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Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016 |
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Posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/14/senator-bernie-sanders-thinking-of-running-for-president-in-2016 |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 15 20:32:29 2014, in response to Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014. yay |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 20:33:54 2014, in response to Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014. If there is anyone that I want less than Hillary it is the Socialist |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 15 20:37:41 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 20:33:54 2014. lol |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 20:45:25 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 20:33:54 2014. Are you sleeping too well? Think about Bernie Sanders vs. Ted Cruz. |
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Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 20:53:54 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 20:33:54 2014. Well said. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 21:09:17 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 20:45:25 2014. Downright scary from both major parties. Unfortunately none of the Democrats I want have the desire to run for President in 2016 and the Republican I like the most cannot win the nomination |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 15 21:25:01 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 15 20:32:29 2014. Yay? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 15 22:22:20 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 15 21:25:01 2014. How does that turd sandwich taste?Betcha pretty good, since you like eatting shit. |
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Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 22:45:37 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 21:09:17 2014. the Republican I like the most cannot win the nominationAnd that is . . . ? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 23:13:23 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 22:45:37 2014. Jon Huntsman |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 23:31:28 2014, in response to Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014. Man ... he'd have MY vote ... just to piss off Olog. :) |
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Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016 |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 15 23:45:41 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 15 22:22:20 2014. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 23:49:22 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 15 23:45:41 2014. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 15 23:58:18 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 15 23:49:22 2014. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 00:24:02 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 15 23:58:18 2014. I remember that ... and Jim Carrey revealed years after his death that the whole thing was a setup and that the two of them were good friends. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 01:29:26 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Sep 15 21:25:01 2014. yep !YAY |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:20:57 2014, in response to Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014. He'd better stop thinking and start doing.On the one hand, party membership would be a bit of a problem since I doubt he'd be allowed to run as a Democrat. On the other hand, the Republicans Who Cried Socialist will have a hard time criticising him! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:28:43 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 03:20:57 2014. Heh. Good old Bernie, an anathema to both parties. What Nader COULD have been were it not for his ego making him trip over his dick. :) |
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Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 07:29:18 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Sep 15 23:13:23 2014. Nope. He's against equal rights. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 07:39:49 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 07:29:18 2014. Hillary Clinton is against equal rights. She does not want religious people to be able to freely exercise their religious beliefs |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 07:41:56 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 07:39:49 2014. How exactly? They are free to do so now, and she isn't about to change that.Just don't impose on others. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 07:50:15 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 07:41:56 2014. By supporting Judges/positions that won't allow them to exercise their rights to speak at public meetings (i.e. invocations), forcing them to sell their goods/services for events they disagree with (same sex weddings). That is just two examples |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 09:05:31 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 07:50:15 2014. People are free to pray quietly. I don't want to be part of some other religion's services.As for businesses, what if a person's religion prohibited "race mixing" and part of that proscription including not doing business with people of other races? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 09:07:22 2014, in response to Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by DAND124 on Mon Sep 15 19:41:24 2014. Too bad he'll never even come close. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 16 10:28:25 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 01:29:26 2014. Socialists don't like Muslims. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 16 10:28:56 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 01:29:26 2014. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 16 10:30:20 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 03:28:43 2014. Let me guess, you like Bernie Sanders. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 11:22:51 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 16 10:28:25 2014. huh ?wtf ? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 11:23:09 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 16 10:28:56 2014. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 11:27:40 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 07:50:15 2014. Permitting invocations presents a slippery slope that we really have no ned for in a secular democracy. One can pray among themselves prior to the meeting privately. Nobody's stopping that.Businesses that deal with the general public need to comprehend the concept of professionalism. The sole difference between a gay and hetero wedding cake is the ornament on top. Even there, there's plenty that include neither. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 11:47:05 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 11:27:40 2014. And private businesses should be free from government intrusion in determining who they serve when it does not violate the Constitution and last I checked there was no equal protection clause for LGBT like there is minorities and the case law has not mandated anti-discrimination protections for non-fundamental rights. Buying a wedding cake is not a fundamental right |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Sep 16 12:02:00 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 16 11:23:09 2014. Bbbbbbbb |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 16 12:36:58 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 11:47:05 2014. Buying a wedding cake is not a fundamental right"Buying a wedding cake" specifically may not be, but "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin" has been a fundamental right since 1964. There is no good reason sexual preference should not be included. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 12:44:59 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 11:47:05 2014. LGBT is a minority. Constitutional protections apply to all minorities. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 13:01:06 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 11:47:05 2014. And private businesses should be free from government intrusion in determining who they serve when it does not violate the Constitution and last I checked there was no equal protection clause for LGBT like there is minorities and the case law has not mandated anti-discrimination protections for non-fundamental rights.??? Where does the equal protection clause mention minorities? It says all persons deserve equal protection under the law. The only difference between minorities and LGBT is that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its successors only apply to the former. So what is inherently wrong about suggesting they be extended to additional classes of people? It's a matter of judgment, not the violation of a fundamental right of private businesses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:07:04 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 16 12:36:58 2014. AWESOME POST! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:10:23 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 16 12:36:58 2014. Sexual orientation is not listed and there is a perfectly good reason for sexual orientation to not be included: the free exercise of religion of the business owners. If I feel that doing something that furthers a same sex wedding means I am supporting it and my religious beliefs say otherwise I should be allowed to refuse to serve without threat of legal sanction |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:15:29 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:10:23 2014. That is not a good reason. The rights of people should not be subject to the arbitrary and capricious interpretation of religious beliefs by others. Once again, if some religion prohibited race mixing, would it be OK for practitioners of that religion to deny services to people of other races? What about denying a wedding cake to an interracial couple by someone who believes it's a sin to marry outside of one's race or to in any way support such a marriage? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:18:05 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:15:29 2014. Until a Court of competent jurisdiction equates the two there is a difference |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 13:22:30 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:18:05 2014. The two aren't equated because in most jurisdictions legislation mentions race but not sexual orientation. But you're dodging the question of whether legislation ought to be amended to include sexual orientation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:25:56 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:18:05 2014. We're not talking about actual legal precedent, we are talking about the way things ought to be. You stated that you disliked Hillary Clinton and why you did so. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:29:18 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 13:22:30 2014. Through legislation and not the Courts. I do not like that Hillary Clinton supports judicial nominees who would usurp what properly belongs to the legislature |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 13:34:39 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:29:18 2014. She doesn't support Justice Scalia. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:36:43 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:29:18 2014. But your claim was that you believe that her beliefs on this matter make her against people practicing your religion. That does not imply that you believe that it is a matter for the legislature.IMO, fundamental rights are not a matter for legislatures. Although regulation of private businesses is. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:39:42 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:36:43 2014. Yes, by supporting judicial nominees who would usurp the legislative function in this area she is preventing those who want to openly practice their religion by not legitimatizing same sex marriage from petitioning their legislators in support of that position because the Courts have taken that away |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:48:56 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:39:42 2014. But that implies that you believe that the religious rights of these people are subordinate to the will of a legislature, which means they're not really rights at all. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 16 14:46:01 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:18:05 2014. Until a Court of competent jurisdiction equates the two there is a differenceThere is legal precedent. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 15:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Socialist Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Sep 16 13:10:23 2014. No it does not. It means you are acting in a lawful and professional manner. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 16:06:01 2014, in response to Re: Senator Bernie Sanders 'thinking of running for president' in 2016, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 16 10:30:20 2014. A *lot* ... he's done a lot not only for Vermont, but for us as well. |
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