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Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015 SAN ANTONIO, Texas (Reuters) - A group called the Texas Nationalist Movement fanned out to 31 cities across Texas this weekend trying to gather the 75,000 signatures they say they need to get the question of the state's secession from the United States on the primary ballot next spring.Texas is one of only two U.S. states, the other being Hawaii, that were once internationally recognized sovereign nations, with diplomatic ties to other countries. Although legal experts said it would be unconstitutional for Texas to break away via a primary vote, there is still a spirit of Texas independence among many in the Lone Star State. "What we are seeing, over and over, is this complete disconnect between the people of Texas, what they want, and what is going on in Washington, D.C.," TNM President Daniel Miller told Reuters. "The people of Texas don't have anything against the United States, they are just tired of being governed by bureaucrats we didn't elect pushing programs we don't want." He compared Texas to Scotland, which narrowly defeated a proposal to secede from the United Kingdom last year, and Catalonia, which is pushing to hold a vote on independence from Spain this year. "We are living in the era of the right of political self-determination," Miller said. But there is one rather big problem, according to T. Gerald Treece, a professor at South Texas College of Law in Houston and an expert on Constitutional Law. "That problem is the Civil War," Treece said. "When Texas and the other Southern states were re-admitted, each of them made a solemn promise that they would never leave the Union again." Treece said there are some legislative options available to the Texas Nationalist Movement, short of another civil war. "You have to have the Texas Legislature initiate a request, and then you have to have the U.S. Congress approve it, and then it could happen," he said, adding that with 'two sovereigns involved,' both would have to give their assent. Many states have discussed leaving the Union over the last century, but the talk has been louder in Texas, with some Republicans, including former Governor Rick Perry, floating the idea of secession. Texas would certainly have the clout to become influential on the world stage as an independent nation, with a $1.4 trillion-a year-economy, about the same size as South Korea's. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 30 23:03:15 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:04:35 2015, in response to Re: Texaszzzz secessionists zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 30 23:03:15 2015. thats what they want Olog-hai !!!! |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 30 23:05:16 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. Damn! Now I want to move to Texas for long enough to vote "Yea" ... :) |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:06:31 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 30 23:05:16 2015. LOLROFL LOL |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Aug 30 23:11:20 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. LOL, one, it cant be done. The only thing LEGAL in the state constitution is a provision allows texas to break up into 6 smaller states. |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:11:52 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Aug 30 23:11:20 2015. iawtp |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 30 23:20:08 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:06:31 2015. I'll even help Trump build that wall once they're gone. :) |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 31 02:52:19 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 30 23:20:08 2015. haaaaaaaaaaa |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Aug 31 04:22:35 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. So where are they going to get the money to make up for all the federal tax revenue they receive now? I'm sure everyone will be thrilled to pay taxes that make European countries look cheap. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 04:44:52 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Aug 30 23:11:20 2015. That is a myth. First, it has nothing to do with the state Constitution, it was a provision in Texas' enabling act by Congress. Second, it allowed Texas to join as up to five states, it did not give Texas the future right to unilaterally split into multiple states. |
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Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 31 06:41:23 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 04:44:52 2015. Incorrect |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 07:09:49 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 31 06:41:23 2015. What Texas once could do is divide itself into as many as five states, a privilege given to it as a unique condition of its annexation to the Union in 1845.In 1820, the Missouri Compromise had helped save the United States from splitting along sectional lines by defining where slavery could exist in the territory gained in the Louisiana Purchase. Specifically, slavery could exist south of the 36°30'N line of latitude, and no further west than Missouri. The territory claimed by Texas extended further north and west than the Missouri Compromise lines (well into present-day New Mexico and Colorado). Any states north or west of the Missouri Compromise lines would be free; in the others, a popular vote would determine whether slavery could exist. In 1850, Southerners wanted to exercise the provision to create another slave state from Texas to balance the admission of California as a free state. In one of the provisions of the Compromise of 1850, Texas was instead given a payout of $10 million to give up its northern and western claims. A few years later, the Kansas-Nebraska Act repealed the Missouri Compromise and made the issue of the boundaries a moot point. Although in theory Texas could still be divided into multiple states, any possibility of carving additional states from Texas ended when the Civil War settled the question of slavery once and for all. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 31 07:47:27 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 07:09:49 2015. You're saying Spider-pig might be wrong, however slightly??? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Aug 31 09:46:47 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. Hmm, in the highly unlikely event that Texas does seceed, maybe this airline will return :) I suspect it wouldn't be flying the DC-9-15 though :) |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 10:04:41 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 31 07:47:27 2015. You said it, I didn't. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 31 11:32:44 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Aug 31 09:46:47 2015. LOLROFL |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 31 11:37:34 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. I hope their effort is successful. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 31 11:38:24 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Aug 31 09:46:47 2015. They'd have to take the American flag off. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Aug 31 07:47:27 2015. Nothing in his post contradicts mine. Even the part that says "Although in theory Texas could still be divided into multiple states, any possibility of carving additional states from Texas ended when the Civil War settled the question of slavery once and for all.”That part does not at all imply that such right is inherent in Texas. Any state could be split into multiple states with the approval of Congress. The question is whether Texas has the right to do so without any further Congressional approval and that is not the case. Note that as of 1912, thanks to the Texas Cession, the land formerly recognized as being part of Texas at its admission in 1845 does form parts of five states: The extant State of Texas and parts of New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma and Wyoming. That has nothing to do with it though, as all of those states were formed from federal territories established after Texas agreed to cede land in exchange for federal bonds. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 31 12:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by WillD on Mon Aug 31 04:22:35 2015. Lulz. That's not the half of it....All those American companies will leave, as will NASA the military (some huge bases down there, the military presence in the south going back to Reconstruction....we could use all those jobs up here), and all the government jobs will be gone. In an instant. They really should try this. Seriously. Upside is they'll have more water per capita. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 31 12:33:00 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2015. That part does not at all imply that such right is inherent in Texas. Any state could be split into multiple states with the approval of Congress. The question is whether Texas has the right to do so without any further Congressional approval and that is not the case.From the context, I believe(d) that he was referring to the provision in Texas' enabling act by Congress, which both of you were talking about. He said that in theory it could still be done after you said that it could not be done today. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 31 12:33:38 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 10:04:41 2015. I didn't say it either. I'm just seeking clarification of the apparent implication of your post. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Aug 31 13:50:34 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 31 11:38:24 2015. True, didn't even notice that. Replace with the Texas flag. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 31 16:08:37 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 11:50:35 2015. Congress approved the boundaries in Illinois and we don't follow that on the map today either.And then, I'll complete this post by muttering something irrelevant and pointless, but I see you've already visited that route. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 16:11:33 2015, in response to Re: Obama/Biden votes for Alaska and Hawaii to break away, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 31 16:08:37 2015. What the fuck are you babbling on about now? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:35:08 2015, in response to Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 30 23:00:50 2015. Besides Texas and hawaii, aren't you forgetting Vermont? It was a soverign country from 1777 until its admission into the Union in 1791. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 31 16:38:39 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:35:08 2015. okits bernie saunders area so he would know best |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 16:52:36 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:35:08 2015. No, he’s not. Vermont was not recognized as such by Congress. It was admitted as having formerly been part of New York. There was also an unrecognized California Republic. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 16:54:06 2015, in response to Re: Obama/Biden votes for Alaska and Hawaii to break away, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 31 16:08:37 2015. Start a new thread; this has nothing to do with the OP. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 31 17:57:12 2015, in response to Re: Texasss secessionists launch petition drive for vote to break away, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 31 11:37:34 2015. Analagous to the removal of east Ukraine, it would make the United States a more democratic nation. Which is why Republicans in Congress will sink it without a trace. |
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