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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 28 14:47:16 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 28 13:37:15 2015. iawtp |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 10:53:25 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 28 13:37:15 2015. 35 permanent jobs. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 10:57:29 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 10:53:25 2015. That's about right. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:33:33 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 10:53:25 2015. That would be permanent jobs. How many construction jobs are actually permanent? You finish the job and then move on. This is how it works. Thousands of construction jobs, "shovel ready" that will last 2 years or so. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 11:39:38 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:33:33 2015. There are better ways to create construction jobs - like a program to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:44:36 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 11:39:38 2015. So then you believe that its safer to ship crude by train or ship than it is by pipeline? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:22:23 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:44:36 2015. We should not ship that gunk at all.Either we have freight trains blow up towns, or we contaminate entire aquifers and river systems. It is expensive to refine, poor quality, environmentally dangerous to get it, ship it, goes straight out to the world market, and does nothing to reduce oil dependency. IOW, it is all pain, no gain for the USA. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 12:26:03 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:44:36 2015. I believe it's safer for Americans that TransCanada ship their oil to China by going thru Canada rather than using our Great Plains' aquifers as their dumping grounds.However Canadian provinces have already nixed that idea. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:26:09 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:33:33 2015. We could build bunch of Walmarts.Or we can replace some highway and railroad spans. Or we can start submerging our power grid so that 98% of it is not above ground. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 12:30:44 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:26:09 2015. I like the power grid idea. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:32:02 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 12:26:03 2015. If Canada wants to ship it, Canada can send it to Prince Rupert, or Canada can go fuck itself.Doesn't cease to amaze me how the US right-wingers get pussy-whipped by a Canadian oil company and their prostitutes in the Harper government. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 12:32:23 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:26:09 2015. Or we could build a 6 lane expressway over atlantic. I hear thats almost shovel ready. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 16:34:25 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:44:36 2015. Where did you get that idea? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 16:34:46 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 12:32:02 2015. +1 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 16:38:12 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 12:32:23 2015. You sure know how to shovel it. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Mar 1 17:44:03 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed—Obama hates jobs, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 1 11:44:36 2015. So then you believe that its safer to ship crude by train or ship than it is by pipeline?Train. And it creates more jobs than a pipeline. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 1 17:47:41 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Mar 1 17:44:03 2015. There ya go. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 18:06:13 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Mar 1 17:44:03 2015. Any new importation of crude tar sands oil should be banned in the US regardless of the mode of transportation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 18:11:52 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 18:06:13 2015. It's Canada's problem to evacuate it, not ours. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 18:19:22 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 18:11:52 2015. Exactly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 18:25:08 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 1 18:19:22 2015. Public opinion is slowly turning. In my right-winged CD, it is just 55% in favor, 42% opposed.Ranchers in Nebraska are becoming aware of the ground-water issues that can wipe out their cattle, crops, and existence. So they are creating Eminent Domain issues that will take at least 3 years to clear, and their movement is growing. |
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Posted by trAIn duDe on Sun Mar 1 20:51:16 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 1 18:25:08 2015. What difference does public opinion make. The president has vetoed the bill, "will of the public" be damned. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 06:59:59 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by trAIn duDe on Sun Mar 1 20:51:16 2015. And there are insufficient votes in each house to override, despite the largest Republican majority in the lower house in many decades. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 10:34:20 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 06:59:59 2015. And that shows that the majority of Americans do not favor the Keystone pipeline, exactly how? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:27:46 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 10:34:20 2015. The majority have been brainwashed by the liars in Congress into thinking it brings many thousand of permanent jobs and know nothing of the environmental damage.Best to ignore them. The majority don't want fare increases or service cuts. It happens anyway. You have no problem with that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 12:38:13 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:27:46 2015. So then because the majority of Americans don't agree with you, they've been brainwashed? Perhaps its you that's been brainwashed. I guess from your point of view it would be best to ignore the majority when they dare disagree with you. Now for the record, why don't I have a problem with fare increases or service cuts? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:44:01 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 12:38:13 2015. Yes they have been brainwashed, because they are running on bad information - has nothing to do with me. They watch CSPAN, CNBC, and FOX and hear it is a "job creator", and "energy independence" which is all nonsense. Then no mention of the environmental effects and that none of it goes directly to the US markets. The support is starting to fall.TA's operating budget is your job, isn't it ? Obviously if they never raise fares, your job is threatened. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 12:53:52 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:44:01 2015. Clearly with advanced thinking like yours, I'm no match for you, intellectually. You win.But for the record, where did you ever get the idea that I had anything to do with the TA operating budget or that my job would be threatened if fares were not raised? Again, ponder this, if what you say is true, then why does the TWU always oppose fare hikes? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:58:53 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 12:53:52 2015. I don't know you. But I can only assume by your posts you have a high level position somewhere in maintenance.Theory about TWU, fare hikes suppress ridership, especially on the bus side, so not good for maintaining or increasing number of union jobs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 13:02:27 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:44:01 2015. By the way, I have a very good friend by the name of Joe V. who is a retired teacher and thinks as you do. You wouldn't be him, would you? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 13:06:14 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:58:53 2015. "I don't know you." TRUE"But I can only assume by your posts you have a high level position somewhere in maintenance." FALSE |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 2 13:25:24 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 12:58:53 2015. But I can only assume by your posts you have a high level position somewhere in maintenance.You would need to change two characters of that sentence to make it true. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 2 14:11:58 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 13:02:27 2015. Never taught school and I am not retired (just off today). Nope. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 2 16:20:48 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 2 12:53:52 2015. Why don't you tell us why YOU want this pipeline built?Educate me. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Mar 2 16:51:46 2015, in response to Re: Keystone pipeline vetoed, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 2 16:20:48 2015. I learned a long time ago not to try to teach a pig to play tennis. It would be a waste of my time and would annoy the pig. |
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