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Re: Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 16:27:41 2015, in response to Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:02:46 2015. final tally:62.1% - 37.9% |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 16:29:50 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:18:45 2015. His post was sound. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:38:02 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 15:37:08 2015. Not to my knowledge. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:40:45 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 15:52:45 2015. Rand Paul is second to the last GOP presidential candidate I would be supporting. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:45:03 2015, in response to Re: Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 16:27:41 2015. Amazing. |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:46:03 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 16:23:15 2015. I accept, and commend you. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:46:35 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 16:29:50 2015. Long Island Sound? |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 16:46:58 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:46:03 2015. How ... touching.(I just had to, grin) |
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Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat May 23 16:50:06 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:29:00 2015. Ulster, rather predictably, says no. |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:50:50 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 16:46:58 2015. That's cool. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:52:16 2015, in response to Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat May 23 16:50:06 2015. ? |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat May 23 16:56:30 2015, in response to Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:52:16 2015. It took a European court to legalize "sodomy" in Northern Ireland: |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:00:48 2015, in response to Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat May 23 16:56:30 2015. Interesting. Thank you. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 17:03:47 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 12:26:06 2015. He works in a library? I thought he was a motorman. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:09:16 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 14:20:15 2015. Marriage is about whatever the spouses say it's about. If you can forbid polygamy because you think marriage is "about" committing to one spouse then Jim Bob can forbid gay marriage because he thinks marriage is "about" a sacred union between a man and his female chattel.And who says you can't commit 100% to multiple spouses anyway? Commitment is not a commodity being distributed— otherwise, anybody 100% committed to one spouse would be a flaky unreliable ditz in all other aspects of his life. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:13:27 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat May 23 17:03:47 2015. lol |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 17:17:51 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:50:50 2015. 
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:18:14 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 14:15:42 2015. OK, that one is tricky.Morally, there can be no objection to what consenting adults do in private, which means we can't ban incestuous marriage. However, children born through incest are likely to have deformities, which means incestuous reproduction infringes on the rights of a nonconsenting person. Just offhand, I can't think of a way to enforce such bans, but the problem is hardly limited to incestuous reproduction. If you have a gene that causes disease (such as Huntington's disease), then you should not be allowed to reproduce the allele responsible for the disease. (You can still reproduce, though; gametes are haploid, so just select one with a healthy allele.) I'd also say that people who simply can't afford to raise children properly should not be allowed to have them until they can. Again, even if I don't know how to accomplish these goals offhand doesn't mean they're not valid; at minimum, we can start by breaking down the cultural notions that reproduction is always good no matter what, that reproduction should be compulsory, and that children are "punishments" for women having "unauthorised" sex rather than people in their own right. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:19:28 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 17:17:51 2015. How do you do that? |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 17:23:19 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:19:28 2015. Stop frame animation. But I didn't do that, somebody else did. Crackle.com is running "Blues Brothers" and it inspired. :) |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:27:22 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 17:23:19 2015. Interesting. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:41:18 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 13:45:18 2015. Yes you are. You put human law as supreme.As opposed to what? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:43:33 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:18:45 2015. You have not responded to my points.Would you like me to repeat them? You are disrespecting the world's major religions. And are you claiming that being gay is a bad thing? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:43:55 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:40:45 2015. Second to last? Who's the last? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:47:55 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:43:33 2015. I'm not gay. I'm normal. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:49:10 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:43:55 2015. Jeb Bush. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:49:36 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:43:33 2015. He still hasn't responded to my question about which rights of citizenship should be subject to public referendum so you may be waiting awhile. Maybe you should start a thread "Questions chicagomotorman will not answer" |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:50:35 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:47:55 2015. So gay people are not normal? I dare you to say that to the face of my brother and friends of mine |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 17:53:27 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:49:10 2015. in a general election would you vote for Bernie Sanders over Bush or The Randpaul? |
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Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 17:58:15 2015, in response to Re: Republic of Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat May 23 16:56:30 2015. it took the US Supreme Court to legalize it in Texas.Can we send all Texans to the Six Counties? Please. I beg you. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 18:00:18 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:41:18 2015. As opposed to what?what ISIS is peddling. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 18:03:18 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:50:35 2015. They are not gender normative. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 18:09:20 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 17:18:14 2015. Excellent post |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:16:00 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:49:36 2015. Maybe. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:16:34 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:47:55 2015. Are you claiming that being gay is abnormal? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:19:50 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 17:49:10 2015. Wow, we actually agree on something!At this point, the last thing the country needs is another Bush or another Clinton in charge. Although if the election came down to Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, it would at least be funny to finally admit that America is ruled by a hereditary aristocracy. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 18:29:25 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 17:53:27 2015. I got to think about. But it is highly unlikely that Sanders will be nominated. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:31:20 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 18:29:25 2015. He won't be— sham elections notwithstanding, the aristocrats have already decided Clinton will win the primary. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 18:33:03 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 17:49:36 2015. I'LL ANSWER YOUR FUCKIN QUESTION AGAIN ASSHOLE, HAVING A REFERENDUM ON THIS ISSUE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND SPOKE, I RESPECT IT. HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU WANT ME TO ELABORATE. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 23 18:46:35 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:19:50 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 18:52:43 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 18:33:03 2015. Except my question was which rights should be subject to popular referendum (such as do you believe it should be up to public vote if certain religious groups should be a part of government) and you respond by posting a red herring |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:53:07 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 18:33:03 2015. Which rights of citizenship should be subject to public referendum?It's a fairly simple question. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:01:36 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:19:50 2015. If we hadn't run out of Kennedy's so early on, we'd probably have re-elected Kennedy VI by now. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 19:50:34 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:53:07 2015. Fuck you. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 19:51:22 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 18:16:34 2015. You sure the hell ain't normal. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 19:51:54 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 23 18:46:35 2015. You do? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 20:06:28 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 19:50:34 2015. Answer the question. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 24 01:47:03 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 23 19:01:36 2015. Yeah, with Kennedy's assassination, we now have a game of thrones-like struggle between two major families.Will you be voting for Hillary Stark or Jeb Lancaster? |
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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 24 02:02:15 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sun May 24 01:47:03 2015. I'm leaning towards our local boy, Bernie. JUST to piss off the usual suspects. Of course, I have a better chance of getting elected, but alas the great liper-tarian, RU Paul isn't running. :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 24 02:23:28 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 19:50:34 2015. Would you like me to repeat the question?Which rights of citizenship should be subject to public referendum? It's a fairly simple question. |
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