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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Mon Apr 20 21:32:52 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 20 13:28:18 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You realize by writing Christians and Arabs, you're comparing apples to oranges, so to speak?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SMAZ* on Mon Apr 20 21:33:31 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 20 10:12:07 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You don't think that having an American President start a war with Iran will make the scenario of war between Iran and Israel more probable? You don't think that having an American President abandon an international nuclear agreement would make it more probable for Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon and thus make nuclear between Iran and Israel more probable?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SMAZ* on Mon Apr 20 21:35:38 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 20 11:27:24 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You don't read Olog's posts do you? Also throw in at least one so-called Jew who get his religious education from Ologists.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SMAZ* on Mon Apr 20 21:36:41 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 20 13:40:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Do you trust them?
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Posted by SMAZ* on Mon Apr 20 21:42:56 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 20 09:38:54 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The influence of the BDS movement on the Democratic Party is non-existent. OTOH the Republican Party is in full embrace with the End Timers who are a cornerstone of their base.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Mon Apr 20 21:43:06 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 20 21:36:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why not?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Apr 20 22:55:28 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 20 13:23:47 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d actually the most unattractive part is now religious adherents invent a god to sanctify their bullshit. your pal, Fred
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by Fred G* on Mon Apr 20 22:56:11 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 20 22:55:28 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d actually the most unattractive part is how religious adherents invent a god to sanctify their bullshit. your pal, Fred
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 06:29:36 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 20 22:56:11 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Goes back to caves, the jungles and the forests.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 06:32:56 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 21:31:06 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ideological purity is a luxury.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 06:34:50 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 21:32:05 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What? No wonder so many Jews are lawyers.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 06:37:04 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 21:29:46 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What are you saying?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 09:50:37 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 21:32:52 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Not in your book, or you wouldn't always be trying to convince us how dangerous Christian support is.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 09:56:58 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 20 21:33:31 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You don't think that having an American President start a war with Iran will make the scenario of war between Iran and Israel more probable? It seems to be overwhelmingly progressives who believe the only options are war or a bad deal. You don't think that having an American President abandon an international nuclear agreement would make it more probable for Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon and thus make nuclear between Iran and Israel more probable? I think an American President trying to cut a deal and empower a murderous regime makes war in the Middle East more probable. We are winning the peace that Chamberlain won for Britain in 1938 and Stalin won for Russia in 1939.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 09:59:56 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 20 20:01:24 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Politics is divisive. We have such political virgins here! LOL!
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 10:01:28 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 20 21:42:56 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You should have a show on MSNBC. Or get Al Gore to fund SMAZNBC. :)
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 10:08:30 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 21:30:27 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Kind of relevant to "true motives" and oddly appropriate. During World War II some Catholic Churches took in Jewish children as orphans and raised them as Catholic. Madame Albright was one such who had no idea she was Jewish until rather elderly. My own mother doubted whether that was truly a good deed because conversion being then (and now?) an important (and hardly philo-Semitic) aim of the Church, she saw Jewish souls stolen and I saw Jewish bodies saved. Which side are you on?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 10:10:17 2015, in response to Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Apr 19 14:09:26 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d These your "Christian Zionists"? They seem bent on accelerating WW3. (Of course, Therion Jay has to muddy things up by bringing Rubio into it; that makes him anti-Hispanic.) Daily Therion Catholic Bishops Support Iran Deal, Oppose Congressional Republicans Why are some Catholic teachings worth more than others? Jay Michaelson 04.20.155:15 AM ET Who’s supporting the P5+1 deal with Iran? Many Democrats, liberal celebrities, and… the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The result could be a conundrum for Republican presidential candidates seeking to woo Catholic voters—but more likely will be an example of how some Catholic positions are more equal than others. The USCCB, the official association of U.S. bishops, is known for taking a wide range of socially conservative positions—entirely against abortion and contraception, the USCCB led the attack on Obamacare’s so-called “Contraceptive Mandate,” and was ahead of the curve in calling for “religious freedom” laws such as Indiana’s. At the same time, it has long taken many economically and militarily progressive ones. The USCCB strongly supported the DREAM act, has long favored increased government aid to the poor, and opposed nuclear weapons. So it was not out of character when the bishops applauded the negotiations with Iran in 2013, and, this week, supported the P5+1 framework. Still, the open letter to Congress by the chairman of the USCCB’s Committee on International Justice and Peace went a step further. Not only did it “welcome the most recent step the United States and its international partners have taken with Iran” but it also took time to “oppose Congressional efforts that seek to undermine the negotiation process or make a responsible multi-party agreement more difficult to achieve and implement.” This places the USCCB squarely in opposition to Congressional Republicans, their usual allies on social issues. The bishops are also on the other side of the Iran issue from all the declared and not-yet-declared Republican presidential hopefuls, including Marco Rubio, who is Catholic. (In fact, Rubio’s faith defies easy categorization: he was baptized a Catholic, but raised as a Mormon for several years, and now attends both a Southern Baptist megachurch and a Catholic church.) Will the USCCB’s clear position on Iran cause a political crisis, or even a crisis of faith, for Republican presidential candidates? In a word, No. First, we are decades past the days in which Catholic politicians were asked whether they could ever disagree with Catholic doctrine. Those questions smacked of anti-Catholic prejudice when they were asked of John F. Kennedy, and of political opportunism when they were put to Mario Cuomo. By the time of John Kerry, the altar boy turned pro-choice feminist, the mainstream media was over it. More importantly, politicians and journalists alike seem to have selective attention when it comes to Catholic doctrine. For example, popes have often made statements on economic policy that would make Socialists blush. This is certainly the case with Pope Francis, but it was true even of Pope John Paul II, who crusaded against communism but sharply critiqued capitalism as well, especially in his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus. Likewise with the Church’s longstanding opposition to nuclear weapons, its more recent concerns about climate change, and its staunch opposition to the death penalty. When the Church is pro-life in the context of reproductive justice, suddenly politicians are conscience-bound to follow its teachings. But when it is pro-life in the context of criminal justice or international affairs, not so much. What differentiates compelling Catholic teachings from less compelling ones? Easy: conservative Protestant politics. Where Catholic positions align with conservative Protestant ones, they align with the Republican consensus and are warmly trumpeted as essential elements of our “Judeo-Christian heritage,” even if (as in the case of LGBT equality) a majority of practicing Catholics disagree. But when Catholic teachings align with liberal Protestant ones—a coalition of liberal Protestants sent its own letter supporting the Iran deal—they have no constituency. Republican’s aren’t interested in the liberalism, and Democrats aren’t interested in the religiosity. Think about it—when is the last time you heard a politician oppose war because of our “Judeo-Christian heritage”? Liberal Christian organizations do that all the time, but no one knows what to do with them. For Democrats, this is perhaps a shame. Pundits routinely complain that Democrats aren’t as good as Republicans when it comes to waving banners of God and country. Statements like the USCCB’s letter on Iran give Democrats the opportunity to do so—but they’re probably too worried about alienating the base, or compromising the separation of church and state, or whatever. That’s why the Bishops’ letter will probably fall with a thud. Pacifism is the part of Catholicism (and Christianity) in which conservatives have no interest. There is one possibility, though. Marco Rubio is not “just” a Catholic. He has written that, though he loved the Baptist church service, “I craved, literally, the Most Blessed Sacrament, Holy Communion, the sacramental point of contact between the Catholic and the liturgy of heaven” and that “every sacrament, every symbol and tradition of the Catholic faith is intended to convey, above everything else, the revelation that God yearns, too, for a relationship with you.” Of course, a cynic would dismiss such professions of faith as mere posturing, but they do have the ring of sincerity. And if so, while it would not be fair game to demand that Rubio square his political opinions on Iran with those of his Church, it is worth asking how he reconciles them in his own conscience. Is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops wrong on the facts, wrong on the values, or both? Is there a moral case for giving peace as many chances as possible, or isn’t there? And, perhaps not for Senator Rubio but for the many politicians who claim to speak on behalf of all Christians, do all Catholic Church teachings count—or only the ones which drive conservatives to the polls?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by AlM* on Tue Apr 21 10:10:20 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 09:56:58 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d It seems to be overwhelmingly progressives who believe the only options are war or a bad deal. Progressives are very aware of a third and a 4th option: 3. No deal at all, continued sanctions, no supervision of Iran at all, and Iran goes full speed ahead to make nuclear weapons. 4. A so-so deal that very much slows down Iran's ability to make a weapon, but doesn't give 100% guarantees. Of course, if Iran turns out to be obstinate, we will end up with #3 anyway. We can't prevent #3. The trouble with #3 is the risk that it turns into #1 at a later date.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 10:11:43 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 20 20:01:24 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So supporting Israel's safety is "divisive" to you. Got any more antisemitism?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 10:12:21 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 10:01:28 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why not Al Sharpton with his unpaid taxes?
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Posted by AlM* on Tue Apr 21 10:12:58 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 10:08:30 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Taking them in as orphans and raising them as Catholics was a good deed as long as Hitler had power over the given region. But once he was gone the Church had an obligation to make a path available whereby the children became Jewish again.
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Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Apr 21 10:18:59 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 10:01:28 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I am the most mainstream person in America today.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 11:08:56 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 21 10:10:20 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d On #3. It's harder for them to go full speed with sanctions we know were putting them in a severe bind. And consider #3a. Even as we speak, Iran is continuing in their non-nuclear aggressions in pursuit of power. On #4. Another word for "slowing down" is "kick the can down the road." Chamberlain slowed down Hitler for a year. Stalin for two years. Germany used the time to become stronger; built in to the Iran deal is that won't become weaker military, but will become stronger economically. If they break any deal, what are we going to do then? Go to War? Isn't that what Progressives say we shouldn't do? Actually, you alluded to that when you said #3 can become #1. Of course that is unlikely to happen on Obama's watch.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 11:18:42 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 21 10:12:58 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d But once he was gone the Church had an obligation to make a path available whereby the children became Jewish again. Well, that didn't happen. So was what the church did bad? Or was it doing the right thing for the wrong reason? And if some evangelicals are supporting Jews and Israel at a critical point in time for a "wrong" reason, should Jews get on their high horse (to echo President Obama's borrowed phrased) and say "no, we will only let you support us for the right reason? You know some Jews (and some Christians--look at the Mideast now) would die rather be forced to convert. So should those Jewish parents in World War II have refused to let their children go into that convent and be raised Catholic? Or should they have allowed their children to die pure? This was not a theoretical question.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 11:20:02 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 21 10:11:43 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Supporting Obama = patriotism. Doubting Obama = divisive. Opposing Obama = Treason.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 11:21:09 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 21 10:18:59 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So you're perfect for MSNBC! Go for it.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal
Posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 11:29:13 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 21 10:10:17 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d Is the Catholic Church being divisive?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Tue Apr 21 11:40:46 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 06:32:56 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Perhaps, but I think we need to be more careful about who some our "friends" are than we have been as of late.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Tue Apr 21 11:41:32 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 06:37:04 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Just that we should be careful, the seemingly good intentions of some of our Christian "friends" may not actually be so great for us in the end.
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Tue Apr 21 11:41:59 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 09:50:37 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Arabs aren't a religion, Christians are. Christian support isn't dangerous, a certain type of Christian support is.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 21 11:44:35 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 21 10:10:17 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d More defensiveness from you. Figures.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 11:54:41 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 21 11:41:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So how would you go about picking and choosing who we should "permit" to support us? And what would you say to those whose support "we" reject?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Tue Apr 21 11:55:38 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 21 11:40:46 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Like the democrats.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 12:02:57 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 21 11:55:38 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d +1
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by 3-9* on Tue Apr 21 12:29:04 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 21 11:41:59 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Stop with all these shades of gray, people here can't handle it.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH* on Tue Apr 21 12:32:17 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 21 11:55:38 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d By Democrats do you mean Obama? The Democratic party as a whole remains pro-Israel.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Tue Apr 21 12:40:34 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 21 12:32:17 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah right.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 12:40:40 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 21 12:29:04 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Shades of gray? Endless equivocation. When you start out with a declaration of "More reading for those of you who don't understand what the fundamentalist Christian Zionists want out of their relationship with the Jews and Israel. Short version: It isn't good for the Jews." you invite debate.
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Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 12:42:19 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 21 12:40:34 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Problem is Democrats are afraid to be seen as anti-Israel and Democrats are afraid to be seen insulting their own radicals. Fear rules.
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Posted by cortelyounext* on Tue Apr 21 12:46:29 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 21 12:40:34 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 12:54:18 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Apr 21 12:46:29 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What a great looking guy. Make an attractive candidate, I think.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by 3-9* on Tue Apr 21 13:35:19 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 12:40:40 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's not the debate which I'm pointing out. It's the constant attempts to make "Christian Zionist" = "all Christians", which is not the case. So unless these are merely attempts to present a strawman, the only other thing I can conclude is that you guys have trouble understanding that there can be different beliefs within a given group.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal
Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 21 14:02:20 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?—USCCB (Catholic bishop group) supports Iran deal, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 11:29:13 2015. fiogf49gjkf0d Always an open question, when it comes to a church that preaches against abortion yet instructs its voters to always vote pro-abortion.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 14:03:13 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 12:42:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Democrats are afraid to be seen as anti-Israel Since when?
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 14:16:19 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 21 13:35:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I don't see that. I see him saying "all Christian Zionist groups."
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?
Posted by SLRT* on Tue Apr 21 14:17:37 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 21 14:03:13 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Observe the thunderous applause Netanyahu got from Democrats as well as Republicans at his speech (except the ones that had "prior commitments" of course).
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 14:25:30 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 14:17:37 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Doesn't make them look like they aren't anti-Israel.
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 21 14:27:03 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 21 13:35:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d He hasn't even successfully identified any of these so-called "Christian Zionists" especially in the context he tries to portray them. That includes those who self-identify as so-called "CZs".
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Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists
Posted by 3-9* on Tue Apr 21 14:40:06 2015, in response to Re: Jews, Israel, and Christian Zionists, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 21 14:16:19 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Because he's not the one doing that, that's why.
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