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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015 150 years ago today, Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, an actor and Confederate operative, less than a week after the South surrendered at Appomattox, ending the Civil War. Lincoln's entire Presidency was spent engaged in the most sanguinary military conflict ever fought on American soil. It's hard to imagine what the Lincoln White House faced--millions of people, prepared to wage war and die, defending an indefensible institution, rather than dismantle one of the great atrocities of human history. At unspeakable cost, Lincoln and his generals finally succeeded in restoring the Union and putting a stop to slavery in the United States, forever. Although the horrors of Jim Crow would persist for another century thereafter, (and, astonishingly, be revived in 20+ states in the 21st century), Lincoln's Presidency remains among the greatest in American history, for doing what it had to, in order to erase an absolutely evil presence in the affairs of our country. Just something to ponder... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 15 03:11:02 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. He belongs to the Ages. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 06:44:05 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 15 03:11:02 2015. Abraham Mario Lincoln |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 07:49:15 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. I thought you were a journalist? You have some unfounded statements in there. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 08:26:04 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. The important historical message is overshadowed by your BS editorializing. Something to think about...Anyhow, have a nice day! I'm renting a convertible to drive through three of the five Boroughs today, if everything goes to plan. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 08:45:25 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. The great emancipator. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 08:49:23 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 08:45:25 2015. So now you have a reason to support Lincoln. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 08:56:55 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. The great emancipator. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 08:58:15 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 08:56:55 2015. I find your first source more reliable. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 09:01:13 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. The great emancipator. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 09:03:28 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. The great emancipator. This will be the last one. For now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 09:06:12 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 09:03:28 2015. These posts have actually been useful and have helped counteract some needless editorializing. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 15 09:08:30 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 09:06:12 2015. IAWTP. Especially the "needless editorializing" part. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 09:09:00 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 09:06:12 2015. Well Thank you. I think. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 10:53:48 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 07:49:15 2015. Such as? |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 10:56:37 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 06:44:05 2015. Abraham Mario LincolnNice  |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:01:44 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 08:26:04 2015. "Needless editorializing"? Really?Lincoln was President for the entirety of the Civil War, the bloodiest conflict ever fought in the US. Southerners were obviously prepared to fight and die defending slavery, which they did. Jim Crow is being revived today as the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" which has either been passed or proposed in over 20 states. All those items are FACTS. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 15 11:13:26 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:01:44 2015. Jim Crow is being revived today as the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" which has either been passed or proposed in over 20 states.Opinion. It's something of a stretch to compare a caterer declining to do a wedding cake for a gay wedding with people being denied service in a restaurant because they are black. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:21:10 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:01:44 2015. I would think it likely that many of the Southerners who fought and died for their states did so while indifferent to or possibly disfavoring slavery. Ignoring that possibility is editorializing.There is also the FACT, which you ignore, that Lincoln was willing to perpetuate slavery if it would preserve the union: "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service....holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." Abraham Lincoln, speaking of the Corwin Amendment. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:21:30 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 15 11:13:26 2015. RFRAs allow Americans to refuse goods and services to other Americans, based on who they are. A restaurant certainly may deny service to Black people, citing "sincerely held religious beliefs". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:26:33 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:21:30 2015. That is different from Jim Crow laws, which made segregation compulsory. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 15 11:33:20 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:21:30 2015. A restaurant certainly may deny service to Black people, citing "sincerely held religious beliefs".Any newly passed state law does not override the Civil Rights Act of 1964. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 12:04:13 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 15 11:33:20 2015. I eagerly await the first judicial review of RFRA, which has yet to occur. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 15 12:27:42 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 12:04:13 2015. They already did.It's Hobby Lobby v Burwell and it said that a corporation has religious rights and can practice sharia based on genuinely-held religious beliefs. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 13:39:24 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:21:10 2015. OK, I missed it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 13:40:20 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 15 13:39:24 2015. No problem. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 17:46:30 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 10:53:48 2015. "(and, astonishingly, be revived in 20+ states in the 21st century)" |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 17:47:16 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:26:33 2015. Crickets |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 17:54:26 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 15 17:46:30 2015. What? It has been. Bigotry wrapped up in "religious freedom". |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Apr 16 07:17:39 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 17:54:26 2015. No it hasn't. That's your BS editorializing. You obviously know nothing about objective journalism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 07:19:19 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:26:33 2015. BUMP |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Apr 16 07:31:51 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 11:26:33 2015. Bump bump |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 08:59:47 2015, in response to 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 14 16:34:12 2015. And so in retrospect, one simple question became historic:"Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?" |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:08:00 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 15 11:21:30 2015. Really? Can you identify any religion that because of its teachings, would prevent its members from serving black customers? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:10:58 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:08:00 2015. It's not too long ago that the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa had this view. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:16:34 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:10:58 2015. Are you a moron? What does that have to do with today in this country? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:31:27 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:16:34 2015. No, I am not a moron. I was answering your question. Perhaps that qualifies me as being exceedingly foolish.Does history never regress? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:45:53 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:31:27 2015. What does a law in Indiana or several other states, in effect now, have to do with South Africa in the past?BTW: You certainly seem like one. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:52:04 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:31:27 2015. What does a law in Indiana or several other states, in effect now, have to do with South Africa in the past?BTW: You certainly seem like one. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:57:26 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:52:04 2015. What does a law in Indiana or several other states, in effect now, have to do with South Africa in the past?If you were restricting your comment to laws in the present in the US (and this thread certainly doesn't restrict itself to the present), then you asked the wrong question. I answered the question you asked, not the one you may have been thinking about. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 10:17:00 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:57:26 2015. Is there something seriously wrong with you? I was responding to a comment about RFRA in the 21st century. What does that have to do with South Africa in the past?My "moron" comment was in response to your similar comment about me last week. I guess it fits better than I thought. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 16 11:11:27 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:08:00 2015. Anyone can interpret their religion to just such a belief. Scripture was, in fact used to justify slavery. There's nothing in the RFRA that would prevent someone from discriminating against Blacks and claiming religious beliefs. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 11:53:03 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 16 09:57:26 2015. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 11:54:39 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Apr 16 09:08:00 2015. Anyone can make up whatever religion they dawn well please. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 16 11:57:54 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 11:54:39 2015. Dawn well?
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 16 13:16:40 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 16 11:11:27 2015. There's nothing in the RFRA that would prevent someone from discriminating against Blacks and claiming religious beliefs.That's only your uninformed opinion. Only after a court case proves that there's nothing in the RFRA that would prevent someone from discriminating against Blacks and claiming religious beliefs can you then make such a statement as fact. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Apr 16 14:04:17 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 11:54:39 2015. I just did and you are interfering with my free expression. Please leave this board. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 14:10:15 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Apr 16 14:04:17 2015. Too effin' bad. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Apr 16 14:17:22 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 16 11:11:27 2015. Which probably shows a complete lack of understanding of what this law is intended to do. Did you object so vehemently when the Federal version was passed in 1993? I suspect not? Don't let that stop though. You let us all know when that happens in this country and thank you for the effort. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 16 14:27:20 2015, in response to Re: 150 Years Ago Today, posted by R2Chinatown on Thu Apr 16 14:17:22 2015. The federal version was more limited before Burwell v. Hobby Lobby. |
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