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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 18:19:38 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 21 16:47:58 2014. Yeah, the fragmenting, customization, etc., makes a lot of distro trees incompatible, unless you're willing to put in a LOT of work. I learned it the hard way when I tried to stick the latest stock kernel into an installed Suse distro several years ago. The list of errors I got was quite long. The thing is to pick one popular tree (like Debian or Debian-based), so that updates to the base distro can be also be applied to your derived distro. If you're more of a hacker type you can try a less popular tree, like Arch. In a way, BSD can be thought of as a single Linux distro tree. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 21 18:25:26 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 18:19:38 2014. Actually, there's difference there as well if you depend on binary distributions. One of the things about BSD is that if you want it to work, you always build from sources and you just wait the couple of days for all of it to compile. In our case with KNOS, we left the trunk a couple of years ago because BSD is really a server OS and still isn't developed for desktop use. We had to write an awful lot of our own stuff.For us, the main good thing about BSD is that nothing "experimental" goes into the code. It is put through the wringer for a couple of years before it's accepted as stable and inserted. In our case, we needed to do desktops and thus were pretty much on our own. BSD won't accept our code back, although we have contributed a large number of fixes for the main tree which have been accepted. But they're really not interested in desktop-focused stuff. |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 19:25:15 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 21 18:25:26 2014. One of the things about BSD is that if you want it to work, you always build from sources and you just wait the couple of days for all of it to compile.How simple is that? If the process could be started with just a few commands, then it's not quite that bad, but if you have to work out the dependencies, configuration options, compile commands, etc., for each package, on your own, then it's going to take more than a few days to get a useful system, unless you want to forego eating and sleeping and such. :-S |
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Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse* |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 21 20:20:22 2014, in response to Re: Selkirk, I Can't Install BSD *whine* *grouse*, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 19:25:15 2014. In BSD land, you move through the /usr/ports/(type)/(software you want) directories, you type in "make install pkg" and it automatically constructs any dependencies you don't have and then finishes up the port you asked for once all of that compiles. It's actually very easy once you know how it all works.If I want to add for example, gnome2, I just have to go to /usr/ports/x11/gnome2, type in "make install pkg" there and all 487 dependencies get compiled first, then gnome2 goes in on top. It's quite simple. The real work comes in if you want to change how any of the dependencies or ports are designed. We do a lot of modifications since the real issues we have center around unsupported hardware and their needs. It's the hardware stuff that keeps us busy. In Windows and OS X, the manufacturers of the hardware write the system drivers for their stuff. They're not really interested in Linux or BSD and so in order to get hardware to work, we have to write those drivers ourselves. That's the REAL heavy lifting. :( |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 20:36:45 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by GAMera on Tue Oct 21 10:45:00 2014. Read my original post on the matter for the necessary context— I specifically noted that he's willing to say "god" the common noun but not "God" the proper noun and asked why; he denied it entirely. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 20:36:47 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 21 13:03:14 2014. It's amazing that he couldn't figure that out.Lolwut? Read my original post on the matter. Specifically, this key line: You may be willing to spell "god" (the common noun; a generic powerful mythical being that appears in many cultures) properly, but you don't correctly spell "God" (the proper noun, a specific character in the Torah and fan fiction thereof). You responded: I don't write that. So why did you lie? Or is the sentence I quoted above part of the nuance and context that you missed? Even if he was refusing to write the word with an upper case G because he doesn't believe in such a concept... What does this even mean? ...he still should have been able to figure out why I was saying that I didn't do what he claims I did. I asked you why you misspelled the word "god" under certain circumstances. You denied that you did. Now that you've been busted in a lie, you're suddenly pretending you don't know how grammar works. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 21 21:17:12 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 20:36:47 2014. LOL! I specifically quoted what I was responding to. You're unbelievable. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 22:22:32 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 21 21:17:12 2014. LOL! I specifically quoted what I was responding to.Ah right, you have trouble understanding nuance and context. What you were responding to was this: Then what's with the "g-d" then? You may be willing to spell "god" (the common noun; a generic powerful mythical being that appears in many cultures) properly, but you don't correctly spell "God" (the proper noun, a specific character in the Torah and fan fiction thereof). You quoted the first sentence out of context, then pretended the second sentence didn't exist and offered a useless response that dodged he question actually asked. As such, I will spell it out for you as literally as I can: The Torah and fan fiction based on it is a collection of short stories. These stories are largely independent of each other, but many (or most) of them feature a character named God as the primary antagonist. When you refer to this character, you write "G-d" rather than correctly spell it as "God." Why do you do this? I'm happy to start a List of Questions Errapin Stati Can't Answer if you dodge again. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by fset on Tue Oct 21 22:37:10 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 22:22:32 2014. I am posting this on an old Compaq HP with BIOS dated 08/21/2006, with limited memory. I am booting from a CD which has SlackoWare Puppy Linux.I downloaded slacko-5.7.0-PAE.iso from WinXP and burned the image to a CD. I've used Puppy Linux since May 2014 and had very few problems. It's small and loads into memory from the CD, which takes about 2 mins. I like it for an older laptop. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 21 22:59:34 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 22:22:32 2014. When you can act like something other than an asshole, get back to me with your question. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 23:10:24 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 21 22:59:34 2014. Ah, so you lied when you said that you were open to questions.When you can act like something other than an asshole... I'ver never acted like an asshole in the first place. If you wish to claim otherwise, you'd better have proff. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 21 23:38:07 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by fset on Tue Oct 21 22:37:10 2014. The different distros may not be able to crossbreed, but it sure invites a lot of genetic diversity. :-) |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by GAMera on Wed Oct 22 13:37:49 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Tue Oct 21 22:22:32 2014. Why don't you ask your question respectfully, the way it was asked here and perhaps you will receive a respectful response.Another, more detailed explanation Or did you know the answer already and are simply poking fun at people who believe in and practice their religion? |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 23 23:26:23 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by GAMera on Wed Oct 22 13:37:49 2014. Neither of those links explains why Errapin Stati personally does the "g-d" thing.In fact, neither of those links explain why anybody does it beyond the generic "it's just what we do, we've done it for so many generations we forgot how dumb the original reasons were." Assuming God actually did exist, what's wrong with saying his common English name? Does he get upset if something with his name on it gets discarded? How do you know that he finds that disrespectful he doesn't mind seeing his name mutilated? Why don't you ask your question respectfully... What's disrespectful about how I asked it? Or did you know the answer already and are simply poking fun at people who believe in and practice their religion? Ooh, you're not doing your friend Errapin Stati any favours here— he tried to claim that Judaism was open to questions, and now you're claiming that it's inherently disrespectful to ask any. By the way, you're free to take a stab at either of them yourself— Why do you believe in God? And why do you refuse to type the Please note that "it's what we do" and "it's what we've always done" and variations on that concept are not valid answers. If your answer depends on the truth of certain religious claims, I'll ask you why you believe those claims to be true so you can answer that preemptively if you so choose. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Oct 24 00:04:18 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 23 23:26:23 2014. Why don't you respect religion? |
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Re: errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 00:18:15 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by RockParkMan on Fri Oct 24 00:04:18 2014. Bad ideas are not entitled to respect. |
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Re: Niasshole, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:32:27 2014, in response to Re: errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 00:18:15 2014. Proff that they are bad ideas? |
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Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 08:34:59 2014, in response to Re: Niasshole, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:32:27 2014. They're factually incorrect but presented as true. |
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Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:41:31 2014, in response to Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 08:34:59 2014. WRONG! They are neither factually incorrect nor presented as true! Two strikes! Go for three! |
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Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 08:46:37 2014, in response to Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:41:31 2014. So you believe that God exists and that religions say he doesn't? |
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Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:55:44 2014, in response to Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 08:46:37 2014. No |
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Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 24 09:16:48 2014, in response to Re: Errapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Oct 24 08:55:44 2014. So then you lied again. |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 24 09:30:21 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by RockParkMan on Fri Oct 24 00:04:18 2014. He loves shitting on his father's corn flakes |
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Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't). |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 25 18:15:01 2014, in response to Re: Terrapin, I Can Install BSD (but you can't)., posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 24 09:30:21 2014. What does that even mean? |
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