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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:30:55 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:21:08 2014.

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Iawtlp

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 05:40:35 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:24:37 2014.

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Hahahahahaha!

"Liberals" WERE the original republican party, at least compared to today. Why do you think the disparaging nonsense of "RINO" keeps coming up?

But hey ... keep destroying the USA ... you at least have somewhere else to go when you've finished the job. Most of the rest of us DON'T. Therefore, we're gonna take a stand and stop the GOP.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:36 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 05:40:35 2014.

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You Never considered yourself a conservative?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:47 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 23:48:30 2014.

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The republican party was NEVER a liberal party.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 05:50:16 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:36 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Conservative back in the 1960's and 1970'ds meant something COMPLETELY different from what it's been dragged through the mud as meaning ever since Reagan. It meant MAINTAINING America, it's values of forever making things better, PAYING for what needed to be done, balanced budget, take care of your own.

Now all it means is "fuck everybody else" ... no sale.



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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 05:52:25 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:47 2014.

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So history has been completely revised by the baggers, eh? Illinois' own Paul Simon. Barry Goldwater. Everett Dirksen ... and the list goes on. All RINOS, eh? Maybe to Olog, but those were the REAL republicans. They cared about America and worked things out for EVERYONE's benefit. :(

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:54:11 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 05:50:16 2014.

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Your opinion of Milton Friedman?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 06:00:17 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:54:11 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
A VERY misguided individual. All of his theories turned to shit. I side with Krugman, because he was so so wrong over and over again. Chicago Business School should be disbanded and scrapped like an Alco locomotive for the very same reason - all smoke, no traction.


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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 06:56:42 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:23:48 2014.

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No, it costs money, and the world isnt paying for it. It costs a lot of money, and for people who scream debt debt debt have no problem paying 500 billion annually so we can help countries 10,000 miles away in a conflict that has no bearing on the US economy. Thats why we lost 50,000 men and its proof you dont value the life of an American if you are willing to throw them into a conflict which we dont belong.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:52:25 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:16:55 2014.

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No he's not. He's just misinformed.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 30 08:20:10 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:22:46 2014.

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Huh?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 30 08:20:48 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:22:46 2014.

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I am quite positive that you don't have a clue.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 30 08:28:42 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:24:37 2014.

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It was awfully "Liberal" to fight for Civil Rights when the Democrats were controlled by the Strom Thurmond's of the world

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 08:42:53 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 30 08:28:42 2014.

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That was before 1932, which was during the nadir of race relations. Neither party did anything for civil rights back then.

When the Republicans AND Democrats fought for civil rights, Strom Thurmond was in his own party.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 08:49:25 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:54:11 2014.

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He was right about a lot of things. I disagree with him about professional licensure.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 09:37:41 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 30 08:28:42 2014.

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Ah are the democrats really for civil rights. It seems that they dropped their support for slavery in favor of welfare - a new kind of slavery. And then convinced the slaves that they should vote for the new masters.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 09:42:41 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 09:37:41 2014.

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LOL!

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 09:42:42 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:14:28 2014.

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Here, will. Maybe this will help you evolve.



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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:00:02 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 06:00:17 2014.

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Of course you don't like him.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:02:43 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 08:49:25 2014.

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I'm baffled. By professional licensure, you mean that was against licensing people?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:05:32 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:02:43 2014.

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I don't remember anymore, but in his book he was against medical licensure. I don't know if he extended it to other forms of professional licensure, but given that they are equally a restraint on trade, I would think so.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:07:30 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:05:32 2014.

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Of course doctors, people who fly, drive, and so forth should be licensed. If not, that would be absurd.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:14:09 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:22:46 2014.

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Exactly as I said. Again, I agree with most of your posts, yet you seem to have a personal issue with me.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:14:53 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:00:02 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
He is wrong on every account. All giving the rich more money does is foster greed. Greed is only good in the movies. It does NOT WORK in the real world.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 10:15:46 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:14:53 2014.

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Good morning Bingbong.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:19:07 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:14:53 2014.

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Friedman favored a negative income tax.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:19:30 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:47 2014.

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ROTFLMAO,!!

Nixon was a crook, but he also got the EPA up and running. Seems people were tired of their lakes and rivers burning.

So it's ironic to see so many RWers seeking to tear it down, yet expect to be able to breathe air and drink water afterward.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:24:54 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:46:47 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Never heard of the "Radical Republicans" like Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA)? He was beaten to within an inch of his life in the Senate chamber by Conservative Representative Preston Brooks (D-SC).

You can click the above paragraph.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 30 10:35:21 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 03:49:35 2014.

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+100

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 10:35:56 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 09:37:41 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yes since more white people are on it, does that make white people the slaves then?



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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 10:38:24 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 30 03:49:35 2014.

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Olog wants the US to lose 50000 soldiers like we did in Vietnam.... He doesnt value american life. He wants us to fix other nations problems while we struggle to fix ours, he wants us to spend money on wars while we are in debt.

Then olog wonders why we make fun of him and dont take him seriously. His mindset is as anti american as they come.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 30 10:38:57 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 30 10:35:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I didn't mention race. Welfare is welfare regardless of who collects it. Do you see it differently?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:44:05 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 08:42:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Thurmond was a Democrat for many years AFTER 1948. He later became republic that happened in the 1964 after the Civil Rights bill passed..

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:46:58 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:19:07 2014.

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Which they did, and as a result wages froze at levels close to what they were when it was enacted, in 1978.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:51:04 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:44:05 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
In 1948 he was a "Dixiecrat." IINM when he was elected to the Senate he was independent. Even if he was a Democrat for various purpose, like being part of their caucus, he and others like him were of decreasing importance. But it took longer for the Republicans to embrace the South. That didn't happen until 1968 and took still longer to take full effect.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 30 10:52:52 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 05:27:38 2014.

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Since when is criticizing Israeli government policy, particularly a war which borders on genocide, antisemitic?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Gamera on Wed Jul 30 10:57:08 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 30 10:52:52 2014.

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How about calling it genocide when it is far from that.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:58:34 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 10:46:58 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The EITC was implemented in 1975 and is not a true negative income tax because it's not available to people who don't work at all.

Also, correlation doesn't imply causation. There are other factors behind wage stagnation.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 11:07:38 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:58:34 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I agree there are other factors, but this correlation rings way too true to be dismissed as a major factor like that.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 11:10:05 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 10:05:32 2014.

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You don't agree that people should have the confidence that a professional they encounter or receive a service from has a basic level of competency?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 11:20:19 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 11:07:38 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Correlations, no matter how true they ring, still don't imply causation.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 11:21:05 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 30 11:10:05 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Do you bother to read threads before responding?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 11:32:42 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 30 10:52:52 2014.

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Israel is The biblical homeland for the Jews.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 11:47:46 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 30 11:32:42 2014.

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That's insufficient justification for the existence of Israel. Zionism is a secular ideology.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 30 12:30:22 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 11:47:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're right, Israel shouldn't exist and all if the Jews should be killed. Would that make your life better?

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 12:31:26 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 30 12:30:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You, like bingbong, should learn to read.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 12:33:31 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 11:47:46 2014.

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Tell me you did not just say that.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 30 12:34:47 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 12:31:26 2014.

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While I'm learning how to read, here's something for you to read.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionism

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 30 12:35:18 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 12:33:31 2014.

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Of course he did.

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Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 30 12:47:54 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 30 12:33:31 2014.

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I've been saying it for years. The Bible is fictional and should not be used as a justification for the existence of Israel. Such a justification falls flat for me.

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