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Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015 
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 11:07:26 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. And NYC's murder rate is about half of Houston's, and its gun laws are much more similar to Chicago's.Therefore you conclude what? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 29 11:22:31 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. NYC is far safer than Houston and has Strict Gun LawsYou lose. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 11:52:06 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. Here's a list of the 100 most dangerous neighborhoods (pop. > 25K) in the US. You will find that Houston ranks 68th. Chicago did not make it into the list. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 29 11:57:40 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. Must be getting colder in Texas. By the way, I have no idea where 1,806 came from. There were 523 homicides in Chicago in 2012 (443 involving guns); 442 in 2013 (363 involving guns); and 435 in 2013 (373 involving guns). There haven't even been 1,806 since 1/1/2012. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 12:20:24 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jul 29 11:57:40 2015. Hmm. Faking the data, eh?Good to bookmark for those who say Dave is almost always right. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 16:12:45 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 12:20:24 2015. Hey, I didn't create the chart! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 29 16:18:42 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. There you have it. Blame climate change |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 16:39:31 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 16:12:45 2015. But you posted it as if you believed it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 19:22:01 2015, in response to Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 10:57:57 2015. It's the large percentage of blacks in Chicago.Nearly 40%. If you can relocate them, reducing Chicago to about 20% black, crime would plummet there, and rise wherever they're relocated to. I'd also guess that Chicago would have more crime if not for the brutal winters. I'd also guess that there are places in AMerica where white population is high, like 90%, gun ownership is high, and crime low. So race has more to do with it than gun laws. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jul 29 19:43:02 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 19:22:01 2015. Did you see where SMAZ intentionally misspelled my handle? I posted something about the Lucchese crime family this afternoon. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 20:45:49 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 16:39:31 2015. Nooo...I posted it because it was interesting. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 29 21:43:46 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 20:45:49 2015. Bullshit isn't interesting. It's just bullshit. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 21:46:29 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 29 21:43:46 2015. Says the Master of slinging the Bull! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 22:10:27 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 11:07:26 2015. And NYC's murder rate is about half of Houston's, and its gun laws are much more similar to Chicago's.Therefore you conclude what? Abortion. More black babies are aborted than born in NYC. That certainly isn't hurting crime in NYC. I conclude demographics play a greater role than gun laws. NYC will worsen, but not be as bad as big cities like Chicago, or smaller cities like Camden. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 29 22:15:33 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by Dave on Wed Jul 29 21:46:29 2015. That should be "queen" of slinging bullshit. Master is henger specific. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 22:23:40 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 29 11:22:31 2015. NYC also had "Stop and Frisk" in place for years, and we'll see where NYC after a few years without it.NYC also has a high black abortion rate, which probably has helped. Gun laws don't matter to criminals. That's why they're criminals. They break laws--even gun laws. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Jul 30 00:43:40 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 12:20:24 2015. Dude, it was obviously a joke. Please tell me you knew that... |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Jul 30 00:44:09 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 16:39:31 2015. No he didn't. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 30 10:08:44 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 22:10:27 2015. Statistics prove that as the NYC white population declines, so does the crime rate. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jul 30 10:12:32 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Jul 29 22:15:33 2015. Depends upon the usage. If a women is the captain of a ship she's still its Master...not its Mistress! |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jul 30 10:13:06 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Jul 30 00:43:40 2015. Please stop confusing him with facts.... |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 11:32:59 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Jul 30 00:43:40 2015. I obviously knew the conclusion that cold weather causes crime was a joke. I did not think he was faking the data as part of the joke. RIPTA, Stephen, ClearAspect, Luch, and R2 also didn't acknowledge that he was faking the data as part of the joke. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 30 13:35:02 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 11:32:59 2015. I obviously knew the conclusion that cold weather causes crime was a joke.Good. I did not think he was faking the data as part of the joke.He wasn't faking anything. The data and conclusion are all part of the same image file, which I'm 99.99% sure was made by someone else. He just came across it and decided to post it. As I understand it, the joke is that if something doesn't go the liberals' way, they will make up a stupid excuse. Whether or not Chicago actually, in real life, has a "worse" crime rate than Houston is immaterial as it's all part of the joke. If Chicago didn't have a worse crime rate than Houston that the joke wouldn't make any sense. So of course it has to show it that way. Besides, who in the world trusts anything that is part of a sourceless internet graphic, never mind the fact that it is part of a sourceless internet JOKE graphic! I have in the past criticized others for posting something seemingly as fact without providing any commentary as to whether they believed it or not. In this case, the thing that was posted was clearly a joke, and I have no problem believing that Dave truly believes that a liberal makes ridiculous excuses sometimes. So there was no need for him to include a disclaimer that the data isn't, or at least may not be, true. Because 1) the data wasn't the main point, 2) it was clearly a joke, and 3) as I outlined above, no one should be taking any sourceless internet graphics seriously. RIPTA, Stephen, ClearAspect, Luch, and R2 also didn't acknowledge that he was faking the data as part of the joke.RIPTA didn't claim he was faking anything. He just pointed out that it was wrong. Which no one should be surprised about. Because, as I said, it was a joke and no one should be taking any sourceless internet graphics seriously. Stephen's link is using a different metric than just murder so it's not the same thing. Clearaspect is just offended that Dave was making liberals the butt of a joke so he tried to supply a real world counter argument. As for Luch and R2, I don't think anything needs to be said. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 14:38:19 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 30 13:35:02 2015. He wasn't faking anything.OK, I agree. He was using falsified data, and in fact data that a very quick Google search would have proved was falsified. This makes the joke a lot weaker than it would be if the data were actually correct. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Jul 30 16:35:51 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 30 13:35:02 2015. On the other hand, I made no comment on the data. I just continued the liberal joke narrative by blaming the crime on global warming. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 30 19:47:13 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 14:38:19 2015. I disagree complexly. He wasn't using falsified data. He posted a joke. How many jokes are based on true stories? Do you think a priest, a minister, and a rabbi all really walked into a bar together? I don't think the fact that the data is false diminishes the joke at all. It perpetuates a long standing opinion of liberals that some conservatives hold. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:20:13 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 30 10:08:44 2015. well IIRC hasn't the white population increased in the most recent census?And if whites are replaced with elements less likely to commit violent street crimes, like ASIANS!!!, Indians(from India for the trolls), etc.......it's not a bad situation. Thanks for trolling me SMAZZASUMMITMAN |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 30 20:21:46 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:20:13 2015. LuchAAA is baffled. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 20:24:28 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 30 19:47:13 2015. He wasn't using falsified data. He posted a joke.He did both. I don't think the fact that the data is false diminishes the joke at all. OK, I see your point. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:30:44 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 30 20:21:46 2015. you have not been posting as much.I figured you were competing at the Special Olympics. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 30 20:34:54 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:30:44 2015. Ha ha. Luch made a funny. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Jul 30 21:40:57 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:30:44 2015. The pragmatist is winning the LaGuardia Airport thread. He is educating us up on things like airfield management and urban planning and other stuff like that. I posted a couple things, realized I was getting defeated, and decided to cut my losses by leaving the thread altogether. I do not know who he is or where he came from but he is not to be messed with. That guy is scary. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 31 10:50:58 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 30 20:20:13 2015. well IIRC hasn't the white population increased in the most recent census? FALSE The rate of white people continues to drop. So does the rate of crime. As the rate in which white people keep dropping slows, the drop in the crime rate also slows. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 3 16:53:05 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 29 11:22:31 2015. NYC is far safer than Houston and has Strict Gun LawsAnd Connecticut and New Jersey also have strict gun laws, which is why NYC is safer than Chicago. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 3 16:59:17 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 12:20:24 2015. Hmm. Faking the data, eh?The math doesn't work, either. 1,806 homicides would be 66.9 per 100k, not 38.4. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:12:52 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 29 22:23:40 2015. Crime has been skyrocketing since the end of stop and frisk. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:13:26 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 3 16:53:05 2015. Chicago has stricter gun laws than NY, which is why Chicago is ultra-safer, with herds of unicorns. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:14:43 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 29 11:22:31 2015. If you are going to to compare NYC with a border city, can all the victims of crime in both cities riot in front and in your apartment in retaliation? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 17:15:10 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:12:52 2015. Correct. Stop and frisk hasn't ended. And crime hasn't been skyrocketing. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 3 17:18:10 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 17:15:10 2015. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but what does stop and frisk in NYC have to do with fake Chicago homicide stats? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 3 17:19:10 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:12:52 2015. Overall crime is down sir. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 3 17:19:50 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 17:14:43 2015. Houston is nowhere near the border. Can you try to make sense? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 20:18:02 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 3 17:19:50 2015. Oh, you're one of those who call Delaware and Arizona the deep south. Now I understand your wishful thinking fallacy. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 20:19:13 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 3 17:18:10 2015. You look for logic where A1M and Cleardistortion are posting. That could give you migranes if you try too hard. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 3 20:20:46 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 3 17:19:10 2015. Maybe in your universe and not in reality.Actually, can I be like you and just spout off how I wish things are? Gas is at $1.00/gallon here, did you know that? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 3 23:37:29 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 31 10:50:58 2015. Why is SMAZZA such a troll? Everyone knows the white population has increased. So has Asian. And I was clear that those groups won't increase crime.Love when you troll me. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/nyregion/census-estimates-show-another-increase-in-new-york-citys-non-hispanic-white-population.html?_r=0 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 3 23:38:23 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 3 17:15:10 2015. Have shootings increased? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 3 23:41:08 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Aug 3 17:19:10 2015. "overall"? Ok. I'll agree with that because it includes so many crime categories.But it seems like there have been more shootings in NYC again. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 3 23:44:27 2015, in response to Re: Liberal conclusion - cold weather causes murder, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 3 23:41:08 2015. It's summer. Folks in the city can't play with fireworks, so they need other things that go bang bang or boom. :) |
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