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Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 11:58:07 2015

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Got to hear and see a few snippets of his speech live.

What more interested me was I couldn't see a lot of vacant seats. Some on the Democrat's side of the aisle sat and didn't applaud on a handful of points but, by and large it was near universal standing ovations.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 3 12:09:08 2015, in response to Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 11:58:07 2015.

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I heard an interview with a couple of Democrats who said they were going to go to the speech because they weren't going to allow the Republicans to drive a wedge as intended.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 12:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 3 12:09:08 2015.

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Could be. Would you say they realized that not showing up would have been counterproductive to their caucus's interests?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 12:16:38 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 12:15:08 2015.

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Most of who didn't show up are members of the Congressional Black Caucus and from very solidly Democratic states whose seats aren't in jeopardy.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 12:19:32 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 12:16:38 2015.

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If "most" were from the Congressional Black Caucus that begs interpretation.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 3 12:53:46 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 12:16:38 2015.

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That's your only opinion of the speech?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 13:14:55 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 3 12:53:46 2015.

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No but I have other things to attend to, I'll post my analysis later on.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 13:15:49 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 12:19:32 2015.

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What interpretation would you like? My understanding is most of them objected to the way Boehner went around Obama in extending this invitation.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 13:30:26 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 13:15:49 2015.

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I would like to know why, of the various Democrats who did and didn't go, that particularly group was prominent.

It would be understandable to feel a racial solidarity with the President, though that's not a great reason to shun an important speech on an important issue that other members of their party attended.

And going back in history, it could be evidence that the historic alliance between Jews and Blacks on Civil Rights is deader than seemed apparent.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 3 13:36:15 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 12:15:08 2015.

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Counterproductive in what way?

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 3 13:39:34 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 3 13:36:15 2015.

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It's harmful to American interests related to Iran to overemphasize the disagreements between the US and Israel.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 3 13:40:56 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 3 13:14:55 2015.

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I had other things to attend to too.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 13:58:42 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 3 13:40:56 2015.

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PWNED!

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 14:02:46 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 3 13:39:34 2015.

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And counterproductive because they hoped that being "out of town" would support the President, embarrass the GOP and delegitimatize the speech, but instead it split the Democrats.

And sometimes you can't use the "I would have attended but it was my turn to walk the dog at home" excuse.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 14:56:01 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Mar 3 13:40:56 2015.

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oh yeah ?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 14:58:23 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 14:56:01 2015.

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Oh yeah what?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 14:59:31 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 14:56:01 2015.

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Oh yeah what?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 13:30:26 2015.

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"And going back in history, it could be evidence that the historic alliance between Jews and Blacks on Civil Rights is deader than seemed apparent."

The "historic alliance" was always one-sided. Jews supported blacks on civil rights issues; some even gave their lives doing so. But blacks have never supported Jews on anything - in fact, some of the biggest Jew-haters have been black.



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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:06:09 2015, in response to Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 11:58:07 2015.

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I was in court and missed the whole thing.

Was his speech substantially different than the one he gave to the UN awhile back?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:12:54 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015.

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Well, things really went south (figuratively) with Ocean Hill-Brownsville.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:14:01 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:06:09 2015.

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I could only hear/see snippets. I'll read the transcript later.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:32:25 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 14:58:23 2015.

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Netanyahu is ''your main man'' .......... right ?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:40:00 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:32:25 2015.

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No. But he does love America more than obama.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:40:32 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:12:54 2015.

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Specify, please.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:41:51 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015.

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Iawtlp

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:41:58 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:32:25 2015.

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No. But he does love America more than obama.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:44:30 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:40:00 2015.

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oh sure

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:44:45 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:41:58 2015.

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yeah sure

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:45:13 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:48:55 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:40:32 2015.

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NY Teacher's Strike of 1968

Short excerpt:

"The New York City teachers' strike of 1968 was a months-long confrontation between the new community-controlled school board in the largely black Ocean Hill–Brownsville neighborhoods of Brooklyn, and New York City’s United Federation of Teachers. The strike dragged on from May 1968 to November 1968, shutting down the public schools for a total of 36 days and increasing racial tensions between Blacks and Jews.

"Thousands of New York City teachers went on strike in 1968 when the school board of the neighborhood, which is now two separate neighborhoods, abruptly dismissed a set of teachers and administrators. The newly created school district, in a mostly black neighborhood, was an experiment in community control over schools—the dismissed workers were almost all white and Jewish."

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:50:19 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:45:13 2015.

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Racist Jew hating anti Semite

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:50:31 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:48:55 2015.

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This just proves my point - the "alliance" is one-sided.

And this came just a few short years after Schwerner and Goodman were killed by white supremacists for supporting civil rights.



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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 3 15:50:57 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015.

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But blacks have never supported Jews on anything - in fact, some of the biggest Jew-haters have been black.

To a certain extent, a lot of black people aren't aware of Jewish support for civil rights, but the big issue that Jews are still seen as "rich white people" to a sizable chunk of black people. Just take some of the anti-Semitic memes floating around New York, and amplify them considerably, and you can get how some black people feel about Jews.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:51:32 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:45:13 2015.

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You have sleep apnea?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:52:30 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 3 15:50:57 2015.

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"To a certain extent, a lot of black people aren't aware of Jewish support for civil rights."

Whose fault is that?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:19 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Mar 3 15:50:19 2015.

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bullshit

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:42 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:51:32 2015.

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nope !
do you ?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:59 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:52:30 2015.

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MLK ?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:58:42 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:59 2015.

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How do you feel about Jews' role in Civil Rights?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:02:33 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 15:58:42 2015.

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a young man died in mississippi

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 16:09:24 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:02:33 2015.

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You are referring to which young man?

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:12:09 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 16:09:24 2015.

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back in the 1960s i dont rememeber his name but he was lynched in mississippi

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:16:43 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 16:09:24 2015.

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n 1964 three Mississippi civil rights workers were murdered on the night of June 21–22 in Neshoba County. They were James Earl Chaney from Meridian, Mississippi, and Andrew Goodman and Michael "Mickey" Schwerner from New York City, who were abducted, shot at close range and killed by members of the local White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, the Neshoba County Sheriff's Office, and the Philadelphia Police Department of that city in Mississippi. The three young men had been working on the "Freedom Summer" campaign, attempting to prepare and register African Americans to vote after they had been disenfranchised since 1890.

The disappearance and feared murders of these activists sparked national outrage and a massive federal investigation. The Federal Bureau of Investigation referred to this investigation as "Mississippi Burning" (MIBURN). They found the bodies of the three workers 44 days after they disappeared; they were buried in an earthen dam near the murder site. After the state government refused to prosecute, the federal government initially charged 18 individuals with civil rights violations. Seven were convicted and received relatively minor sentences for their actions. Outrage over the activists' murders helped gain passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.[citation needed]

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 16:23:35 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:16:43 2015.

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I though you were referring to this incident. But did you mean to specify just one "young man."

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Leadership 101 Speech

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Mar 3 16:24:10 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 15:04:14 2015.

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Netanyahu took obama to school today on how leaders speak about and look at political and security crisis'. Hope he was watching.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 16:26:19 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by SLRT on Tue Mar 3 16:23:35 2015.

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my mistake it was 2 whites and one black (1964)

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Dave on Tue Mar 3 16:32:33 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:19 2015.

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No, it's very true.

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Re: Leadership 101 Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 17:08:02 2015, in response to Leadership 101 Speech, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Mar 3 16:24:10 2015.

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Obama is an arrogant toerag. He doesn't learn anything from anyone.

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Re: Netanyahu's Speech

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 17:08:40 2015, in response to Re: Netanyahu's Speech, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 3 15:56:42 2015.

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From the way you were snoring, it sure sounds like you do.

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Re: Leadership 101 Speech

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Mar 3 17:15:16 2015, in response to Re: Leadership 101 Speech, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 3 17:08:02 2015.

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More the pity

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