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[ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 10:26:36 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. Good article. Some people are f***ing idiots.$15 minimum wage my ass. If the Republicans were still the party of success and not the party of fear, I'd vote for them. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 11:26:09 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 10:26:36 2016. Good article. Some people are f***ing idiots.$15 minimum wage my ass. If the Republicans were still the party of success and not the party of fear, I'd vote for them. Sign of the times ? Let's see here, employees lose jobs and go on welfare rolls. Viable establishments no longer generating business and sales tax, will cease to exist. Like I stated in the OP, what about the "mom and pop" businesses. Watch what happens when the $15 minimum wage kicks in. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Jul 23 12:22:27 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. Ate there a few times when I was in the neighborhood. Stinks it has to end like this. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 12:41:16 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 10:26:36 2016. The owner is lying. The minimum wage for his workers has gone from $9 to $10.50.That doesn't require raising the price of a hamburger from $6.50 to $9.00. It doesn't take 1+ person-hours to produce a burger. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 12:44:40 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 12:41:16 2016. Diners have been a dying breed for years now. People prefer the drive-thru and things other diner fare. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 14:14:07 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 11:26:09 2016. "Watch what happens when the $15 minimum wage kicks in."Indeed: $12.50 Happy Meals at McDs $13.00 Whopper Meal Entre's at medium sized restaurants will start at $22.00 (up from $14-18). More small restaurants will close. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 14:15:08 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 14:14:07 2016. The Whopper meal at BKs. A Big Mac Meal at McDs will be $13.75. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 14:33:39 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 14:14:07 2016. You have a massive misconception, like so many other people, about how many person-hours it takes to produce a meal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:07:36 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 12:41:16 2016. I agree with that. However I still think that a $15 minimum wage is excessive. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:27:56 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:07:36 2016. Eh. We're talking $15 for small employers in NYC in 2020, not today. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:42:00 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:27:56 2016. Some people want it now. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:42:06 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:07:36 2016. Tell ya what...try to live on a $15/hr. wage for a month, WITHOUT going into your savings or credit cards. Do it JUST on the roughly $500/wk paycheck you'd get after taxes for 35 hours. NO cutting corners. You have to pay all your bills at their current levels. No begging your landlord (or the bank, if you have a mortgage) for extra time. No skimping on meals. No selling MetroCard swipes...You'll discover reality very quickly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:43:10 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:42:06 2016. Appeal to pity is a fallacy. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:44:54 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:43:10 2016. Who did anything about "pity"?I'm just pointing out that even $15 as a minimum wage isn't nearly enough to survive on, especially if you live in a big city. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:49:13 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:27:56 2016. But business owners are figuring the $15/hour wage into their future plans now. The $15/hour wage will cause many more restaurants and other food-related businesses to close. You cant pay someone $31200/year to hand out cheese danishes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:49:59 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:44:54 2016. It's pity because your argument is based on the fact that I would pity the people who suffer from low wages. I do, but that doesn't make me support a higher minimum wage.If you can't afford to live in a big city, don't. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:52:58 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:43:10 2016. Yes and no.The miserable lives of some of our citizens have ramifications for the economy as a whole. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:54:49 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 15:42:06 2016. You're right but fast food jobs were not meant to support families. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:55:55 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:49:13 2016. Why would you close a profitable business now if it was going to be unprofitable in 4 years?The owner has some other reason for closing that he doesn't want to admit. And even a $15 minimum wage isn't going to cause such a price increase. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 23 17:16:52 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:49:13 2016. I could retire today and the State of New York would pay me $40,000/year to do nothing. Why shouldn't someone who works for a living make $31,200? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sat Jul 23 17:20:00 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 15:55:55 2016. This Brooklyn Eagle article about Del Rio says there were several factors behind the closing, most importantly the change in eating habits and change in clientele. No mention of who owns the diner property and whether anyone was interested in building on the property.Del Rio |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 17:24:54 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 23 17:16:52 2016. Because you earned that. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 18:00:53 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 17:24:54 2016. People who "work for a living" also earn their money, no matter how meager their wages are. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 18:14:25 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 14:33:39 2016. Those are exactly the "facts" that Fox News and others are reporting to them. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 18:15:56 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sat Jul 23 15:54:49 2016. But that IS the "service economy" that Reagan and those who followed have been selling us. People ARE expected to live on that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 19:16:35 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 23 18:00:53 2016. Yes, they do. I never said they didn't. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 20:30:37 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 14:33:39 2016. And you are not taking into consideration the additional costs that go into the price of a meal:Rent of the store Utilities (gas/water/electric) Franchise fees (if it is part of a chain) Cost of supplies Cost of raw food Cost/Salaries of ALL the people who work at that restaurant The amount of profit the owner/franchisee wants to (or at least hopes to) make. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 21:08:39 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 20:30:37 2016. And you are not taking into consideration the additional costs that go into the price of a meal:I am indeed. Those don't go up when the minimum wage goes up. That was exactly my point. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 23 21:20:50 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. @ years ago, the Americana diner on 65 and 7 went, now the Del Rio. Yet ANOTHER diner of my life gone. THANKS Looney Libs! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Jul 23 21:46:01 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. If the Diarrheo is closing because of the minimum wage law, how is he keeping the Vegas going? Does the law only apply east of the Culver line? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sat Jul 23 22:14:34 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sat Jul 23 21:46:01 2016. El Dreco diner in Sheepshead Bay was recently demolished after the owners received a cool $13 million for the property.El Dreco |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 22:48:13 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 23 21:20:50 2016. When was the last time you did business with them? That's the reason diners all over America are folding, even in no minimum wage states. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 23:43:55 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by heypaul on Sat Jul 23 22:14:34 2016. Sounds like ghost cities have migrated from China to the US. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 24 00:00:21 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by heypaul on Sat Jul 23 22:14:34 2016. Of course prices are lower down there. In a couple of decades, it'll be beachfront. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 24 01:18:06 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 19:16:35 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 24 01:18:56 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 23 15:49:59 2016. pwn3d |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jul 24 07:45:34 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 22:48:13 2016. About 2 months ago. Diners are a dying breed. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 08:23:08 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 23 21:20:50 2016. THANKS Looney Libs!A raise in the minimum wage from $9 to $10.50 simply does not require the increase in the price of a hamburger from $6.50 to $9.00. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 08:26:17 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 24 01:18:56 2016. No. Simply differences in opinion as to how the economy should be regulated. Both views are valid. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 24 09:04:57 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 08:26:17 2016. Yes. He pwn3d him about one aspect. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 24 09:40:03 2016, in response to [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jul 23 10:20:51 2016. That's pretty interesting considering that the current minimum wage in NYC is $9/hr |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 24 09:43:01 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 23 14:14:07 2016. Because as we all know, the labor costs of McDonald's minimum wage workers constitute 100% of McDonald's expenses.Everything else is free. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jul 24 09:57:44 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 23 12:41:16 2016. The owner is lying. The minimum wage for his workers has gone from $9 to $10.50.The owner didn't say $15. Those were the Post's own words. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 10:05:06 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $9 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 24 09:40:03 2016. Don't be a smartass. Never mind ignorant. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:05:49 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jul 24 09:57:44 2016. It doesn't matter. The rise in the minimum wage can't possibly justify increasing the price of a hamburger from $6.50 to $9.00. He clearly has another reason for closing down his business, unless he is severely arithmetically challenged, in which case it's amazing he didn't go out of business long ago. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:07:00 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 24 10:05:06 2016. Right. He's closing his business now because it's going to $15 in 2020. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jul 24 10:18:42 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by heypaul on Sat Jul 23 17:20:00 2016. Since at least 2005 the DelRio property is owned by the 'ROMISTON REALTY CORP.' according to public records. Current NYC property taxes $36,549/year. Zoned R6B which should allow for a substantial apartment building. Romiston also owns Brooklyn properties at 1616 85 STREET and1619 86 STREET. I always thought Roll-N-Roaster would be gone by now as the property on Emmons Avenue is worth millions. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:27:03 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by Dan on Sun Jul 24 10:18:42 2016. But it's so much better to say that you're closing your diner because of the increase in the minimum wage than to say you're closing it because you can sell your property for a bundle. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jul 24 12:07:29 2016, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $15 minimum wage shutters old-school Brooklyn diner, posted by AlM on Sun Jul 24 10:05:49 2016. He clearly has another reason for closing down his business, unless he is severely arithmetically challenged, in which case it's amazing he didn't go out of business long ago.Other articles cite rising supply and labor costs in general, changing demographics and tastes, and two of the three partners being in their 80s. Also, he's not going out of business; he owns another diner at 86th Street and 15th Avenue. |
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