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'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016

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Here ya go kids ... flail over this. :)

'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

“Black Lives Matter” has become a mantra for people protesting police violence against African Americans.

It’s a hash tag, a popular t-shirt slogan and a movement that is loosely organized – by design.

Black Lives Matter was founded by three women who popularized the slogan during protests over the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin, an African-American teen who was shot by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Florida.

It has a website (BlackLivesMatter.com) and a network of chapters. But the idea is bigger than the organization.

Although the march where five Dallas police officers were fatally shot Thursday was organized by another group, news reports described it as a Black Lives Matters event.

“The convenient narrative has been for people, for the media to say, ‘Well, this was organized by Black Lives Matter',” said Tezlyn Figaro, a publicist for Next Generation Action Network, the group that organized the event. The rally "had no affiliation with Black Lives Matter."

The confusion flows in part from the decentralized structure of the Black Lives Matter organization and its founders’ desire that it remain open and inclusive.

“Not everyone who shows up at a demonstration is a full-fledged member of BLM, (but) they’re welcomed and encouraged to participate,” Melina Abdullah, a representative of the group’s Los Angeles chapter, said in a conversation with Reuters in June.

During the standoff with police negotiators Thursday, the shooter invoked the slogan, saying he was "upset about black lives matter," according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.

The organization disavowed the violence in a post on its web page.

“This is a tragedy - both for those who have been impacted by yesterday's attack and for our democracy,” it said.

“There are some who would use these events to stifle a movement for change and quicken the demise of a vibrant discourse on the human rights of Black Americans. We should reject all of this. Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it.”

That didn’t stop a wave of social media criticism attempting to tie the violence to the movement. But U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, speaking about the demonstrations inspired by Black Lives and other groups, drew a bright line between the gunman’s actions and “lawful protest and protected speech.”

“Do not be discouraged by those who use your lawful actions as cover for their heinous violence," Lynch said Friday. "We will continue to safeguard your constitutional rights and to work with you in the difficult mission of building a better nation and a brighter future.”

Some said the best way to define the movement is by continuing to push a positive message. After a vigil Friday in Dallas for the slain officers, Richmond Bunch played “Amazing Grace” on his violin.

“We need to frame out a way to come back to peace,” said Bunch, 35, an African-American Dallas resident and Black Lives Matter contributor. “The guy who committed this act, he doesn't stand for what America is.”

(Additional reporting by Ruthy Munoz in Washington, and Ernest Scheyder and Marice Richter in Dallas. Editing by Jason Szep and Lisa Girion)

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Congrats to the republicans though - we don't have to worry about Muslims anymore - that horse has been buried. Meet your NEW scary because "Islamic terrorists" weren't enough for you to vote properly. And they probably live right down the street from you.

Meanwhile, those who the republicans protect are on the fire escape with your wide screen TV and your social security check laughing at you. :-\

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 9 02:39:35 2016, in response to 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016.

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Racist terrorist organization.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 02:48:16 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 9 02:39:35 2016.

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Yeah, that's gonna fix this. :(

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 03:02:50 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 02:48:16 2016.

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It's just a matter of finding a big enough broom and enough space under the rug. :-)

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 03:05:22 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 03:02:50 2016.

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And that's not getting us anywhere either, as the continuing stupid is only making it fester more. Positions on both sides are hardening, and we really need to back off on all sides and find something that works.

Cops are throwing up their hands and saying "fuck this shit" because they don't get paid enough to put up with it, citizens no longer have faith in the cops, and about the only outcome from continuing this is that civil war among us ALL that the republicans keep praying for. :(

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 9 03:27:50 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 03:05:22 2016.

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Lol

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Jul 9 06:51:26 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 03:05:22 2016.

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boilerplate of the inane. yeesh.

A ligner hert zikh zeineh ligen azoi lang ein biz er glaibt zikh alain.



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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 03:05:22 2016.

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It isn't just Republicans. On this issue Olog is correct. Liberal Democrats are also supporting this Civil War to enact social programs straight out of the Soviet Union, trample Second Amendment rights, etc.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by Dave on Sat Jul 9 07:19:05 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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Don't tell Selkirk it's not just Republicans. It doesn't fit in his narrative.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 9 07:24:02 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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Has it occurred to you that Philemon Castile was EXERCISING his Second Amendment rights when he was shot? Castile had a concealed carry permit, which a person must pass very stringent background checks and a police interview to obtain in Minnesota, he informed the cop who stopped him of this, and the fact that he was armed. This is exactly what the NRA recommends a person with a CCP do when stopped by the police. The cop asked Castile for his license and registration, and when he, Castile, went to retrieve those items, the cop shot him four times at point blank range, with a four year old child sitting in the back seat.

Even the Governor of Minnesota said this wouldn't have happened if Castile had been white.

"Liberal Democrats" didn't "trample" anything. "Second Amendment rights" seem to be reserved only for people of a certain complexion.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 9 08:10:11 2016, in response to 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016.

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Silly human. You know they're a pack of racists when they shout down the phrase "All lives matter". Never mind their open advocation of commie goals.

Congrats to the republicans though - we don't have to worry about Muslims anymore

Stupid partisan nonsense. The "republicans" didn't start this commie terror group—the Dems did, and it shows via Obama meeting with them at the WH and told them to go beyond "yelling".

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 9 08:15:02 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 9 02:39:35 2016.

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Antisemitic too. You saw the thread where they are in cahoots with the "Palestinians".

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 9 08:28:47 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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So what does one think the goals of a terrorist group that has people chanting "Pigs in a blanket; fry 'em like bacon" and "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!" can be??

Any politician that supports these evil people ought to be treated like political kryptonite.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 9 08:40:19 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 9 07:24:02 2016.

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PHILANDO. This is at least the second time you are misspelling his name.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat Jul 9 08:50:55 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 9 08:40:19 2016.

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You'd think that a "journalist" would at least get spelling right even if he doesn't do well with facts.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 9 09:55:00 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 9 08:15:02 2016.

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Yes I sure did.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 9 09:55:16 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 9 08:10:11 2016.

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iawtlp

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 9 10:50:37 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 9 08:40:19 2016.

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The phone keeps correcting it to Philemon for some reason. I did miss that twice.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 9 12:18:37 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 9 02:39:35 2016.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement described accurately

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 9 12:43:09 2016, in response to 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016.

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By me last week.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 9 13:27:17 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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enact social programs straight out of the Soviet Union

Like which ones? I hope you're not talking about the ACA, which is pretty far from Communism.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 9 19:54:56 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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Except that in this case of Philandro Castile the officer involved in the shooting explicitly states he reacted to the gun. You've stated in the past that the officer's statement is to be believed, so in this case where the officer's statement is a clear argument against civilian firearms proliferation why do you hold a double standard?

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Jul 9 22:03:09 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 9 19:54:56 2016.

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Actually, from what was reported today, the officer viewed the gun out of its holster, on the driver's lap. He ordered the driver not to move and the driver failed to comply. I make no judgement as to whether this shooting was justified given those circumstances.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 9 23:21:22 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by MTK52983 on Sat Jul 9 06:55:07 2016.

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This is what I've heard as well. The Righty conspiracy theorists believe that BHO WANTS war in the streets so he can suspend the elections under Martial Law and continue as President.

Of course that's crazy talk!!

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 9 23:25:37 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 9 07:24:02 2016.

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But the governor was just stating his opinion, nothing factual. I agree that he did do what the NRA recommends, up until the point where after he told the cop that he has a gun and had the license, the cop told him to keep his hands where he can see them, but Castile went for the glove box anyway. Still, bad judgment call on the cop this time, as if there's no gun in his hand, there's NO reason to shoot him.

BUT, to think that the cop, who's an indian, shot him BECAUSE he was black as opposed to his actions, is insane!!

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 9 23:36:52 2016, in response to 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016.

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It's a convenient name for a group of lawless thugs.

I'm sure Dr. King would have been very proud of BLM. I'm sure he would condone their methods. Too bad these folks don't listen to their own heroes.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 00:06:12 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by R2Chinatown on Sat Jul 9 22:03:09 2016.

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Once the truth comes out, egg goes on the left's faces automatically.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 10 00:16:19 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 00:06:12 2016.

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Actually it appears that a week earlier in Fresno, CA. an unarmed white 19 year old was "executed by Fresno police.
No national media coverage
Little local media coverage
Not a comment by JayZeeJournalist.
Not a comment by Bingbong
No commnt by Loretta Lynch
No comment by Barack Obama

So I guess it muss be true that black lives matter more than white lives to this president and to liberals. Just ask Dylan Noble.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 00:21:57 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 10 00:16:19 2016.

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source ?

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 10 00:27:21 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 00:21:57 2016.

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Google Dylan Noble
LA Times

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 00:30:03 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 9 23:36:52 2016.

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Methods such as Montgomery, Alabama? Like this?



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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:06:03 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 10 00:16:19 2016.

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Black Lies Matter already said they want a war. All over a pack of lies too.

But that's been the left's cause for 168 years thus far, to throw the world into chaos and war over the opposite of the truth.

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Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:15:58 2016, in response to 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 9 01:58:08 2016.

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Cable News Network

African-American professor Carol Swain slams Black Lives Matter

By Daniella Diaz, CNN
Updated 3:21 PM ET, Sat July 9, 2016
Carol Swain, a conservative African-American professor, slammed the Black Lives Matter movement Saturday, calling it a "very destructive force" in America.

CNN's Michael Smerconish asked Swain, along with civil rights attorney Areva Martin, to comment on the conservative website Drudge Report's decision to lead the homepage with the title "Black Lives Kill" following the shooting of police officers in Dallas. The headline was quickly pulled down.

"Is this the end of the Black Lives Matter movement?" Smerconish asked.

"I certainly hope so," Swain, a law professor at Vanderbilt University, responded on CNN's "Smerconish." "Because I believe that it's been a very destructive force in America, and I urge all of your viewers to go to that website and look at what they're really about. It's a Marxist organization all about black liberation. It's not really addressing the real problems affecting African-Americans and so it's problematic, it's misleading black people, it needs to go."

Martin, who supports the movement, jumped on Swain's remarks.

"That is absolutely ridiculous," she said. "Black Lives Matter has done more to move the needle on reforms in the criminal justice system than elected officials and community leaders all over this country."

Smerconish asked Swain if she was dismissing the movement because of the Dallas shooter or if she's "looked at what the group purports to stand for itself and you don't like what you see."

"No, I don't like what I see. It's pure Marxism. It talks about state violence, genocide. All of those are buzzwords that are quite destructive," the professor responded.

"We need to look at the credibility of the witnesses, we need to not rush to judgment, and I find the media, they're putting too much focus on the videos before we have the facts," Swain added.

Swain's comments quickly sparked criticism.

Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, wrote on Twitter, "I cannot (can) believe that Prof Carol Swain is on @CNN justifying the killing of both Sterling & Castile & for an "end" to BlackLivesMatter."

Swain responded to the backlash on Facebook, writing, "I spent a lot of time praying for wisdom and discernment before today's @CNN interview. I understand the Black community is in a grave situation and they are being exploited and manipulated by the liberal left. Truth and a return to God will help liberate blacks."‬


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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:19:59 2016, in response to Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:15:58 2016.

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Wow ... can't wait to see Allen West's take on all this. :)

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 01:32:28 2016, in response to Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:15:58 2016.

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#blm is ugly LOUD black masculine females who will never be loved. They are invisible to society when not rallying while too many black men would rather be with a PAWG.

Its just a way for the least desirable women to feel value.

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 01:34:16 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 01:32:28 2016.

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PAWG ????

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:37:01 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 01:32:28 2016.

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#blm is ugly LOUD black masculine females who will never be loved

Only a percentage. Do they realize what they are inviting upon themselves by calling for war?

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:45:24 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 01:34:16 2016.

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Phat Ass White Girl. Ain't he a hoot? :)

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:47:27 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:37:01 2016.

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Sounds more like "challenge accepted" after all the shit you and your friends have been talking for the past 8 years. You should get busy packing your rounds, brah ... all that "race war" y'all have been working on just might be coming to your own personal Baghdad, PA. :)

Clearly what we have here is a chance to stop the madness ... but you right wing assholes seem to really want to bring it on.

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 01:51:24 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:45:24 2016.

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omg

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:52:32 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 10 01:51:24 2016.

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You'd think after this past week that some would step off and think. Nope. :(

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 02:07:22 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 10 01:37:01 2016.

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They have nothing to lose. They are at the bottom.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 10 02:19:02 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 9 23:25:37 2016.

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That's the cop's version of events, which is beneficial to him.

I'm wondering, if this version is true, and Castile had the gun in his lap, why would he be reaching for a weapon in the glove box? His girlfriend has repeatedly said, on and off the video, that Castile was complying with the cop's demand for Castile's papers.

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Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 10 02:22:42 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lies Matter': a movement that defies definition?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 10 00:16:19 2016.

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Noble flailed his arms. He was resisting arrest. The video doesn't show everything. The cops feared for their lives. He was a criminal, and therefore had it coming. He didn't immediately comply with police commands.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jul 10 02:26:14 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 00:30:03 2016.

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Yes, peaceful demonstrations.

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Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America'

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Jul 10 02:28:30 2016, in response to Re: Prof. Carol Swain: 'Black Lives Matter' is 'pure Marxism', a 'very destructive force in America', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 01:19:59 2016.

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Of course you don't like Allen West.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 02:30:25 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 10 02:19:02 2016.

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PAWG

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 02:37:07 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 10 02:19:02 2016.

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Let me play devil's advocate here since I've actually taken some police training years ago. Most cops are ex-military, most having separated from the armed forces after dealing with guerrilla tactics "over there."

A cop's biggest blood pressure builder is when a motorist reaches for the glove compartment because that's where most illicit weapons are stored. The enemy often created a diversion by showing a weapon in an inert location where the soldier/cop could see it in plain sight. That would relax them. Then suddenly, the perp would whip out a gun from the glove compartment and put a bullet in their head. It's called "a diversion."

I have no idea of what went down and what caused it, but if he was looking at the cop while reaching for his papers, that's the number one "you've been killed" worry. If instead, the motorist focused his vision on the glove compartment and WASN'T looking at the cop, that's more of an "at ease" situation. Follow the thinking?

No matter WHO you are, if you're going to reach for anything instead of keeping your hands in place, you first fully inform the officer of your intention to do that reach, tell them what you're going to do, and stop looking at them. Looking at them tells the cop that you're waiting for an opportunity to do them in and watching and waiting for it.

Bingbong mentioned Jim Eagen's book in another thread. That's just one of many bits of how to calm down "Officer Neckvein" in a stop. Domestic violence calls are the #2 risk of a bad day, motor stops are the #1 risk of a cop getting shot.

That all said, I have no idea of what went down, but if the victim was watching the cop instead of looking at where he was reaching, AND the cop lost sight of his hand, that's part of the "shoot or don't shoot" training, and I took it a couple of decades ago. All the perps in that training were white.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 02:39:03 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 02:37:07 2016.

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And forgot the MOST IMPORTANT part of what to do, and what NOT to do. You don't tell them what you're going to do, you ask if it's OK and you explain exactly what you're going to do and get permission to do it first. Otherwise, keep your hands where they are until it's OK to go do what you were planning on.

Cops want to go home too.

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Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 10 02:39:48 2016, in response to Re: 'Black Lives Matter': a movement that defies definition, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 10 02:30:25 2016.

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Given your posts lately, sounds like you're trying to corner that market and ain't doing so well. :)

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