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My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 18:56:19 2014 What happened to Michael Brown Jr. in Ferguson, Missouri has resonated across the countrywith African Americans because all of us feel that it could have easily happened to any of us. Every black person has their own story of racial profiling, especially black men. Any white person, not just police, engages in racial profiling when they suspect, avoid, follow, report or challenge a black person simply because of their race and their own idea of where black people "belong." My own family is more typical than exceptional. I was about ten years old, and my family was living in a newly integrated part of Los Angeles in the 1960's. We had been on a family outing to the more exclusively white area of the San Fernando Valley. When returning at the end of the day, my father noticed a police car had begun following us. The police car followed us fully ten miles back to our neighborhood and didn't stop until my father pulled into the driveway of our own home. As we exited the car, the officer got out to question my father. I remember hearing the officer ask my father, "Where do you live?" Insulted and incredulous, my father responded, "I'm standing in front of my home." After inspecting his driver license, the officer left. But he left my father standing there, embarrassed as a grown man, humiliated in front of his family, and reminded once more that in spite of his college education, middle class home and tidy children, he was no more than a criminal suspect in the eyes of America. "The officer left my father standing there, embarrassed as a grown man, humiliated in front of his family." I had my own initiation freshman year at Harvard College. I had just left a matinee movie in Harvard Square and crossed the street into Harvard Yard to rendezvous with friends in Grays Hall (one of the Yard dorms). Suddenly, I noticed a strange sight, a Cambridge police car, with blue lights flashing, driving in the Yard! One of the things a freshman learns upon arriving at school is the unique legal boundaries that envelop most colleges in the United States: all campus buildings and students are policed by the University Police, non-students and the surrounding community is policed by the City of Cambridge Police. As I approached my destination, I surmised that a serious crime must have occurred in Grays Hall for the police to be violating that boundary. But suddenly I heard the screeching halt of the tires and the metallic disembarkation of the officers and noticed, as they crouched behind their opened car doors, that they had their hands poised above their gun holsters. Now my heart began to race and a fog of disorientation dissolved into the bracing reality that I was the emergency. It was a cold winter day and I had my hands deep in the pockets of my overcoat. The officers barked out their orders for me to, "Take your hands out of your pockets, SLOWLY." As they cautiously approached me I could see the gathering crowd on the steps of Grays Hall watching nervously as the episode unfolded. "My heart began to race and a fog of disorientation dissolved into the bracing reality that I was the emergency." The officers demanded my identification. Fortunately, I was carrying my college ID card and was able to prove that I belonged on campus. As they relaxed and began to return to their cars, I had demands of my own. "Why did you stop me?" Dismissively, they tossed a "You fit the description" over their shoulder. There had been a report of an assault by a black man in a white coat in the subway station at Harvard Square. Yes, I fit the description. I was a black man. This experience has stayed with me my entire life. It is a virtual rite of passage for every black boy. White boys lose their virginity, Jewish boys get bar mitvah'ed, and black boys have their first police stop. Now, I was a man. "I fit the description. I was a black man." This constant feeling of being under suspicion, under surveillance and perceived as a danger, is hard to shake. It first resulted in a rather comical experience that I had just a few months later. I was walking in the neighborhood where the campus and the community are indistinguishable. But I was apparently in front of a school-owned building because this incident involved the Harvard University Police. I was walking down a narrow side street about a block outside the Yard when I saw several Harvard Police cars with lights flashing and sirens sounding arriving from both directions. Panic stricken and totally convinced they were coming for me, I froze; heart pounding out of my head, waiting for the first bullet to strike, when at least a dozen officers got out of their cars, ran towards me and then without a word, ran right past me and into the house behind me. I continued my journey but I would still not trust that next time they would be coming for me. It is a testimony to the persistence of racial profiling that 35 years later (2009), on a street not far from that one, black Harvard professor (and close friend of President Barack Obama), Henry "Skip" Gates, would be arrested by Cambridge police officers for breaking and entering his own house. A white neighbor saw a suspicious black man forcing his way into a house. The police believed the white neighbor but disbelieved the professor who was in custody at the police department before he had the opportunity to prove that he belonged (in that house). My next experience was also in a college community. A white female classmate and I were going to lunch, and I was driving. Before we could reach our destination, a city cop pulled us over. He didn't ask for my driver license or registration. He asked her, "Are you alright?" While I was stunned and dumbfounded, she figured it out before I did. He saw a black man driving a white woman and deemed she needed saving. Finally, my son has had it harder that I had it. He has had so many experiences that he doesn't bother to tell me about them all. But this one was a gem. He and a friend were returning from a club late one night and got into a cab for a ride home. A few blocks away from the club, a police car pulled the cab over. Their first thought was that the cab driver had committed some traffic infraction. But instead of asking the driver for his license, the officers ordered my son and his friend to get out of the back seat and stand on the side walk. "'Riding a taxi while black' had now been added to the catalogue of '_______while black' crimes." Suddenly, they realized that the police weren't stopping the driver but the two of them. What was their crime? Apparently, "riding a taxi while black" had now been added to the catalogue of "_______while black" crimes. No charges, just a harassing "catch and release" action that is the most common outcome of these encounters. The presumption of guilt and danger that is at the heart of racial profiling lays heavy upon every black person living in America. It changes our relationship with the world. We are constantly on guard against a charge, a confrontation, a challenge. Racial profiling does long-term damage to the self-image, self-esteem and ego of the African American. huff post - told the truth ! |
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Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 20:35:59 2014, in response to My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 18:56:19 2014. I wonder if the racist troll Olog will read this post |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 29 22:12:07 2014, in response to Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 20:35:59 2014. Streetcar, sorry I'm not Olog but I'd like to tell an experience I had as a cop. I was in the 111 Pct in Queens when we get a burglar alarm call in Little Neck, a predominately white neighborhood. Alarm jobs are 99% accidental trips so they're not taken as seriously as a 911 call. When we show up we see a black man loading musical equipment into the trunk of his car in the driveway. To us it looked completely legit, probably a band member going to a gig. He was dressed nicely and it certainly didn't look like a burglary. But on a radio call the cops MUST investigate. We would be wrong if we just left. So I got out of the radio car and said "excuse me sir, is this your house?", a question I would have asked anyone regardless of ethnicity. Well the guy got very defensive and started making all kinds of accusations that we only stopped him because he's black. I told him about the alarm and asked him to check it for himself. He did but was still defensive. I told him he should be glad we question someone when his alarm goes off. That's what he pays the alarm company for. No matter what I said he continued with the accusations. You see, as a cop sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 29 22:39:19 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 29 22:12:07 2014. {munching on popcorn and waiting to see how this is going to end up} |
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Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 23:16:41 2014, in response to Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 20:35:59 2014. You're the only racist troll between us two, streetcarracist.Not buying the word of another TUCC knockoff (PUCC) "pastor". Especially when he's been pushing other liberal anti-Christian causes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 23:18:06 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 29 22:12:07 2014. Thanks for restoring trust. Problem is, when you have saturation of NOI propaganda, you're up against a virtual brick wall. |
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Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 01:04:07 2014, in response to My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 18:56:19 2014. thtle corrected |
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Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 01:04:19 2014, in response to My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 29 18:56:19 2014. title corrected |
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Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 01:05:15 2014, in response to Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 29 20:35:59 2014. no |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:19:27 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 29 22:12:07 2014. Let me tell you...Jeff Rosen.......I live in the area served by the 111th and they don't anything worth their salaries. I've had 2 cars stolen in my area. They didn't anything for me at all....told me it was a "fact of life" here in the area. We have constant issues with drivers speeding...they do nothing about.As for you issue with the Black American, it is ALL about the presentation. Asking "is this your house" is akin to saying....you don't belong in this area. You were promoting White privilege without even knowing it. Would you say that to a White person? NO....but yes to a Black American. There are several ways to talk to people in a PROFESSIONAL MANNER. Cops miss this point when dealing with minorities, especially White cops. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:20:23 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 29 22:39:19 2014. Don't fill your face up too much with that popcorn, your brain with explode like Olog-bird's did. |
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Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:21:34 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 23:18:06 2014. Trust? so you agree in promoting racism and White privilege. |
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Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:25:21 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 29 23:16:41 2014. "You're the only racist troll between us two, streetcarracist.Not buying the word of another TUCC knockoff (PUCC) "pastor". Especially when he's been pushing other liberal anti-Christian causes. " WHY ARE YOU IN DENIAL OF RACISM? CAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE? YOU DENY PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH RACISM AND CALL THEM ALL LIARS......TYPICAL OF THE CONSERVATIVE/RW ILK...... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:27:25 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 01:04:07 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 05:35:20 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:19:27 2014. "Is this your house?" Is a question they ask everybody.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:03:06 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 05:35:20 2014. "'Is this your house?' Is a question they ask everybody.With proper training, they would have approached the man with a better question instead of being so direct about it. It happened to me once, here at my place.....but neither cop asked if I live there ........if I was Black, then it would be a different story. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 06:20:59 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:03:06 2014. I've been asked that question a couple times before. I really didn't think anything of itYour pal, Fred |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:27:30 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 06:20:59 2014. "I've been asked that question a couple times before. I really didn't think anything of it "I agree with you 100 percent....but to a Black American, it is insulting, due to decades or discrimination. The experience of discrimination is not something that you can wipe away from people's minds....Fred. Unless you've been there....you'll never know......did you get a chance to read my post about the "riding the bike?" It is explain in very simple terms for all to understand. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 07:27:56 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 05:19:27 2014. it is ALL about the presentation...There are several ways to talk to people in a PROFESSIONAL MANNER.How should Sgt. Rosen have handled the situation? What dialog would not have been offensive to a Black American? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 07:53:18 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 07:27:56 2014. Don't you know streetcarwaltermitty knows everything? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 09:38:40 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 07:27:56 2014. "How should Sgt. Rosen have handled the situation? What dialog would not have been offensive to a Black American?"YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. IF YOU WORK IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, THEN YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ACT TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER. THE SAME IS THE EXPECTATION OF ALL POLICE DEPTS. ACROSS AMERICA WHEN DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC. IF YOU ARE GOING TO COME OFF CRUDE AND INSENSITIVE, THEN YOU WILL GET A NEGATIVE RESPONSE, WHETHER YOUR AN BLACK AMERICAN OR NOT. THIW |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 09:40:16 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 07:53:18 2014. HEY BIRD HEAD......WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MUCH HATRED TOWARD HUMANITY? WHY DID YOU SUPPORT SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID? DO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN EQUALITY FOR ALL? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 10:09:26 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 09:38:40 2014. I wasn't asking a rhetorical question.I wanted input from a person who might been offended. That person would have more insight and experience than either myself or Sgt. Rosen. I had hoped to discover how to rectify this situation more quickly than by a process of elimination. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 10:42:55 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 09:38:40 2014. Police are charged with an entirely different set of rules and responsibilities than corporate America tho. They sometimes have to ask questions that may not be politically correct.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 13:54:10 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 09:38:40 2014.  |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 13:55:12 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 13:54:10 2014. omg |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 30 14:09:02 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 05:35:20 2014. Read carefully what he has written, It's okay to ask a white person if this is their house but he suggests treating black people differently! Racism? I have a friend who lives in the 111th Pct. on 215th St. He has no problem with the way they do their job. I've never been stopped or harassed when I visit there. Queens just happens to be the car-theft capital of NYC, Bayside and Astoria being the areas most targeted. I guess he would prefer that the police not be as vigilant in those areas while stopping car thefts. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:45:29 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 10:09:26 2014. There are many variables when dealing with the public. I work in retail and I deal with the public everyday. When someone walks into a store, do you know if they are buying, looking or there to steal. You really don't......unless you're a MIND-READER....are you Stephen Bauman? is Jeff Rosen a mind-reader? I don't know exactly when Jeff Rosen was a cop at the 111th, but if it was before 1980, yes, there were limited resources to find out "who lives there." He said he saw the person loading up the car in the driveway. Why did he not go to a neighbor's house anywhere around the house to ask if that person knew who the person was loading the car. If not, then Rosen could of called into the station house and ran the plate on the car. If in current times, a picture might appear at the stationhouse. Then he could be told "who lives there."If Rosen did not want to go that route, a simple: "excuse me sir, are you related or a friend of the owner of the house? " remember, body language and the tone of the voice DO account for something here of the cop. If the cop come off as being OVERLY demonstrative, your going to get a negative response. Plus, at the time Rosen was a cop, I don't know how much training he received during the course of his tenure as a cop. Yes, they all go to a police academy before rolling out onto the streets, but training is an ONGOING EFFECT when dealing with the PUBLIC. In retail, every so often, we are updated on how to dealing with the public. Simple....plain and simple. RESPECT goes a long way. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:47:36 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 30 10:42:55 2014. "They sometimes have to ask questions that may not be politically correct."OK.....that does not mean a cop has to have a belligerent attitude toward the public or certain types of the public at large. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:48:45 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 13:54:10 2014. Did your parents beat some common sense into you yet? or is it Olog-hai Jr. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:49:18 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 13:55:12 2014. He is definitely Olog-hai Jr. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:52:32 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Aug 29 22:12:07 2014. Can you give up some more details about that particular event? was it at night or daytime? did you yell at him from across the street? what year did this happen? 1967? 1989? 2001? I know you indicated a few times that you're retired from the force. How much training did you receive during your tenure with the force? was it just training at the academy? or something else after the initial training? We would all like to know since I honestly have no knowledge of the inter-workings of the NYPD. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 15:02:16 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 30 14:09:02 2014. Say train trash dude.....I LIVE IN THE AREA OF THE 111th Pct. I know how they are. I have lived here long enough to know. Is you friend who lives on 215st African-American?I have had 2 car stolen from the 111th area. In both events, the 111th did nothing for me or my neighbors in the area. I rarely ever see them patrolling by foot or in the cruiser. So if no one runs around at night watching, sure....theft of cars goes up. Theft of tires as well. Lets get back to this statement: " It's okay to ask a white person if this is their house but he suggests treating black people differently! Racism?" Cops who patrol a certain usually have some idea who lives in the area they manage. Also, there are various ways in 2014 to get any type of info as one's figure tips. DVM, property records, tax records, etc. Yes......most if not all patrol cars in the NYPD have some kind of access to data. When Jeff Rosen was on patrol, maybe not, but at the station house, he had a way to communicate and find out info. Does a robbery EQUAL DEATH? maybe...maybe not. In Little Neck.....not really. Little Neck is a close-knit area...at least some parts are. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 15:38:18 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?,, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:48:45 2014.  |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 15:45:55 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?,, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:49:18 2014.  |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 30 15:46:35 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 15:45:55 2014. RIGHT ! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 16:40:30 2014, in response to Re: My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home?, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 30 15:38:18 2014. Nah; just his brain. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 30 17:09:13 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:47:36 2014. What about my post was belligerent? I feel you're just trying to be argumentative. A burglar alarm went off in the guy's house and when we arrived the gentleman was taking things out of the house and putting it in his car. Although my instinct told me that he was legit because of my job I had to investigate. What should I have asked, "how's the weather?" Now, in reality on an alarm job with someone taking stuff out of the house I had every right to jump out of the car with guns drawn and every right to ask him for I.D. But all I did was ask "is this your house?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 30 17:18:38 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:47:36 2014. There was nothing belligerent about the way he described it, you dumb beaver. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 30 17:20:57 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:45:29 2014. In my post I stated "excuse me sir, is this your house?" How is that different than your suggestion "excuse me sir, are you related or a friend of the owner of the house?" How is it more offensive?Now you don't know me, except but what I write. I have always been very tactful and diplomatic on the street. If I had to stop someone based on a description I told them that they fir the description. To be honest I was embarrassed by the cops who would just yell "shut up and get against the wall" without an explanation and as a supervisor let them know I'm not happy with that type of attitude. But then again, I don't feel I have to justify myself to you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 30 17:45:52 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 30 17:09:13 2014. What about my post was belligerent?Nothing. I feel you're just trying to be argumentative No kidding. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 30 19:18:27 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 30 17:20:57 2014. If he paid taxes while you were on the force you do. If he paid taxes while you collect a pension you do. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 30 19:43:08 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 15:02:16 2014. Are you mistaken for African American? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 30 20:34:40 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 14:45:29 2014. Thank you for your answer. My background is engineering not retail. The only charm I was taught was a type of quark.Now suppose the officer followed your second suggested method and raised the question you posed. Was the person to whom the question was addressed under any obligation not to react with hostility? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 30 21:48:09 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Aug 30 06:27:30 2014. LOL!So when the question is asked of a white person it's not insulting, but when asked of a black person it is. Hmmm...isn't the the definition of racist? Something said is insulting to one race but not another race? |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Aug 30 21:49:45 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 30 19:18:27 2014. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 06:03:14 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 30 19:43:08 2014. So...not into answering my questions? typical loser! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 06:04:24 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 30 19:18:27 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 06:08:51 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Aug 30 17:20:57 2014. "But then again, I don't feel I have to justify myself to you. "So who do you feel justified to then? GOD? I grew up in the Queens/Nassau area. I know the deal there. There is a right way and a wrong away to approach situations. I was not there to examine your deed that day. As far as the "do you own this house " question, you did not state when this happened, like what year. I gave you examples, but you as a former cop, don't care. I asked about your training, was it constant over your tenure, you declined to answer. So all these questions remain UNANSWERED which is why there are poor public relations between the NYPD and the public over the cops attitudes towards the public. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Aug 31 06:09:38 2014, in response to Re: Say Olog-bird.....did you read this yet?, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 30 21:49:45 2014. awesome...so you agree with her. That would be the correct response Dave. |
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