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US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 09:05:03 2014 John Kerry should be banned from Israel. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:15:57 2014, in response to US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 09:05:03 2014. If they're going to deny their only real ally's chief foreign service officer the ability to negotiate and end the war they've started then that ally should show them just how lonely the world can get when they're truly alone. After all, you want the budget cut, so start with foreign military aid to Israel and Egypt. If they don't want us as allies then they shouldn't want our money either. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 09:42:23 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:15:57 2014. Let's get this straight. The U.S. and Israel are friends. obama, and what poses now as the current democrat party and Israel and the Jews are not friends. Anyone who pressures Isreal into giving away land to so-called palestinians, is no friend to Israel and the Jewish people. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:46:34 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:15:57 2014. Israel didn't start the war. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:58:46 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:46:34 2014. But they did, in retaliation for the kidnapping and murder of three boys. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:58:46 2014. FALSE! Hamas escalated its rocket attacks in retaliation for the murder of the one boy, who was murdered in retaliation for the murder of the three boys. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:20:34 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014. EXACTLY. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:21:10 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:58:46 2014. Wrong. See the Pig's post. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 29 10:25:58 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014. +1 |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:28:03 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 09:46:34 2014. You're right. Now will you please make up your mind? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:28:24 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014. And might we add that the murder of the one boy was reprehensible and should not have happened (same as with the three boys). |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:29:00 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:28:03 2014. About what? You keep asking me that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:30:28 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:28:24 2014. Of course! But Israel quickly found the alleged culprits and arrested them. If they are guilty they will likely spend life in prison. What has the Palestinian government done to find the killers of the three boys? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:32:43 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 10:29:00 2014. Many of your posts, as a matter most of your posts leads me to believe that you are conservative. Yet you always criticize me. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:33:48 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:32:43 2014. Have these posts constituted a complete enough picture of his beliefs to allow you to make that judgment? I don't think so. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:37:23 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:33:48 2014. Such as? What are our similarities? And what our differences? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 29 10:46:24 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 10:32:43 2014. Did it ever occur to you that maybe Terrapin is "Conservative" on certain issues and "Liberal" on others? Neither major party has a platform that I agree with 100% |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 12:04:06 2014, in response to US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 09:05:03 2014. Kerry should be banned from Earth. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 12:27:35 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 12:04:06 2014. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 12:46:15 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:30:28 2014. Throw a party and pass out candies. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 12:50:08 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014. They also escalated in response to having a bunch of their guys (re)arrested, and not charged or released. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014, in response to US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 29 09:05:03 2014. This whole administration is in over its head. Putin is having a field day, illegal immigrants are pouring across the border, Israel and Hamas are locked in the worst battle in years and Obama is utterly helpless.I'm not saying Romney would have been better. But this is awful. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 12:52:55 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 29 12:46:15 2014. In my country there is problemAnd that problem is the Jew They take everybody money And they never give it back Throw the jew down the well So my country can be free You must grab him by his horns Then we have a big party If you see the Jew coming You must be careful of his teeth You must grab him by his money And I tell you what to do |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 12:54:12 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014. Yawn |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 13:00:50 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014. Putin's having a field day? The rebels are only holding on because Russia is firing on Ukrainian forces. The EU is finally on board for more sanctions. Congress (mainly the House) refuses to do anything except tell Obama to enforce the law, but won't authorize any money for immigration reform. And Hamas and Israel was a powder keg waiting to happen. What do expect Obama to do about the latter - military action? As if Israel needs military help? We're already sharing intelligence about Hamas' infrastructure. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 13:01:57 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 12:52:55 2014. Doesn't really rhyme. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 13:34:23 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 13:01:57 2014. Neither does Shakespeare. It's called blank verse. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 13:36:57 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jul 29 10:46:24 2014. But if you're a nilettante, everyone's right-wing. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 13:41:18 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:15:57 2014. If they're going to deny their only real ally's chief foreign service officer the ability to negotiate and end the warPerhaps this should suggest to President Obama that John Kerry is an incompetent, self-aggrandizing waste-of-space who should be fired. That would be an intrinsically popular decision at home too: the majority of Americans rejected him on the same grounds nearly ten years ago. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 14:10:58 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 13:41:18 2014. No; Obama knew what he was doing by appointing both Kerry and Hillary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 14:12:09 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Jul 29 13:34:23 2014. Shakespeare mixed blank verse with rhyming verse in a lot of his plays. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 15:25:35 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 13:01:57 2014. That's sort of part of the point. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 29 15:25:56 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:30:28 2014. +18 |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 15:58:03 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:30:28 2014. They've hired the same people OJ hired to find the real killers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 29 16:26:37 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014. Perhaps if the GOP weren't a bunch of America-hating traitors, they would have rallied around the President. But they didn't and here's the result. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 29 16:53:08 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014. "I'm not saying Romney would have been better."Why not? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jul 29 16:53:56 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 12:52:34 2014. What makes you think anyone else would have been better anyway? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 29 16:58:28 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 15:58:03 2014. ?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 17:50:44 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 29 16:53:08 2014. He wouldn't have been better enough to matter. Look at Romney's record in Massachusetts alone. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 17:52:15 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jul 29 16:53:56 2014. Liberal propaganda again? We all know Reagan had his heart in the right place, after all - when he remembered where his heart was. :-) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 29 18:50:10 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 13:00:50 2014. Which in total is more than I could see Romney doing about this.There's a ill waiting for a house vote the Senate sent over weeks ago. the President said he would sign it. Yet they do nothing. That would resolve the immigration question s a whole. If Israel can process and absorb 50,000 Eritheans and Sudanese and manage a battle scenario in Gaza at the same time, why can't we handle these kids? (Yes, Israel has seen that many refugees, walking across the desert seeking a stable place to live. It's been going on for about the same amount of time the Central American kids have been arriving, about a year. They manage it with o drama. We could learn a thing or three from them) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 29 19:12:44 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 29 16:53:08 2014. Bcause he probably would not have been. He would have been surrounded from day one by neocons attempting to steer policy away from reality to pick a fight with China, just like they did with bush early in 2001. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 29 19:16:08 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 17:52:15 2014. LOL! Not exactly, he was when conscious he was one callous bastard. Look back to ow he handled campus u rest while governor of California. That's before he ran for President, by 1980 his brain was all mushy from onset of Alzheimer's. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 19:54:27 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 09:58:46 2014. So it is your position that it was the Israeli government that had that Palestinian boy kidnapped and murdered? That's a very interesting theory, Will? On what do you base it? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:02:55 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 29 10:00:25 2014. Rocket attacks which have killed one Israeli civilian. Yet the response from Israel has been to kill more than a thousand civilians in the Gaza strip. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 21:09:23 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:02:55 2014. Yes, Israel marched into Gaza intending to kill as many "civilians" as it could.Are you really that fucking stupid? Do you not read the news? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:10:56 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 29 19:54:27 2014. How is it any different from Israel's position that it was Hamas themselves that killed those three boys and thus were deserving of retribution? It's clear that Israel did not murder that boy, and it's equally clear that Hamas did not order the murder of those three boys. Neither killing constituted an act of war, but that's exactly what we got after their rhetoric. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:14:28 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 21:09:23 2014. I've read plenty of news. Israel can hardly claim Hamas is using civilians as shields when they're fighting through one of the most densely populated areas in that region. Ignoring the propaganda from both sides leads one to the conclusion that the truth lies somewhere in between, and both sides are culpable for those civilian deaths. But only one side can stop the civilian deaths by agreeing to a ceasefire and ending the war, and that's Israel. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 21:15:53 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:10:56 2014. Stop the horseshit revisionism.The war started when Hamas went apeshit after that Palestinian boy was killed and they started launching every rocket they had. Israel ONLY went into Gaza AFTER Hamas rejected the ceasefire brokered by EGYPT and approved by the ARAB LEAGUE. And Israel is in Gaza for two reasons. (1) Get rid of the rockets and (2) Destroy the tunnels. Don't equate the two, it makes you look stupid. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 29 21:26:28 2014, in response to Re: US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jul 29 21:15:53 2014. So playing devils advocate isn't appreciated? It's fawning love for Israel's totally justified war, ignoring the genocidal overtones, and celebration of their glorious victory over the bottle rocket brigade, or nothing, eh? The very fact that they feel the need to attack Hamas when all Hamas has proven is that they're completely and utterly incapable of mounting even the most rudimentary of attacks is simply sad. They're not going to disarm Hamas, any more than America was going to dismantle Al Qaeda, and in the end Hamas will come out stronger. |
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