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For all you Polar Vortex deniers... |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:22:02 2014 Welcome to your BUTTHURT! |
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Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers... |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:25:18 2014, in response to For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:22:02 2014. Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy |
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Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers... |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 05:57:39 2014, in response to For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:22:02 2014. The Polar Vortex has been created by Santa, who has gotten tired of putting coal in the stockings of the naughty and has decided on direct punishment. |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:14:25 2014, in response to For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:22:02 2014. Polar vortex "deniers"?The Wikipedia page on "Polar Vortex" was edited over a hundred times between 1/6/14 and 1/8/14. Tells me all I need to know. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 11:25:21 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:14:25 2014. So? That's because all the Polar Vortex deniers keep fucking with it, then it has to be corrected and put back. All the more reason they need to issue licenses to would be authors at Wikipedia. One needs a sense of fact at minimum. |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers… |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:32:10 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 11:25:21 2014. Nobody denies the polar vortex; it's been there the whole time, and I remember seeing it for decades on winter weather maps that TV meteorologists like to use. It's the AGW freaks that keep editing the page to fit their agenda."Right now, it's minus ten degrees at the airport . . . which is stupid, because I don't know anyone who lives at the airport!" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 10 11:43:59 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 05:57:39 2014. It's actually easier to move the North Pole to the people rather than have to travel there, this with Santa's old age and the like.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:49:16 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 10 11:43:59 2014. Santa sure is giving the Ice Road Truckers a lot of biz, eh? |
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Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers... |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 11:59:29 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 05:57:39 2014. LOL! Coal stopped being a punishment in Nixon's time.....now it's a warm reward! |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers… |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 12:17:11 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:32:10 2014. Oh? The RWers do. Your radio broken?I'm quite certain that the latest raft of page mods are by RWers. Just look to Drugbo for the cause. |
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Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers... |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 12:51:24 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 11:25:21 2014. All the more reason they need to issue licenses to would be authors at Wikipedia.An admin can place various levels of restrictions on editing when things go really wild, starting with preventing unregistered users and novices from editing. |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers… |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:55:41 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers…, posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 12:17:11 2014. The nonexistent people again?As for certainty, I checked and the vast majority of editors were registered users. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:56:33 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 12:51:24 2014. The Polar Vortex page is now locked for non-registered users. Looks like the AGW nuts won that one. |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 10 15:21:21 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:14:25 2014. Gets his history from Wikipedia and wonders why everyone is laughing uncontrollably. |
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Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 10 15:42:04 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 10 15:21:21 2014. +1 |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 16:41:39 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:55:41 2014. Non existent? They provided a revenue-generating audience for way too long for Drugbo. They exist. They should be banned from Wikipedia however. LOL! |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 16:46:18 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 12:51:24 2014. Agreed and understood. However, that often takes time. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jan 10 16:48:48 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers…, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:56:33 2014. Good. As it should be. Science based science is the way to go here. Climate change should not be a political football, and radio hatespeak clowns have no business interfering with science and spreading lies to their ignorant audience. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 28 17:34:36 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 10 15:21:21 2014. Guess you didn't know how to read last winter? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 28 17:42:13 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 28 17:34:36 2014. Yeah, well all did ... right wing crazies on the rampage, Al Roker shoots, he scores.Hey Sam ... play it again ... :-\ http://www.today.com/video/today/54010676#54010676 |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Jul 28 20:00:09 2014, in response to Re: For all you AGW-nonexistence deniers..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 11:14:25 2014. Defending the interests of evil oil company stockholders should earn you a trip thru a tree chipper. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 28 20:15:41 2014, in response to Re: For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 10 05:57:39 2014. And Rudolph with his red nose could somehow, with an extreme stretch of the imagination, justify a polar Kotex! |
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Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:41 2014, in response to For all you Polar Vortex deniers..., posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 9 20:22:02 2014. After all, claiming that the moon landing didn't happen only requires assuming that a few thousand people working for one organisation keep quiet about something they claim happened over 200,000 miles away, which they faked due to the immense political pressure to one-up the Soviet Union. It's absurd, of course— if the NSA can't keep its spying a secret for a few years despite secret-keeping being an essential part of its purpose, do you really think NASA could keep this a secret for decades? There'd be a dozen Ed Snowdens proving it was faked by 1970. Still, it's within eyesight of the outer reaches of plausibility compared to denying global warming.Claiming that global warming is a myth requires assuming that millions of people, from all over the planet, with very different political and economic motivations have somehow managed to keep quiet about something they claim is happening everywhere on Earth where anybody can verify it, in spite of the fact that every single one of them has no incentive to do so and every incentive to tell everything. After all, a scientist who could actually prove that global warming wasn't happening would be world-renowned for his genius and then be able to top it off by collecting a few million in speaking fees from the right wing. |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:23:51 2014, in response to Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:41 2014. The Ologs of this world claim that the temperature sensors are being influenced by artificial heat sources like cities and airports, and that if you put them elsewhere you would not see warming. The claim does not require a worldwide conspiracy; it just requires worldwide incompetence.Meanwhile, the Chrises of this world don't deny that the world is warmer than in 1900. They just say there is no evidence that the phenomenon is catastrophic (or even serious) in nature. Finally there are those who wonder if maybe the models aren't accounting for negative feedback effects. They ask "Are you sure the warming will go on at the rate you are predicting?" They ask the scientists to explain graphs like this and this, which show no global warming since the historically very hot year of 1998. |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 2 20:50:45 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:23:51 2014. The Ologs of this world claim that the temperature sensors are being influenced by artificial heat sources like cities and airportsStop making stuff up. Meanwhile, the Chrises of this world don't deny that the world is warmer than in 1900 Stop making stuff up. Finally there are those who wonder if maybe the models aren't accounting for negative feedback effects The "models" are based on an atmosphere that does not exist on Earth. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 23:49:07 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:23:51 2014. So you're saying we should tear down all them weather stations we built out in the hills and move them down to Albany's downtown so we can have more accurate warmness for the righties? :) |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 23:51:06 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 2 20:50:45 2014. So you're saying that we really DID go to Mars? Did anybody wave out the window at Newt Gingrich on the way there? :)
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 3 00:03:57 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 23:51:06 2014. Newt does what he wants, especially with respect to the subject of this deformed thread. Either way, an atmosphere with no water in it doesn't exist on Earth. |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 3 00:11:18 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 3 00:03:57 2014. See this? This is a WATER VAPOR model ... necessary because that's how they track warming! :)Heating moves water vapor away from the equator and the movement causes what's near the poles to head south when there's enough warmth to displace it. Makes it cold in the Poconos sometimes.  Welcome to earth ... you may deflate your shoes ... stay a spell! |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 13:52:46 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 2 20:23:51 2014. The Ologs of this world claim that the temperature sensors are being influenced by artificial heat sources like cities and airports, and that if you put them elsewhere you would not see warming. The claim does not require a worldwide conspiracy; it just requires worldwide incompetence.It's still patently ridiculous, in no small part because the temperature sensors are (a) worldwide and all over the place, and (b) simply confirming what we already know must be the case by simple physics— more energy comes into the Earth than leaves it. Although I think that's more Broadway Lion's schtick than Olog's. Olog's approach is to simply assert an absurd claim and then run away as soon as he's pressed on it. Meanwhile, the Chrises of this world don't deny that the world is warmer than in 1900. They just say there is no evidence that the phenomenon is catastrophic (or even serious) in nature. Ah, first world white privilege at its finest. If you think global warming isn't serious, try moving to Syria and seeing how harmless it is for yourself. Or just stick around— it's just gonna get worse from here on out. Finally there are those who wonder if maybe the models aren't accounting for negative feedback effects. They ask "Are you sure the warming will go on at the rate you are predicting?" That's still a conspiracy theory— it requires assuming that millions of experts with little in common except a strong incentive to disprove global warming are deliberately suppressing evidence that, claims the conspiracy theorist, is so obvious even a layman like him can see it. They ask the scientists to explain graphs like this and this, which show no global warming since the historically very hot year of 1998. What's there to explain? Your own source shows the temperature keeps rising. I'm not sure where you got the idea that global warming somehow stopped in 1998. |
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Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 13:52:48 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 2 20:50:45 2014. Stop making stuff up.OK then, tell us what you do believe. And why. Also, are you under the impression that adding a question mark to the subject line somehow makes it less true? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 13:56:21 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 13:52:46 2014. Your own source shows the temperature keeps rising. I'm not sure where you got the idea that global warming somehow stopped in 1998.Look at the second graph. No increases on average from 1998 to 2014. Admittedly, 1998 was very hot relative to prior years. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:06:05 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 13:56:21 2014. The second graph doesn't even cover 20 years. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:11:21 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:06:05 2014. The second graph doesn't even cover 20 years.Excellent observation. From 1998 to the present isn't 20 years. That's why it doesn't cover 20 years. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:14:37 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:11:21 2014. Yes, which means it doesn't actually show the magnitude of global warming.As the planet heats up, "exceptionally hot" becomes the new normal. I won't claim to be an expert in climate science, but all the people who are experts say that global warming most definitely did not stop in 1998, and claiming they're all hiding some secret truth despite having every incentive to reveal it is just as much a conspiracy theory as claiming no global warming happened at all. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:19:45 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:14:37 2014. all the people who are experts say that global warming most definitely did not stop in 1998Sources? My source, which is NASA by the way, indicates that if they said it they would be wrong. I think you are misinterpreting. I think what the experts are saying is that they believe the current hiatus is temporary and that more warming is coming soon. But that wasn't the point I was making. I was pointing out that they aren't explaining why the hiatus has happened at all. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:29:19 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:19:45 2014. Sources? My source, which is NASA by the way, indicates that if they said it they would be wrong.Um, roughly all climate scientists in the world? You didn't link to an article— does NASA actually say global warming is on hiatus or did you just assume that from the graph? I think you are misinterpreting. I think what the experts are saying is that they believe the current hiatus is temporary and that more warming is coming soon. But that wasn't the point I was making. I was pointing out that they aren't explaining why the hiatus has happened at all. I think you might be misinterpreting. That the temperature hasn't gone up consistently year in and year out doesn't mean that global warming has stopped, even temporarily. 1998 was only 16 years ago— not enough time for the average temperature to exceed what used to be an extreme outlier. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:35:28 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 16:29:19 2014. That the temperature hasn't gone up consistently year in and year out doesn't mean that global warming has stopped, even temporarily. 1998 was only 16 years ago— not enough time for the average temperature to exceed what used to be an extreme outlier.The graph means no more and no less than that global warming has paused for 16 years. It certainly doesn't mean that it has stopped permanently, and I never said that. But it does mean it has stopped for 16 years. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Aug 3 16:45:18 2014, in response to Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 2 19:56:41 2014. It was not the skeptics who falsified their numbers; it was the alarmist hockey-stick team at the University of East Anglia in England and their international collaborators. AGW is at best a boy who cried wolf now, apart from for a bunch of ends-justify-the-means green lefty types. Slandering skeptics as "deniers" is the last resort of a scoundrel. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 3 16:58:45 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Aug 3 16:45:18 2014. AGW is at best a boy who cried wolf nowAnd the 4th time around the wolf really was there. That's the trouble. Temperatures today are considerably lower than they were predicted to be 20 years ago. But they still are significantly higher than 1970. Many very reputable scientists believe the warming will be very bad, even though earlier models were wrong. My totally unscientific suspicion is that warming will continue at a lesser rate than projected, but still one that will cause trouble for the world and will need to be addressed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Aug 3 18:13:10 2014, in response to Re: Denying Global Warming Is More Ridiculous Than Denying The Moon Landing, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Aug 3 16:45:18 2014. And there you go with the absurd conspiracy theories.Would you care to explain how the several million climate scientists who are struggling to warn us about the dangers of global warming are somehow all suppressing a truth they'd gain fame and fortune by revealing? |
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