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Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:02:46 2015

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Early indications suggest Ireland voters back same-sex marriage referendum

By Laura Smith-Spark and Phil Black, CNN

Dublin, Ireland (CNN)Early indications are that Ireland has voted in favor of same-sex marriage, Irish media reported Saturday, as the process of counting votes in the landmark referendum continues.

If passed, it would make Ireland the first country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage through a popular vote.

The Irish Times newspaper said turnout in Dublin was as high as 65%, raising the hopes of "yes" campaigners that high engagement by young voters and those in urban areas could carry the result their way.

There was speculation that opposition to the measure might have been understated in the run-up to the poll because, amid the heated debate, people have been shy of saying they plan to vote "no."

But public service broadcaster RTE reported that early indications were that the "yes" vote would win out.

Labour lawmaker Kevin Humphreys, Ireland's Minister of State for Employment, Community and Social Support, tweeted that vote tallies in Dublin on a "historic day" showed the "yes" vote was "big and fat."

Health Minister Leo Varadkar also predicted a win, asking on Twitter whether any constituency would in fact vote "no."

David Quinn -- a director of the Iona Institute, a conservative Catholic think tank that advocated against legalizing same-sex marriage -- appeared to concede defeat as he tweeted, "Congratulations to the Yes side. Well done. #MarRef."


Another prominent opponent of same-sex marriage, the group Mothers and Fathers Matter, also congratulated the "yes" campaign on a win, saying: "This is their day, and they should enjoy it."

The group's statement said it had stepped up on behalf of a large proportion of the population whose voice was not being represented by Ireland's politicians, state institutions or the media.

"We are proud to have fought on behalf of those voices when nobody else would," it said.

"Though at times this campaign was unpleasant for people on all sides, nobody who involves themselves in a campaign does so with anything but the good of their country at heart. There is no better way to resolve difference than the way we are using today."

The results are expected to be announced Saturday afternoon.

'Yes' vote would permit civil marriage for gay, lesbian couples
As in many other countries around the world, the issue is a polarizing one. And the referendum is being seen as a test of whether in Ireland, a majority Catholic nation, more liberal thinking can trump conservative, traditional leanings.

Opinion polls before the vote suggested that the "yes" vote was on track to come out on top, but that the gap was narrowing.

If the referendum is passed, a change to the constitution will give gay and lesbian couples the right to civil marriage, but not to be wed in a church.

Ireland's political parties have backed the change. Prime Minister (or Taoiseach) Enda Kenny said this week that the country could "create history" and that a "yes" vote would "obliterate" prejudice along with irrational fears of difference.

Varadkar, who earlier this year announced he is gay, also told RTE that Ireland today is "a beacon, a light to the rest of the world for tolerance and equality."

Opposition to the constitutional change has been largely organized by Catholic groups that have focused on a message of protecting the traditional family.

The referendum has been a social media sensation, with many quick to welcome the anticipated win for the "yes" campaign.

Among them was Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, who tweeted, "Sitting here watching the Irish make history. Extraordinary and wonderful."


David Cochrane, social/communities editor at the Irish Times, tweeted, "Ireland the first country in the world to have marriage equality by popular vote. Serious history being made."


Many Irish people who returned from abroad to vote Friday in favor of same-sex marriage also joyfully told the world about it using the #HometoVote hashtag.


"Seeing the amount of people here in the airport who are #hometovote has me in floods!" tweeted one woman. "I feel very proud to be Irish right now."


'About civil marriage equality'
Ireland's "Yes" campaign has been spearheaded by an umbrella group called Yes Equality, established by gay rights campaign groups with the backing of civic society organizations and grassroots campaigners across the country.

The right to civil partnership for same-sex couples in Ireland was introduced in 2010. But on its website, Yes Equality argues that it differs significantly from marriage in the level of recognition and protection it affords to same-sex couples and their families.

The outcome of the referendum won't have any bearing on surrogacy or adoption rights, it says.

The possible new marriage laws also wouldn't represent any threat to religious freedom, according to Yes Equality.

"The referendum is about civil marriage equality," the group says. "Churches will be able to continue with religious ceremonies and will not be required to conduct wedding ceremonies for same-sex couples."

The message of equality appears to have resonated with many voters.

One, 46-year-old Tim Mudie, from Dublin, told CNN on Friday, "I voted yes. It's outrageous that my gay and lesbian friends are not able to do what they want to do."

Called a threat to religious freedom
A video produced by one group opposed to the change, Mandate for Marriage, argues that "redefining marriage" is a global threat to religious freedom pushed by "homosexual activists" and has been rejected by voters elsewhere, including some states in the United States.

That group's video also posits that redefining marriage is bad for parents and children.

"Without exception, every child reared by a same-sex couple is denied either a father or a mother," the video's narrator states.

Speaking to CNN on the eve of the poll, Joanna Jordan, of Dublin, told CNN that concern for the family unit was why she planned to vote against the constitutional change.

"I'm voting no because, as far as I'm concerned, marriage has always been between a man and a woman since the beginning of time and there's no reason to change it," she said. "Marriage is basically to set the scene for children to come into the world in the best possible way."

CNN's Laura Smith-Spark wrote and reported from London and Phil Black reported from Dublin. CNN's Hazel Pfeifer and journalist Peter Taggart contributed to this report.

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Re: Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat May 23 09:05:45 2015, in response to Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:02:46 2015.

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As one of the earliest proponents of the civil union in Vermont, I am still evolving on this issue. The situation remains fluid. Please monitor this thread periodically for updates.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:29:00 2015, in response to Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:02:46 2015.

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This is how it should be done. By voter referendum, not by legislation. The people of Ireland spoke, and I respect their decision.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:37:48 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:29:00 2015.

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It had to be done this way in Eire because it needed a constitutional amendment which can only be ratified by the voters.

Regular legislation would not have been sufficient otherwise it would have been done a long time ago.

This was a ratification vote.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:41:41 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 09:37:48 2015.

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Erie what

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 10:10:00 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:29:00 2015.

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Why should this issue be subject to popular referendum and not other issues?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:16:56 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 10:10:00 2015.

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Because it's controversial.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 10:23:45 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:16:56 2015.

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Hardly.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 23 10:35:37 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:41:41 2015.

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Eire is Celtic for Ireland.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:37:49 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 10:23:45 2015.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 10:39:34 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:16:56 2015.

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So rights of citizenship are now controversial? What other rights would you subject to public referendum? Should the ability of Jews to vote or hold higher office be subject to this as it is controversial to some like Franklin Graham who is calling for those Supreme Court Justices who are Jewish to recuse themselves from the pending same sex marriage cases just because they are Jewish?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:41:53 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 23 10:35:37 2015.

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I did not know that. At first glance I thought it said Erie, as in Erie, Pa. Thank you for the information.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:46:07 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 10:39:34 2015.

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Again, I respect the wishes of the people of Ireland. I same that I as well as everyone should have respected the wishes of the people of California on Proposition 8.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 10:48:40 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:46:07 2015.

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And you did not answer my question of which rights of citizenship would you subject to public referendum?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:57:25 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 10:48:40 2015.

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FYI, If I were to ever vote on a referendum like that, I would have voted yes.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 11:36:55 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:57:25 2015.

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That may be but it doesn't answer my question

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Re: Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 11:42:50 2015, in response to Re: Eire Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by cortelyounext on Sat May 23 09:05:45 2015.

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I am still evolving on this issue.

In ipsa dubitatione facinus inest, etiamsi ad id non pervenerint.

here

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:04:48 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 11:36:55 2015.

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So you don't even think a referendum should even have been held?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 12:07:49 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:04:48 2015.

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I think rights of citizenship should not be subject to public referendum and one right of citizenship is being able to marry one non-incestuous spouse of your choice who is capable of consent

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:16:38 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 12:07:49 2015.

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Completely disrespecting the world's major religions.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 12:26:06 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 09:29:00 2015.

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I get it now. You're a libertarian.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 12:44:52 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 12:26:06 2015.

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You also marched in Skokie.

But with the Nazis.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:53:24 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 12:44:52 2015.

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Against the nazis. But you marched with the black panthers.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:55:31 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 12:26:06 2015.

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I am not a libertarian. I believe in laws.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:01:34 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:16:38 2015.

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Bullshit. Religion is not a proper source of public policy and of the rights of citizens.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:02:20 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:53:24 2015.

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He wasn't talking about you.

Black Panthers marched in Skokie.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:02:26 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:53:24 2015.

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He wasn't talking about you.

Black Panthers marched in Skokie.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 13:12:52 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:53:24 2015.

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is your name Olog-Hai?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 13:17:27 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:16:38 2015.

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Nobody is forcing the religion to accept the marriage for religious purposes or to perform the marriage

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 13:45:18 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:55:31 2015.

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Yes you are. You put human law as supreme.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 13:48:04 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:53:24 2015.

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No, he's pro-Nazi too. No criticism out of him when Italy elected fascists to its government back in '08.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 13:48:48 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 10:57:25 2015.

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You're definitely a libertarian.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 23 13:50:14 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:01:34 2015.

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Propriety is overrated.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 14:01:37 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 12:07:49 2015.

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Why just one? I can't think of a reasonable argument for banning polygamous marriages as long as all parties are entirely consenting— if three people want to get married, why not? If a fourth person wants to join the marriage and all three existing spouses are OK with that, what basis do we have for not allowing it?

Hell, as long as they're both properly consenting and don't reproduce, I can't think of an argument for banning incestuous marriage. If "that's nasty" were an argument, we'd have to ban gay people from marrying along with old people and ugly people.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 14:04:52 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 12:16:38 2015.

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You are disrespecting the world's major religions.

Islam: You deny the basic tenet that there is only one god and Muhammed is his spokesman.
Christianity: You deny the legitimacy of Joshua, son of Joseph as humanity's lord and saviour.
Judaism: You are posting on Shabbos, dumbass.

And that's just the first three. I'm sure you've eaten steak or burgers at some point (Hinduism) and I'm sure you've offended the Buddhists as well but I can't be bothered to look up how.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 14:15:42 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 14:01:37 2015.

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and don't reproduce,

How do you enforce that?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 14:20:15 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 14:01:37 2015.

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Marriage is about committing 100% to your spouse and that is impossible in a polygamous relationship

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 14:25:51 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 14:20:15 2015.

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it can also be about committing 100% to your spouses.

Are people not committed to all their children?
Or all their siblings?
Or to both of their parents?

Why would committment to multiple spouses be any different?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:26:07 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:02:20 2015.

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You are correct. And I apologize.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:27:21 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:02:26 2015.

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Double post. And Again. You are correct. And I apologize.


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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:27:44 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 13:12:52 2015.

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You are correct. And I apologize.


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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 15:37:08 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 13:02:20 2015.

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I'm sorry. That second part was supposed to be a question. I was asking if Black Panthers marched in Skokie. I did not intend to imply that they actually did, as I'm not aware of them doing so.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:37:35 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 23 13:45:18 2015.

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?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 15:37:53 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:27:21 2015.

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Yes, a double post! And one with a pretty bad mistake both times.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 23 15:52:45 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 15:37:35 2015.

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He means that you refuse to believe in the divine right of kings or that abortions cause hurricanes.

He is also proclaiming that you will vote for The Randpaul.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:17:59 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 23 13:17:27 2015.

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Oh really?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:18:45 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Nilet on Sat May 23 14:04:52 2015.

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You are gay.

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:21:39 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 15:37:53 2015.

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I said I apologize. Give me props for that. What else do you want me to do, go on my hands and knees and beg for forgiveness?

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 16:23:15 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 23 16:21:39 2015.

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What? I'm not picking on you. I'm admitting my own mistake!

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Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote

Posted by AlM on Sat May 23 16:26:03 2015, in response to Re: Ireland Becomes First Country to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage by Popular Vote, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 23 15:37:08 2015.

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Whew. I was wondering, how did I miss that?

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