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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:42:51 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 9 20:40:47 2015. $11,300 - she wanted two zeros added to NYC's licensing fee |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:43:00 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 20:30:43 2015. Yes it is completely Constitutional. Pay as you go is as well. This is legal regulation of commerce. Using the funds for victims compesation and enforcement make it decent and wise. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:46:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:35:22 2015. Until the day comes when the government interferes in YOUR medical treatment?Fact is, everyone will grow old, and die. Being in your twenties (SIC) now means nothing in face of that fact. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:47:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:36:22 2015. It costs plenty when someone s shot. The other "examples" have zero equivalency. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:48:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:46:21 2015. Not in my twenties try again |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 9 20:49:53 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:35:22 2015. The substance of Roe v Wade flows from Justice Goldberg and Harlan's concurrences in Griswold rather than from Douglas' main opinion centered on "penumbras and emanations". |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:50:49 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:47:39 2015. They all can kill if in the wrong hands. Plenty of equivalency except one (guns) has a constitutional amendment saying the right to keep and bear it shall not be infringed. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:52:00 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:38:30 2015. No equivalence. Get it? If someone throws a brick at you, you'll see them and be able to get out of is way. A knife requires similar, and typically even greater intimacy. You can be walking down a street innocently and be killed by a stray bullet, without even realizing what happened. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:52:14 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 20:39:20 2015. Dave, what did you think of Justice Scalia trying to turn us back to Plessy v. Ferguson today? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:53:43 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:52:00 2015. The same thing can happen with any potential weapon in the hands of a crazy. Isn't it past your bedtime - adults are trying to have a meaningful discussion here? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:56:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 9 20:40:47 2015. Its not the taking of a life prior to viability. After potential viability, abortions are only done for medical reasons involving the life and health of the mother.Guns only run up medical costs. Gun owners should be paying those, since they're causing them. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 9 20:59:45 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 20:39:20 2015. I'll be in Dallas on Saturday. Well, not really. I land late Friday and head off to see a long, lost friend from my UPT year down at Laughlin AFB. Said individual now resides in one of those wonderfully named, small crossroad towns in Texas called (I am not making this up) Cool which is located between Weatherford and Mineral Wells. Here are 10 of my favorite Texas towns subject to change without cause or public notice:1. Cool 2. Best 3. No Trees 4. Happy 5. Gun Barrel City 6. Dime Box 7. Cost 8. Dawn 9. Sunray 10. Telephone |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:10:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:52:00 2015. And if they're behind you when they throw the brick? or if it's an elderly person with limited eyesight and/or reflexes?I don't know if you're aware but you've become bat-shit crazy. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:11:23 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 9 20:59:45 2015. Cool is about an hour west of where I live. Have fun! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:11:55 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:52:14 2015. Scalia is a few fries short of a happy meal, IMO. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Dec 9 21:13:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:10:19 2015. STFUGGF |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:20:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:50:49 2015. A tax does not infringe a right. Only an outright ban does. SCOTUS has said so. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:21:41 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:48:58 2015. Do you comprehend what SIC means? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:22:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:20:40 2015. If that is so then you should have no problem to an equivalent tax on abortion |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:24:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:10:19 2015. No, I am quite aware of my complete rationality here. Are you aware that you have zero reading comprehension?An elderly person with limited eyesight is unlikely to successfully harm anyone with a brick. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:25:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 20:53:43 2015. It's far less likely to be lethal. Guns, however...... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:25:28 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:24:17 2015. Reading comprehension 101 - Dave is saying the elderly person is the victim |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:26:43 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:22:17 2015. There's no equivalence between the two. So yes, I would. One is a medical procedure. The other is a LETHAL weapn. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:27:09 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:25:20 2015. Life dies with every abortion. If abortion wasn't 100% fatal we would have more children who could be adopted rather than aborted |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:27:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:25:28 2015. That isn't clear. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:28:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:26:43 2015. One takes a life. The other may take a life. But sure let's ignore the definite destruction of life |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 9 21:32:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:28:17 2015. One takes fetal tissue, one may take a life. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 9 21:33:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 20:31:50 2015. Klutz. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:33:26 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:27:09 2015. You obviously have no clue as to what happens here. Nor do I see a point in getting to it. Adoption is NOT an "alternative", it is a lifetime of torture. I know women that were forced to give up a child to adoption. None are better for the experience.Then there's the next fact, that most women seeking abortions already have children and are not capable of caring properly for another. Tis is not an easy decision, nobody takes it lightly. You are falling for the RW hater propaganda surrounding it if you think otherwise. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:34:46 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 9 21:32:01 2015. Guns definitely take a life. At great cost. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:37:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:33:26 2015. Rape and incest okay, but if you choose to have consensual sex I should not have to foot the bill for your abortion |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:38:49 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:34:46 2015. I do not necessarily take a life whenever I shoot a gun. Perform an abortion a life always dies |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 9 21:41:24 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:38:49 2015. Every Ejaculation causes many more deaths. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:44:27 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:26:43 2015. Both involve the taking of a life. With the exception of therapeutic abortion to save the mother's life, calling it a "medical procedure" is the same as calling Nazi medical experiments on concentration camp victims "medical procedures." |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:47:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:27:21 2015. It was very clear. Stop dodging the issue that you've gone off the deep end. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 21:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:44:27 2015. That is bullshit. An embryo is not a human life. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 21:50:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:38:49 2015. Why is it that anti-abortionists always say "life" without qualification? I don't care about "life" in general. The other day I saw a (non-human) centipede in my house and I took its life. Life is not special. If you want me to care about a fetus, stop using the same word to refer to it as you would an insect. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:52:11 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:37:20 2015. By law you aren't. Why should I pay for your gun violence victim? BTW, they cost more. Much more. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:54:52 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:52:11 2015. But I do even if not taxed because my insurance company pays and then spreads the cost among all policy holders in the form of premiums |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:54:59 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:38:49 2015. No it doesn't. Until viability, a fetus is NOT a life in any real or legal sense, unless the *woman* involved says so. That's never going to be you...so it's not your place to make that determination. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:56:03 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 9 21:41:24 2015. Lulz. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:58:16 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:44:27 2015. Wrong. The only person qualified to make that call is the woman involved until the fetus is viable. That's the point where abortion is legal for medical reasons alone. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:59:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 21:47:19 2015. No it wasn't. And who in their right mind would try to take out an elderly person to begin with, and with a brick? Lulz at your argument. It's beyond ridiculous. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 22:00:34 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 21:54:52 2015. But you're a GCM. Or at least behaving as one today. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 22:01:16 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 21:47:28 2015. Depends upon whom you talk to. At the very least, it holds the potential for life.Shoot and kill a woman and her six-week old embryo, in 38 states in addition to killing the woman you'll probably be prosecuted for fetal homicide. Twenty-three of those states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 22:01:41 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 21:50:39 2015. Was it alive at the ime? Tsktsk. :-)Those things are pertly creepy. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 22:03:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 22:01:16 2015. Which is a foolish and pointless charge, on the books only for the purpose of criminalizing elective abortion. That's why that charge is rarely if ever seen. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 22:03:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 22:00:34 2015. Hardly. I would never own a gun, but my personal choice does not mean I have the right to legislate that others should do the same especially when doing so violates the Constitution |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 22:04:16 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 22:03:19 2015. Why not? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 22:04:26 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 21:54:59 2015. Until viability, a fetus is NOT a life in any real or legal senseWrong ONCE AGAIN Bingbong! Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws (although this doesn't apply to abortions). The states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 23 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"). In at least 23 of these states if you kill a fetus through any means other than an abortion, you'll be prosecuted for fetal homicide. |
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