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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 10:13:55 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 10:08:14 2015.

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As much as I hate to say it, but I actually awtlp. Very well articulated.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sun Nov 8 15:37:48 2015.

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Fred,

American Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic because the Democratic Party platform aligns far more closely to Jewish religious values than the Republican Party. For example, the social programs that Democrats like to fund line up with a number of Jewish values and teachings. So does opening the doors to immigrants. Jews have often been an oppressed group within various societies over time and as a result, vote to support the downtrodden, even if we ourselves are not in that position today. And the reality is with a few exceptions, Democrats are still supportive of Israel; the two state solution is a necessity for Israeli interests (as well as American ones, though I've said before and will say again that Obama has certainly helped to make a mess of that neighborhood in recent years).

The GOP as it currently operates simply does not align itself with the values Jews care about most.

Lastly, many Jews vote as Americans who happen to be Jewish, rather than Jewish Americans. In other words, we vote to support the country we are living in, and whether or not that country supports Israel is not the primary factor in how we determine our vote. When I vote, the question I ask is how will this candidate (regardless of whether they have an R or a D after their name) help to further the interests of the United States, because that is the question we should all be asking as we vote.

Feel free to ask any followup questions, I'm happy to try answering them.


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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 13:34:11 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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LOL!

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 13:34:35 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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Excellent Post!

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 9 13:39:47 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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And yet was it not the Democrats and especially a very liberal democratic president who kept the Jews from coming to the US during the Holocaust?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:41:37 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 9 13:39:47 2015.

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Undeniably was.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 13:43:55 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 13:34:35 2015.

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It's funny. Would appeal to you.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:45:28 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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Outside of the statement about a "two state solution" I agree with this concise statement on the voting behavior of American Jews.

I do not believe a "two state solution" is capable of working in the current environment because while I believe Israel would hold up its end of the deal, I do not believe the other side would. Moreover, there is no workable solution for Jerusalem. The rest of Israel is highly segregated in terms of Arab neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods, etc. (sort of like Long Island, which is diverse as a whole but you have neighborhoods like Garden City which is 95% White, Christian next to 95% Black Hempstead) so you could in theory gerrymander some borders. I note that this is all a hypothetical exercise because the "Palestinians" only want one state and that that state has 0% Jews.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:46:24 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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"Feel free to ask any followup questions, I'm happy to try answering them."



How touching.


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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:47:48 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:45:28 2015.

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I note that this is all a hypothetical exercise because the "Palestinians" only want one state and that that state has 0% Jews.

And geographically, their "state" (really a province of a planned pan-Arab empire) would encompass all of the state of Israel, "from the (Jordan) River to the (Mediterranean) Sea" as the "Palestinians" always say.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:48:01 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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The democrats booed Israel at their 2012 convention.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:48:31 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 9 13:39:47 2015.

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The Democrats today were overwhelmingly Republican prior to 1964 and vice versa. For purposes of this post I am considering party affiliation by who they caucus with in order to avoid a protracted debate on INO's.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:49:56 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:48:01 2015.

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Yes. And they booed a certain deity of Israel.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:53:01 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:48:01 2015.

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The Republicans wholeheartedly supported calling a triple amputee, Bronze Star and Silver Star recipient from the Vietnam War unpatriotic. A small portion of any party does not represent every member of the party.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:53:27 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:45:28 2015.

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WOW! iaw the second paragraph of tlp.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:55:09 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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American Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic because the Democratic Party platform aligns far more closely to Jewish religious values than the Republican Party

It seems you are disconnected from Jewish religious values.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:56:01 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sun Nov 8 15:37:48 2015.

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please tell me why Jews still for the most part stick with the Democrats

Because most of the Jews are liberal. Religious Jews are sadly in the minority, but they do not vote Democratic.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:56:12 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 9 13:39:47 2015.

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Do you think a Republican president would have acted differently?

A Democratic president recognized the State of Israel 5 minutes after it declared itself to be independent.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:56:16 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:55:09 2015.

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iawtlp

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:56:53 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 8 23:01:06 2015.

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Even cowtow to Israel

Go back to Stormfront, antisemite.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:57:34 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:56:12 2015.

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That is true. Harry Truman was a good man.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:58:24 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:56:53 2015.

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Excellent post!

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 14:00:55 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:45:28 2015.

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I didn't say an independent Palestinian state has to be declared tomorrow. The current atmosphere is not right by any means, but that doesn't mean that Israelis and Jews should not be trying to create a situation where that can be achieved once it is appropriate to do so. And while they won't say it, my understanding is the Palestinians realize their capital is likely to be in Ramallah or Abu Dis, not Jerusalem, and that Jerusalem (including the Old City) will remain under Israeli control.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 14:03:04 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:56:16 2015.

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What would non-Jewish Olog-hai know about Jewish values? Don’t you see the hypocrisy here? You complain that goyim like bingbong don’t have the interests of the Jewish people at heart and you interrogate people to ask them if they’re Jewish as some sort of litmus test on whether someone can comment on topics related to Israel, but you do not extend the same standard to goyim who agree with you.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 14:03:35 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:55:09 2015.

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It seems you don't know what Jewish religious values actually are.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 14:06:45 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 14:00:55 2015.

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Not one inch of Judea and Samaria should go to so called palestinians.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 14:07:13 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:56:16 2015.

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You both need a refresher:

33'When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. 34'The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 14:07:23 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 14:00:55 2015.

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I don’t believe that the climate will be amenable to a so-called “two state solution” for generations to come. The status quo is unfortunately the only solution.

Jerusalem, including the Old City belongs under Israeli control. Jerusalem without the Old City is not Jerusalem. The division of Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich, was such a horror for European liberals and yet the separation of the most important city for the Jews is supposed to be the ultimate solution?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 14:08:44 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:57:34 2015.

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He wasn't perfect, especially when he fired MacArthur for wanting to counterattack against Red China after they attacked us first. That sowed the seeds for the defeat in Korea; Kim Il-sung should have spent his last days in a US military prison instead of as absolute monarch of North Korea (and so should have Mao, i.e. instead of being the absolute monarch of Red China that Nixon kowtowed to).

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 14:14:56 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:48:31 2015.

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The Democrats today were overwhelmingly Republican prior to 1964 and vice versa

Eh?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:27:05 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 13:48:31 2015.

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How can you say that. If we know one thing it's that the liberal policies of the current democrats have hurt minorities far more than they have helped. Same goes for the cities that they run.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 14:31:46 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:27:05 2015.

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The late Strom Thurmond and others like him were registered Democrats prior to 1964. After passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964 they became Republicans.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:33:01 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 14:31:46 2015.

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What about Robert Byrd? When did he become a Republican?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:36:53 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 14:31:46 2015.

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Actually wasn't Thurmond pushed out of the democrat party because of his support for the civil rights act of 1964?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 9 14:41:52 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:36:53 2015.

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Thurmond sustained the longest one-person filibuster in history in an attempt to block passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1957. He also opposed the measures in 1964 and 1965.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 9 15:23:46 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by R2Chinatown on Mon Nov 9 14:36:53 2015.

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This is the most insane post ever.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:49:42 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 13:31:53 2015.

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Not to mention the Republican insistence that this is a Christian Nation and that only Christians can be Real Americans.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:51:43 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:57:34 2015.

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Harry Truman was well to the left of Bernie Sanders.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:54:07 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Nov 9 14:03:35 2015.

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He doesn't know what Christian values are either.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 15:54:08 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:51:43 2015.

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In what way?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:56:11 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 13:58:24 2015.

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Stormfronters are proud of their race.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 16:00:31 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 9 13:56:53 2015.

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"Even cowtow to Israel"


And you have no problem with that statement?


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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 16:10:06 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:56:11 2015.

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1986

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:28:48 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:56:11 2015.

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Everybody should.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:29:15 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 16:10:06 2015.

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Is that the last timer you got laid?

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 18:31:54 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:29:15 2015.

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HAHAHA!!!

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 9 18:41:28 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:29:15 2015.

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I love it!!!

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:59:53 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:29:15 2015.

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Correction, last time.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Nov 9 19:37:45 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 9 15:51:43 2015.

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Yet he still signed off on the two atomic bombs used against Japan at the end of WWII. HST was certainly a very liberal President, but he understood the complexities of warfare, and statecraft. His adroit handling of the Berlin Airlift and firing of MacArthur (which kept the Korean War from expanding to Red China), underscore his strengths aa Chief Executive.

Not bad at all for a haberdasher.

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Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 9 21:14:57 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Supporters Are Idiots, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 9 18:29:15 2015.

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It's when your baby was aborted. LOL!

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