those things now classified? Stop being so whiney. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 12:47:09 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 27 12:46:07 2016. He's being treasonous himself. He just declared Hillary the sovereign of the USA instead of the people. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:47:55 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:35:18 2016. Soliciting the help of a foreign power for political gain is acting against the interests of the United States and the Democratic process. As the Jonathan Pollard case illustrated, betraying one's country, even on behalf of an ally, is criminal. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:51:50 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:47:55 2016. That is not treason. Obama's long secret talks with Iran, our sworn (and still enemy) is another matter. And yes, the Constitution contemplates that the President can commit treason. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 12:53:06 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:51:50 2016. So by your logic, enemies can only make peace after war and unconditional surrender? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 12:54:40 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:51:50 2016. Trump isn't president. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:55:53 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. "Trump is encouraging espionage". |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jul 27 12:59:59 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:47:55 2016. Soliciting the help of a foreign power for political gain is acting against the interests of the United States and the Democratic processSo, I assume by this logic that soliciting foreign governments to contribute to a foundation that you run and then make distributions from would also be treason? Especially if those distributions are made for your political (or, personal) gain? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 13:04:40 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by Charles G on Wed Jul 27 12:59:59 2016. Not if your position at said foundation included fundraising as part of a job description.When one is working as a fundraiser, the job includes raising funds. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 13:08:11 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:32:37 2016. Who in a position of power comparable to the power McCarthy had is calling Trump's action treason?JayZ doesn't run a powerful Congressional committee, last I heard. So let's cut to the chase. Do you think Trump's statement is OK? That's the real point. It's a highly inappropriate statement for a presidential candidate to make. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 13:09:26 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:55:53 2016. "Clinton team says Trump is encouraging Russian espionage" |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 13:13:48 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:47:55 2016. Soliciting the help of a foreign power for political gain is acting against the interests of the United States and the Democratic processYou're exceptionally humorous today.
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 13:14:33 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 13:08:11 2016. It's treason if he is actually working with the Russians. We need evidence to that effect, beyond the bloviating of a known liar. We do know he has business ties with their oligarchs, which is equivalent to their government. It is surely possible, but is it happening? Not only do they need to investigate that campaign, but his businesses as well. We alrady have evidence of one utilizing the other, both reported and not. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 13:17:06 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 13:14:33 2016. Separate from the Trump discussion, the oligarchs are no longer equivalent to the government. Putin has seen to that. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 13:18:23 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 13:13:48 2016. +5 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 14:00:54 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 27 12:35:18 2016. It's not a supported conclusion. But look at these words:Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing He hopes that a foreign power will engage in espionage against the United States. This is not a crime, but in my mind it is outrageous. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:03:07 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 13:09:26 2016. That he is. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:04:52 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 13:17:06 2016. ROTFLMAO!!!!! |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:07:04 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 14:00:54 2016. IMO, it's reason to investigate if there's more to it. We do know there's business ties to Russian oligarchs. Is there more? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 14:08:01 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:03:07 2016. I know bytes are valuable, but I think Nathan can type the full headline. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 14:08:51 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:07:04 2016. Maybe Hillary's missing emails are worth investigating too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 14:38:33 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:07:04 2016. That's a stretch. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 27 14:50:27 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 14:00:54 2016. Right. But my point stands, as you agree. JayZeeBMT made an unsupported statement that disagrees with just about all logic. And I've pointed that out, as have others.And just before this he accused me of ridiculing his writing. Does he consider this ridiculing? Because it is not. It is only pointing out the obvious. Maybe he should refrain from making unsupported conclusions? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 27 14:51:38 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:47:55 2016. You still haven't shown how this meets the criminal definition of treason. That's what we're all waiting for. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Jul 27 15:31:36 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 14:00:54 2016. His statement shows an extreme amount of poor judgement (just like Clinton's private e-mail server).He's officially lost the better judgement card. He hasn't committed a crime here though. There's a lot of smoke to the Trump / Russia / Putin connection though. Something tells me that Paul Manafort may be the fire. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 15:36:28 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by TonyG on Wed Jul 27 15:31:36 2016. just like Clinton's private e-mail serverClinton signed on to a sloppy culture and State and didn't make any effort to change it. Trump is going out of his way to propose outrages that no one has ever previously thought to mention in public. |
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Posted by TonyG on Wed Jul 27 15:37:26 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 15:36:28 2016. And it's working for Trump.The race is a virtual dead heat and Trump has done everything one is not supposed to do in politics. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 16:41:56 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 14:08:51 2016. If they couldn't be recovered by now they likely can't be. They've been at that long enough to get them or not. I could care less about the fish course at Chelseas wedding, or what time yoga class was rescheduled for. Get real. We have a dangerous megalomaniac running for president, what time a former SoS got her hair done is meaningless, and WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 16:43:45 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 14:38:33 2016. I wouldn't say that. Does bear nvestigating. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Jul 27 16:47:53 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 16:41:56 2016. What are you so afraid to find out, porky? |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Jul 27 16:50:15 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 14:04:52 2016. Can you still roll on the floor? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 16:52:29 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Jul 27 16:47:53 2016. Why not trying to ask porky? He's there in your mirror. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 27 18:49:55 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:55:53 2016. Your histrionics are so typically whiney. I heard the comment that Trump made. He did not do what you are snivelling about. He said, in essence, that if the Russ Russians did hack the systems, maybe they can produce the 33,000 missing emails. That is hardly what you are claiming.What he did do is bait a trapband Hillary stuck her hoof right into it. If the e-mails were just about yoga and wedding plans, how can Clinton claim it's espionage. If it's espionage then she lied about the content of the e-mails. Secondly, the stuntvwas pure Trump genius. Bill Clinton makes that passion filled speech about his wife and with just a few words from Donald Trump, no one is talking about bill Clinton or his speech. PWN3D |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 27 19:03:12 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. He must be immediately arrested. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 27 19:09:08 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 12:51:50 2016. Public meetings by our diplomats with their Iranian counterparts in Geneva are secret?I guess Reagan committed Treason when he and Gorbachev negotiated arms control agreements. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 19:13:22 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 27 19:09:08 2016. No, it's only treason if a Democrat does it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 19:29:25 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 27 19:03:12 2016. Agreed. At, minimum, a show stopping investigation of his ties to the Russian oligarchy, given these events. Who paid these hackers to do this (paid (in Russian currency) commercial services and software were utilized to accomplish this hack)??? There's some serious questions to be answered here. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 19:44:33 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 16:41:56 2016. So you're back to the Nothing To See Folks argument. And her server wasn't hacked. But Putin hacked her server which wasn't hacked to help Trump get her 30,000 emails which say nothing at all.Aren't you getting dizzy? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 20:04:38 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason, posted by SLRT on Wed Jul 27 19:44:33 2016. Putin hacked the STATE DEPARTMENT SERVER. Ah, if only your echo chamber wasn't powered by idiots.http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/state-department-hack-worst-ever/ |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 27 20:58:58 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 27 13:14:33 2016. He tweeted this morning that he has ZERO business dealings with Russia. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 27 21:05:02 2016, in response to Trump Commits Treason, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Jul 27 12:08:58 2016. I hope you realize that his statement was sarcasm. The only problem is that the rest of the country doesn't share the New York sharp sarcasm that he has. Which is WHY he mentioned "let's see if THAT happens" afterward. I'm NOT defending it. It was stupid and *I* would never say that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:08:28 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 27 20:58:58 2016. LOL!http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 27 21:23:29 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:08:28 2016. Well, that's what he said!! (It's a shame that you can't feel sarcasm over the Internet) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:32:26 2016, in response to Re: Trump Commits Treason?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 27 21:23:29 2016. I usually add a ':)' at the end, but that doesn't help either. (grin) |
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