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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 9 00:45:14 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 8 13:06:05 2015. bump |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 9 01:19:08 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 9 00:11:23 2015. Beer bottles? They didn't shoot each other up? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:02:33 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:10:03 2015. IAAWTP. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:04:05 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 8 13:58:34 2015. Pwned. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:05:59 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 13:16:23 2015. Serious pwnage! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:07:37 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:24:59 2015. I'm not at all paranoid.LOL! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:09:02 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 8 14:10:29 2015. What taxes are onerous? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:09:46 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 8 14:26:22 2015. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:22:38 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:46:39 2015. Among the first laws passed by the new government, gun control measures were significant in number.And what laws might that be? Point in fact: Why did the British General Thomas Gage dispatch Major John Pitcairn to Concord on the night of April 18, 1775? To seize powder, shot, and arms. On the morning of April the 19th, 50 to 60 militiamen met them at Lexington. He sure wasn't going there for a picnic or a tea party. Big mistake; he and his men were shot at all the way back to Boston. He started out with about one thousand men, but before he got back to Boston he had lost 273 men. This should tell anyone with the brains of a gnat what our forefathers thought of gun control; they were willing to start a war with the mightiest nation in the world at the time over this and other issues. Additional point in fact: Excluding the Second Amendment, it wasn't until 1927 that the Federal government passed legislation regulating guns. So...WABB! Stop posting your lies. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:32:22 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:42:47 2015. LOL!! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:33:08 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2Chinatown on Tue Dec 8 14:39:02 2015. Funny things, facts. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:35:10 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:09:02 2015. This one is pretty steep: 2.5% every single year |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:37:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:33:08 2015. Do you find that chart to be relevant to the discussion? If so, please post the evidence you have of causation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:07:49 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 8 14:12:58 2015. What if the judgment provides the violent GCM an out? They basically walk, while the victim of violence suffers the rest of their lives. What about the ones that get away with it? There's many, such as negligent parents whee their child shots another. Leaving a gun where kids can find it is negligence. Yet nobody actually seems to pay for these "accidents" and gun proliferate.The cost needs to be higher. Much higher. Onerously higher (much more than driving a car, which is now safer). Plus why should a victim of violence have to share a settlement with an attorney? They should receive the full value in compensation for what they went through. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:08:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:05:59 2015. You'e clueless. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:09:12 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:07:37 2015. Another in favor of the senseless slaughter of human beings? Figures. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:10:47 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 08:35:10 2015. They should tax guns like that. It would put an end to this bullshit pretty damn fast. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:10:52 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:42:47 2015. Your are one sick old woman. So now if someone disagrees with you, they lack humanity? Seriously, get yourself help. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:07:49 2015. What if the judgment provides the violent GCM an out? They basically walk, while the victim of violence suffers the rest of their lives. What about the ones that get away with it? There's many, such as negligent parents whee their child shots another. Leaving a gun where kids can find it is negligence. Yet nobody actually seems to pay for these "accidents" and gun proliferateAll this applies to automobile usage too. Many people "get away" with grossly negligient use of a motor vehicle. I have no problem with regulating guns more than they currently are. Your proposals have varied, so it's not clear to me exactly how onerously you want to regulate guns. But if you mean far more onerously than cars are regulated, that seems unreasonable. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:22:23 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 9 07:22:38 2015. http://www.tulprpc.org/attachments/File/Colonial_Firearms_regulation.pdfhttp://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1489&context=wmlr http://www.jstor.org/stable/744246?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Thee were plenty of laws regulating guns. Many were not kept in the home, but in a central location within the jurisdiction. Which in modernparlance would be a gun club, a secured location where owners could keep them safely and access as needed. But, I don't see too many issues with having a muzzle loaded rifle in the home. The average gCM could handle it just fine. No? You say? Well, maybe we ought to allow "Darwin" his say, after all, ou are in favor of gun carnage in American homes. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:24:28 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:10:52 2015. Seriously, you're the one in need of help. Being in favor of carnage in the homes and streets of America indicates a lack of mental health. Take your meds. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:27:39 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2Chinatown on Tue Dec 8 14:39:02 2015. Just shows how Congress has failed to act.playing to the NRA does not help keep the murder rate lower. Every other crime rate is down. T's just the guns.a black American gets elected and this third of the country goes nutz?Yes, guns are concentrated within a segment of society, like the noisy RW MiINORITY. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 09:31:20 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:22:23 2015. Breech-loading firearms already existed in the 18th century. The writers of the 2nd amendment would have known about them. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 09:31:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 8 14:42:47 2015. Oh, great, here we go, cue the violins...BTW,  |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:32:14 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:15:08 2015. Earlier in this thread I posted the points where controls on guns could work well. It's widely agreed that any or all of them would reduce the number of guns and therefore the plague of gun violence we are experiencing in this country. Add onerous taxation on gun ownership and we'd see declining violence rates rather quickly.None of them infringe on "rights". They all fall into the "well regulated" spectrum. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:33:38 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 09:31:20 2015. One still had to pack their own powder. Maybe we should outlaw prefab bullets. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:34:37 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:24:28 2015. You really have some deep seeded emotional issues. Really, posting here is certainly not helping. I can see you going completely off the reservation some time really soon. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:35:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:27:39 2015. Please, you should not be discussing this issue. You seem incapable of being rational on this subject. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:36:14 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 09:31:40 2015. "Legitimate sport" ROTFLMAO!Anything that gets guns out of circulation is fine. There are too damn many to begin with and WAY too many in the hands of inept, unstable people. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:37:30 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 09:31:40 2015. What country is this? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:38:52 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:34:37 2015. If anything I have an excsss of sanity. Sane people don't want all this killing. Sane people want gun ownership to be legal, safe and rare. If you don't hunt for food, if you don't live in a rural area, if ones work does not involve carrying quantities of valuables there's little need for one and great risk to INNOCENT people in having one. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:39:09 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:32:14 2015. It's widely agreed? Between you and Selkirk? We know why he has to agree with you but I think he's getting the short end of the stick? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:40:55 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:35:57 2015. Not wanting senseless slaughter of human lives isn't sensible? Maybe to you. The rest of us believe in leaving others to LIVE their lives without harming others guns do NOTHNG but harm. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:41:33 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:39:09 2015. The majority of Americans want nothing to do with guns. Can't you read? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 09:43:17 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:37:30 2015. Look in the lower-left corner. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:45:21 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:38:52 2015. As I said, your inability to see both sides of the argument is a sign of severe mental illness. Linking it to a person's compassion or humanity shows an intollerance that is pathological. You are like a radical Muslim who'd kill people who disagree with your "RELIGION". You are severely sick. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 9 09:46:53 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 09:31:40 2015. More like leftist proliferation is out of control all over the globe. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:47:09 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:41:33 2015. Hahaha. More of your sick delusion. Gun sales this year are at an all time high. Who do you think is buying them? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:48:40 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 9 09:43:17 2015. Aha, thanks. It's hard to reduce a gun crime rate that is already nearly zero. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 9 09:48:51 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:47:09 2015. If it really were all criminals, nobody would be able to walk the streets without trying to dodge a hail of gunfire. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:50:58 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:40:55 2015. So your plan is to take the guns from the honest, law abiding citizens who own guns for protection, sport or collecting. And then criminals will give up their guns because they will reject there former life of crime and return to goodness? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 09:53:09 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:41:33 2015. Then you do not have to purchase a gun. The majority of Americans are not vegetarian, but they don't require those are vegetarian to eat meat. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 09:55:13 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 9 09:50:58 2015. It is all unicorns and rainbows in Bingbongtopia |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 10:22:01 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 09:48:40 2015. Message remains relevant for the USA, so there. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 10:27:00 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 09:41:33 2015. Stop repeating the talking points of the credibility-challenged NY Daily News, please. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 9 10:28:19 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 10:22:01 2015. No it doesn't.Banning handguns would be unconstitutional and so isn't even under discussion. Canadian solutions would gradually work here and still be consistent with the 2nd amendment. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 10:34:15 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 9 10:27:00 2015. Those are points I believe will help. Doing nothing will not. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 10:37:29 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 09:53:09 2015. Vegetarians don't kill innocent lives with food.Well, maybe quiona. :-) But that doesn't make guns less lethal. That's the problem....too many, too many owners that haven't a clue how to use them, too many not kept locked and unloaded... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 10:53:57 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 10:37:29 2015. There is nothing wrong with keeping a loaded, unlocked gun. The Supreme Court has said that such bans in the home are unconstitutional. The problem is not that the guns are loaded and unlocked, it is that people are careless in the operation of the gun and do not teach everyone in their house the proper respect for what a gun can do so how to handle it safely. A gun should never be in a place where it can be reached by someone who does not know how to properly handle it when it is loaded. A locked, unloaded gun is useless in home defense |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 9 11:08:18 2015, in response to Re: Gun Proliferation In The US Is Out Of Control, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 9 10:53:57 2015. There is PLENTY wrong with that. Loaded unlocked guns are the primary driver for gun "accidents" in the home. It is the primary driver for family members' suicides. It is complete, total negligence. N/or does it provide "protection".Unless one hunts for food, requires protection from wild animals(not a risk in population dense areas) , or the rare case where a gun is necessary for work related issues, there is simply no point to owning one., and there's plenty of risk. |
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