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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 19 20:18:43 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 16:21:47 2013.

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I don't think anybody disputed that Hitler was the chancellor of Germany, he was appointed that by his own government. Other than that, what does Hitler have to do with this discussion?

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 19 20:47:49 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 19 20:18:43 2013.

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I believe Olog is trying to make a point. :)



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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 20 05:38:35 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by 3-9 on Mon Aug 19 20:18:43 2013.

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Because Mosaddegh got into power the same way Hitler did, that's why. But ye olde leftists regard Mosaddegh as "democratically elected" (he wasn't) versus Adolf.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 06:55:15 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 20 05:38:35 2013.

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Hitler was also a male who ate solid food. Does that also mean that most guys are just like Hitler?

Being elected by Parliament is not the same as being appointed chancellor by a couple of guys in government. Also, lots of people were elected by a Parliament without being like Hitler.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 06:59:42 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 19 20:47:49 2013.

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Did you know that Hitler also ate sugar?

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 20 08:54:49 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 06:55:15 2013.

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Completely false. It's exactly the same setup. Furthermore, he was appointed by the Shah.

And I'm not the one who said he was like Hitler.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 12:18:37 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 20 08:54:49 2013.

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He was appointed by the Shah the same way David Cameron was appointed by the Queen and Stephen Harper and Kevin Rudd by their respective Governors General.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Aug 20 12:23:57 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 12:18:37 2013.

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Parliamentary democracy escapes him no matter how many times this is pointed out to him.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 20 15:22:11 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 19 16:21:47 2013.

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You just "legitimized" Hitler's government, because he was elected, democratic and secular.

What made Hitler's government undemocratic was what he did after he was appointed Chancellor in a coalition government by Hindenberg. It used the Reichstag fire as a pretext to ban the Communist Party from participating in the March 1933 elections.

Aside from Mosaddegh nationalizing the oil industry, he had a too-close relationship with Iran's communist party (Tudeh)

Leon Blum had an even closer relationship with the French Communist Party. Nobody has claimed that his government wasn't democratic. Most of Mossadegh's social program was copied from Popular Front's legislative achievements.

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Re: Egypt revolts

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 17:36:23 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 20 08:54:49 2013.

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So then your mention of Hitler is completely irrelevant, no? It has no bearing on what Mosaddegh was like as a person, just like I said.

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Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 21 00:47:48 2013, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Story here

Where are all the voices saying how well this revolution was going to work out these days?

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Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 21 00:53:01 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 21 00:47:48 2013.

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WELL THEY WERE ALL FUCKING WRONG!

Really, all Muslims need to have a couple of drinks to loosen the fuck up.

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Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 21 05:14:40 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 21 00:53:01 2013.

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Muslims? Drinks?

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Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Aug 21 05:21:21 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 21 05:14:40 2013.

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Catholics? Meat on Fridays?

You obviously don't know any Muslims.

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Egypt revolts: The Arab Spring Is Complete

Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 21 09:58:43 2013, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Violence ravages Egypt’s churches, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 21 00:47:48 2013.

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Egyptian Court Orders Release of Hosni Mubarak

By
MATT BRADLEY
And
TAMER EL-GHOBASHY
CONNECT

CAIRO—An Egyptian court Wednesday ordered the release of former President Hosni Mubarak, ushering in yet another potential flash point of anger in a country already reeling from unprecedented political violence.

A judge in Cairo said there were no legal grounds to hold the 85-year-old former autocrat under allegations of corruption related to gifts he had received from a state publishing house while in office.

Under Egyptian law, prosecutors have 48 hours to challenge the judge's decision. It was unclear Wednesday afternoon whether prosecutors would file a challenge.

The judge's decision comes as opponents of Egypt's new interim government continue their weekslong protests against the military's ouster of Mohammed Morsi , Mr. Mubarak's successor and Egypt's first freely elected president.

The decision introduces yet another point of contention to Egypt's volatile political mix. More than 1,000 people have died in internecine political violence over the past six weeks—the deadliest episode of political change in Egypt's modern history.

Mr. Mubarak's release has the potential to inflame an already organized and disgruntled protest movement.

For many Egyptians, Mr. Mubarak's release will act as a symbol of a resurgent old order.

The court's decision looks set to realize a full reversal of Egypt's tumultuous revolution 2½ years after it began. Mr. Morsi, an Islamist and stalwart opponent of Mr. Mubarak, is currently in jail.

Mr. Mubarak's draconian emergency law that Mr. Morsi's supporters rolled back was renewed last week and the country's military is once again managing the affairs of state from behind the scenes.

As Mr. Mubarak prepares to leave prison, Egypt's interim government is continuing to round up leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood that Mr. Mubarak long suppressed. Just Tuesday, police detained the once-powerful organization's leader, Mohammed Badie .

Mr. Mubarak still faces a retrial on capital charges of murdering protesters during the early 2011 uprising that ousted him. But the court determined on Wednesday that Mr. Mubarak was eligible for release because his custody period exceeds the allowable period under Egyptian law.

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Re: Egypt revolts: The Arab Spring Is Complete

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Aug 21 13:27:43 2013, in response to Egypt revolts: The Arab Spring Is Complete, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 21 09:58:43 2013.

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Never fear. Its all Israel's fault! And Bush!

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Egypt revolts; Christians murdered for not paying Jizyah

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 14 21:45:10 2013, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Assyrian International News Agency

Two Christians Murdered in Egypt for Refusing to Pay Jizya to Muslims

By Mary Abdelmassih
GMT 9-13-2013 19:37:30
Two Coptic Christians government employees were shot dead yesterday for refusing to pay Jizya, the Muslim poll tax on Christians. Emad Damian, 50, and his cousin Medhat Damian, 37, from the village of Sahel Selim in Assuit Province, were contacted two days before their murder by the leader of a Muslim gang, who was identified by Watany Coptic Newspaper as Ashraf Ahmed Mohammed Khalajah, a registered criminal from the village.

Accoring to Emad's brother Dr. Samy Damian, Emad was contacted about 9:30 PM by a member of the gang, who demanded 10,000 Egyptian pounds so that he could buy weapons. "My brother said that he had no problems with anyone, does not require services from anyone, and does not have the money."

In an interview on Al Nahar TV Channel on September 12, Ahmed Fawzi, secretary for the Egyptian Social Democratic Party, said the two murdered Copts, who were members of his political party, reported the matter to the police in Sahel Selim and asked for police protection, but the police did nothing.

"A couple of days later the gang surprised the two Copts by going to their home in the morning and showering them with bullets, leaving both dead," Fawzi said. "The police know who the killers are, but are doing nothing to arrest them."

The districts of Sahel Selim and Ghanayem are the most unsafe areas in Assuit and their police stations were heavily shelled by the Muslim Brotherhood on August 14.

Meanwhile, the security situation remains tense in the village of Delga, Deir Mawas, 160 miles south of Cairo in Minya, where Muslim Brotherhood gangs completely control the village after the ouster of ex-president Morsy. They target the 20,000 Coptic inhabitants by imposing Jizya on them allegedly to "safeguard" them from acts of violence and vandalism to their homes and shops. Despite the arrival last week of a new director of security in the province, the scene is still grim for many.

Rev. Youannas Shawky, Pastor of the monastery of Our Lady and Saint Ephrem in Delga, which was completely destroyed on 3rd July by pro-Morsy supporters (AINA 7-6-2013), said the practice of collecting Jizya from Copts started after the departure of Morsy and continues to be imposed on all Copts in the village without exception, pointing out that the value of the tribute and methods of payment vary from one place to another within the village. The amount varies from 200-500 Egyptian pounds daily, which are exorbitant amounts to many villagers. Rev. Youannas estimates 50 families have left the village so far.

Many Egyptian activists have sounded the alarm on what is happening to Christians. In an open letter to the Egyptian provisional government, prominent journalist Fatma Nahoot said, "Where is the government, the Interior Minister and General al-Sisi on what is happening to the Copts in Minya, including harassment, murder, intimidation, displacement and imposing Jizya on them?"


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Egypt revolts: Islamist state executioner interviewed; loves his job, cruel to animals when young

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 26 17:15:30 2013, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Yes, he admits he's a psychopath who is fond of "strangling things" (strangled animals when he was a kid) and when he does his job, he believes he's "carrying out the law of Allah".

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Egypt's Executioner: Strangling Has Been My Hobby Since Childhood; I Just Love My Job

Following are excerpts from an interview with Hajj Abd Al-Nabi, the official executioner of Egypt, which was posted on the Internet on September 8, 2013.

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: I am the executioner of the Arab Republic of Egypt. I hold the rank of chief warrant officer in the police and the prison authority. I am Egypt's executioner, responsible for carrying out the death penalty.
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I love people, and people love me, but when I am doing my job, I am carrying out the law of Allah.
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When it comes to carrying out our my job, I am tough. The murderer has done an abominable thing, and I cannot be soft with him. If I were soft towards this criminal, I wouldn't be able to execute him, but when I'm at home, with my kids, I am as calm as can be.
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I have placed [the noose] around some 800 heads — tough people, big people, young people… All the despicable crimes — killing, adultery, premeditated murder, and so on… I carry out all the death sentences.

In all honesty, I love my work. I just love it! I never say "no" when they need me at work. This is my work and my livelihood.
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When I was young — about 13 or 14 years old — the dry Ismailiya Canal in Shubra Al-Kheima still had water in it. My hobby was to catch a cat, to place a rope around its neck, to strangle it, and throw it into the water. I would get hold of any animal — even dogs. I would strangle these animals and throw them into the water — even dogs.

Interviewer: That was a long time ago…

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: Yes, when I was 13 or 14 years old. Strangulation was my hobby. When I applied for the job and did well on the tests — proving that I could take the psychological pressure and so on — they said: "Congratulations. Now grow a mustache."

The truth is that my heart is dead, because executing comes from the heart, not the mustache. Only if you have a heart of stone can you be content in this line of work.
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My parents were hard on me. They would say: "This will get you to hell!" I would say to them: "The cat bit me," "The cat bit some kid," "The dog bit a boy in the leg, and the leg got infected." I became the enemy of all things harmful to Mankind.

Interviewer: So you were violent as a boy…

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: I was a little Satan…

Interviewer: Did you strangle many kids you were playing with?

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: Whenever I would place my hands around a kid's neck, I would go soft when I remembered that it was a child, not an animal.

Interviewer: So you had a disposition toward this job from a young age…

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: It's a gift.

Interviewer: Strangling is a gift?

Hajj Abd Al-Nabi: A great gift. I love my job very much, and I can't give it up. Even when I retire, I will report for duty in emergencies. I will leave this job only when I am dead.


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Egypt revolts: Army claims "complete cure device" eliminates AIDS, hepatitis C

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 15:54:57 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Cable News Network

Egyptian army's AIDS-cure claim gets harsh criticism

By Salma Abdelaziz and Saad Abedine, CNN
Updated 8:53 AM EST, Thu February 27, 2014
Egypt's army claims it has invented a cure for AIDS and hepatitis C, prompting an outcry from the medical community, which blasted the declaration as a "scientific scandal."

"I defeated AIDS with the grace of my God at the rate of 100%. And I defeated hepatitis C," said Maj. Gen. Ibrahim Abdel-Atti, head of the Cancer Treatment and Screening center.

Scathing criticism erupted shortly after the announcement Sunday.

Medical researchers led the condemnation, expressing concerns that the announcement would further damage the nation's image.

"I want to be clear and explicit: what has been said and published about the invention of the armed forces hurts the image of scientists and science in Egypt," Essam Heggy, the scientific adviser to the President, told the private Al Watan newspaper Tuesday.

He called the declaration a "scientific scandal" for the nation.

The so-called "Complete Cure Device" draws blood from a patient, breaks down the disease and returns the purified blood back to the body, according to Dr. Ihsan Hanfy Hussein, a member of Abdel-Atti's research team.

She said it cures the ailments in as little as 16 hours.

"I will take the AIDS from the patient and I will nourish the patient on the AIDS treatment. I will give it to him like a skewer of Kofta to nourish him," Abdel-Atti said, referring to a dish made of ground meat.

"I will take it away from him as a disease and give it back to him in the form of a cure," he said. "This is the greatest form of scientific breakthrough."

He paid tribute to the military chief and unofficial presidential hopeful, Field Marshal Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, who attended the unveiling of the "miracle" device registered under the armed forces and approved by the country's Ministry of Health.

Egypt contains the highest prevalence of hepatitis C worldwide, with at least 10% of the population suffering from the disease, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Dr. Gamal Shiha, a leading liver specialist and member of a team evaluating a controversial device developed by Egypt's military for detecting hepatitis C without drawing blood from a patient, said the announcement shocked him and his colleagues.

"What has been said is not scientifically disciplined. There is nothing published, and there is nothing in medical conferences, and there is no single eminent professor around the project," Shiha told CNN. "Nothing scientifically relevant has been said."

After the military led the ouster of President Mohamed Morsy last year, a cult-like loyalty to the country's army and its chief, El-Sisi, triggered a new era of repression that has claimed hundreds of lives, suppressed organized opposition, and jailed journalists and activists, according to human rights groups.

Against a backdrop of fear, scientific justification appears secondary to some.

"The interim president should fire the scientific adviser, Essam Heggy, after his offensive comments to Egypt and the army," Mohammed Abu Hamed, an Egyptian politician and vice chairman of the Free Egyptians Party, tweeted Wednesday.

Pro-military journalists and media outlets urged Egyptians to rejoice after the army announced the invention will be available in June.

"Has the level of doubt reached such a high level on an international breakthrough? This will benefit all of humanity and solve a crisis that the medical community has not been able to fix for years. This is something we should celebrate," Maha Salim, a state media reporter, said on private network Tahrir TV.

The lack of skepticism inside the restive country will do little to shield it from a medical community demanding evidence and answers.

"Until we see the results of all phases of clinical research, we as academics cannot accept to hear this, " Shiha said. "The place of scientific facts is in published papers and journals, not in press conferences."


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Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 6 20:02:27 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Bloomberg

U.S. Code Pink Co-Founder Held at Egypt Airport Deported

By Salma El Wardany and Dana El Baltaji
Mar 4, 2014 7:22 AM ET
A co-founder of the U.S. peace group Code Pink, Medea Benjamin, who was detained at Cairo airport en route to the Gaza Strip, has been deported.

Benjamin has been deported to Turkey, Code Pink said in a Twitter posting. The activist was on her way to Gaza as part of an International Women’s Day delegation.

“The police pulled my arm out the socket; my arm is dislocated,” Benjamin said by phone from Cairo airport jail earlier today.

A police officer at the airport, who asked not to be identified by name because he’s not authorized to speak to the media, said the activist had not been arrested, and was being held because the Rafah crossing into Gaza is closed today.


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Re: Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 6 20:04:53 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 6 20:02:27 2014.

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See? Egypt not so bad after all. :)

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Re: Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 6 20:37:48 2014, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 6 20:04:53 2014.

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Depends on where they deported her to.

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Re: Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 6 20:39:22 2014, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, arrests Code Pink founder and then deports her, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 6 20:37:48 2014.

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Says right in what you posted that she was sent off to Turkey. You DO read what you post before you post it, right?

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Egypt revolts, signs $3B deal with Russia for MiG-35s

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 22 15:56:44 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Jewish Press

Egypt Signing Unprecedented $3 Billion MIG-35 Deal with Russia

By: Jewish Press Staff
Published: April 22nd, 2014
Ehud Ya’ari of Israel’s Channel 2 News reported on Tuesday night that Egypt and Russia will be signing an unprecedented military agreement.

In this agreement between Cairo and Moscow, Egypt will receive 24 of Russia’s advanced Mikoyan MiG-35 fighter jets, along with military and strategic advisers, as well as training for the Egyptian Air Force.

The deal is worth $3 billion.

It follows in the footsteps of a $2 billion arms deal that Egypt signed with Russia in February, and was primarily funded by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The deal itself has been in the works since November, as JewishPress.com reported when Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited Cairo and Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, and developed in response to decreased US military aid to Egypt.

This deal is a major setback to US policy and diplomacy in the Middle East, and is a direct slap in the face for U.S. President Obama.

In related news, the U.S. is sending 600 troops to Eastern Europe for an exercise, to try to reassure its NATO allies, following Russia’s actions in Ukraine.


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Egypt revolts: spokesmen for candidates call for referendum on Camp David, fighting "Zionist enemy"

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 23 23:54:56 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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The Islamists were never ousted. I think I might have mentioned that at some point.

Egyptian Spokesmen: Put Peace Treaty to a Referendum

Spokesmen for the two Egyptian presidential candidates have advocated for putting the peace treaty with Israel to a vote in a referendum.

By Elad Benari
4/24/2014, 6:13 AM
Spokesmen for the two Egyptian presidential candidates recently advocated for putting the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel to a vote in a referendum.

The debate between the spokesmen of Hamdeen Sabahi and Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi aired on Hezbollah’s Al-Manar TV on April 3 and was translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

“Our enmity with the Zionist enemy goes to our very existence. It's either us or them. No peace is possible,” said Tamer Hindawi, Sabahi’s spokesman, during the debate.

He further claimed that “The Zionist enemy is clearly the head of colonialism in the region. In our view, the Camp David Accords are responsible for many of our crises, and might even be the main reason for Egypt's subjugation to America, and for the decline in its role as an Arab, Islamic, and African leader.”

“If it were up to me,” continued Hindawi, “I would abolish the Camp David Accords right now. But if you ask about Sabahi's campaign position — Sabahi believes that the Zionists are our enemy, but when the historic moment arrives, he will decide what action to take.”

Meanwhile, Mahmoud Badr, Al-Sisi’s spokesman, said that the former Egyptian defense minister “will hold extensive discussions about what the Egyptian people gain from these accords. If it turns out that we do not need them, I believe that Al-Sisi will not hesitate and will put them to a referendum.”

Both spokesmen also supported fighting the “Zionist enemy” with Hindawi saying, “We support anyone who points his gun at the Zionist enemy. As long as they point their weapons at the Zionist enemy, we support them, but we are against anyone who turns his gun elsewhere.”

Badr added, “I say the same thing: We support anyone who fights the Zionist enemy, but if these weapons are turned towards Egypt, we will chop off the hands that hold them.”


Under the regime of Muslim Brotherhood president Mohammed Morsi, there were calls to urgently change the peace treaty with Israel, with an adviser to the Islamist president saying that in its current form, the historic treaty maintains the national security of the “Zionist enemy” more than it helps Egypt's national security.

Tamarod, the Egyptian movement which led the opposition to Morsi, has since his ouster began collecting signatures to a new initiative calling to cancel the peace treaty with Israel.

Tamarod’s latest initiative, reported in August, came in the wake of what they called the “unacceptable U.S. interference in Egypt’s political affairs.” The members of the group are demanding that the Israel-Egypt treaty be put to a referendum.

Last year, the Cairo Administrative Court ruled that it has no jurisdiction over a lawsuit demanding the cancellation of the 1979 peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

The court said at the time that the issue involves state sovereignty, which is under the president’s purview.


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Egypt revolts: Religious endowments minister claims Zionism brings "atheism" and "homosexuality"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 2 18:57:52 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Times of Israel

Egypt minister says Zionism promotes atheism, homosexuality
Cabinet member blames ‘colonial Zionist forces,’ religious extremists for fragmenting North African country

By Justin Jalil
November 2, 2014, 11:17 pm
Egypt’s Religious Endowments Minister accused “Zionist forces” of promoting atheism and homosexuality in his country.

Speaking with Al-Hayat TV, an Evangelical Arabic-language television station, Mohammed Mokhtar Gomaa said “colonial Zionist forces” support “atheists and atheism and finance homosexuals and homosexuality” in an effort to fragment Egyptian society. The interview, which took place in September, was published Sunday by MEMRI, a Washington-based Middle Eastern media watchdog group.

Gomaa is a cabinet member in the Sissi government, which coordinates closely with Israel on security and economic issues.

The minister went on to criticize “Zionist forces” for undermining regional stability by means of “terrorism, of atheism, of nihilism, and of deviance. We must confront atheism, nihilism, homosexuality and moral depravity the same way we confront extremism and terrorism,” said Gomaa.

Although public officials in Egypt have restrained anti-Israel rhetoric in the recent past, Egyptian authorities are frequently criticized for targeting homosexuals and other minorities.

Human rights groups have slammed Cairo for imprisoning individuals caught engaging in consensual homosexual activities.

On Saturday an Egyptian court imprisoned eight men for three years for “inciting debauchery” after allegedly attending a same-sex wedding party on a boat in the Nile River.


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Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to "Palestine" to "encourage" Israel on two-state solution

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 12:15:40 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Associated Press

Egypt willing to send troops to future Palestine

Nov. 23, 2014 11:47 AM EST
Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi said in remarks published Sunday that Egypt is prepared to send troops into a future Palestinian state to assist local police and guarantee Israel's security.

In comments to Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera, el-Sissi said the troops would be stationed there temporarily to establish confidence.

In a clarifying statement later, his office said the idea is a way to encourage Israel to accept a two-state solution.

"The president said that Egypt along with other Arab countries is willing to make available the necessary conditions for the creation of a Palestinian state," the statement said.


The last round of U.S.-brokered peace talks collapsed in April. Since then, Israel fought a 50-day war against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip and advanced plans to build hundreds of new homes in Jewish areas of east Jerusalem.

Israel fears that Hamas would take control the West Bank if it withdrew its forces.


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Re: Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to ''Palestine'' to ''encourage'' Israel on two-state solution

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Nov 23 12:22:19 2014, in response to Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to "Palestine" to "encourage" Israel on two-state solution, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 12:15:40 2014.

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I am sure Egypt cares about Israel's security :rolls eyes:

Maybe Egypt should stop their blockade of Gaza

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Re: Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to ''Palestine'' to ''encourage'' Israel on two-state solution

Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 23 12:53:23 2014, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to ''Palestine'' to ''encourage'' Israel on two-state solution, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Nov 23 12:22:19 2014.

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Egypt and to a lesser extent Jordan do care about Israel's security since they have the same issues with militants. Common cause is the strongest alliance maker. Biggest danger there is a change in government in one of the allies.

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Re: Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to ''Palestine'' to ''encourage'' Israel on two-state solution

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 17:08:21 2014, in response to Re: Egypt revolts: Sisi ready to send troops to ''Palestine'' to ''encourage'' Israel on two-state solution, posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 23 12:53:23 2014.

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No, that's not it.

Sisi would not recognize "Palestine" if he was in any way pro-Israel.

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Re: Egypt revolts; Mubarak cleared of all charges, but not yet released

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 29 11:28:25 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Egypt: Ex-ruler Hosni Mubarak, accused in deaths of hundreds, cleared of charges

By Jason Hanna, Sarah Sirgany and Holly Yan, CNN
Updated 10:41 AM EST, Sat November 29, 2014
Egypt's former longtime ruler Hosni Mubarak was effectively cleared Saturday of charges linking him to the deaths of hundreds of protesters and probably will be released in months, a stunning reversal for a man who faced life imprisonment or worse after a revolution toppled him in 2011.

A Cairo judge capped a monthslong retrial by dismissing the death charges — reversing the former strongman's convictions in 2012 — and finding Mubarak not guilty of corruption.
Mubarak, who ruled Egypt as president for 29 years, was stoic as his supporters cheered the decision in the courtroom. The 86-year-old, reclining on a hospital gurney behind a defendants' cage, nodded while fellow defendants kissed him on the head.

Later, he told the country's Sada ElBalad TV station in a brief phone interview that he "didn't commit anything."

"I laughed when I heard the first verdict," he said of the first trial. "When it came to the second verdict, I said I was waiting. It would go either way. It wouldn't have made a difference to me either way."

Mubarak had been convicted of inciting, arranging and assisting to kill peaceful protesters during the country's 2011 uprising and was sentenced to life in prison. He appealed and was granted a new trial last year.

Also acquitted Saturday were Mubarak's former Interior Minister Habib el-Adly and six of el-Adly's aides, who'd been accused of being connected to the deaths of 239 protesters as security forces cracked down on them in 2011. Mubarak's two sons also were acquitted Saturday of corruption.

Mubarak still has months remaining on a three-year sentence for a previous conviction for embezzlement.

Both sides have alleged that Mubarak's trials have been politicized, with supporters arguing he was unfairly vilified and opponents fearing that he'd be acquitted as memories of the revolution faded.

His legal fortunes did seem to parallel the political climate — just last year, Mohamed Morsi, the Islamist who became Egypt's first democratically elected president, supported a retrial, with some arguing Mubarak should have received a death sentence rather than life in captivity.

But Morsi himself was deposed by the military in July 2013, as opponents accused him of pursuing an Islamist agenda at the exclusion of other factions.

And now the Arab Spring revolt that ousted Mubarak has come nearly full circle — Mubarak is months from release; Morsi is jailed, his Muslim Brotherhood banned; and Morsi supporters allege the current government has returned to Mubarak's authoritarian practices.

Explaining the verdict

Judge Mahmoud el-Rashidy said he dropped charges against Mubarak because Cairo Criminal Court didn't have the jurisdiction to try him for the protesters' deaths.

The judge said the case that prosecutors initially referred to the court listed only el-Adly and his aides as defendants — not Mubarak himself.

But after mass protests pressured the prosecutor general to question Mubarak, a second referral was made to the court, and the two cases were merged into one.

Lawyer Hoda Nasralla, who represents the families of 65 slain and injured protesters, said the inclusion of Mubarak in a second referral should have trumped his exclusion in the first.

"The judge shied away from directly acquitting Mubarak even though he was accused of conspiring with Adly, and Adly was acquitted," she said. "The judge resorted to formalities instead."

'I want only God's retribution'

Salway El-Sayed, mother of one of the slain 2011 protesters, sat down on a sidewalk outside the court after she heard Saturday's verdicts, praying to God to deliver justice.

She broke down in tears, her hands shaking, as she recalled her son Tamer Hanafy, who was killed in January 2011 in Tahrir Square, epicenter of the uprising.

"I'm worried my son's blood would go in vain," she said. "Our children's blood isn't cheap. Their blood is precious, like any other blood."

"I don't want execution," she continued. "This won't bring back my son. … I want only God's retribution. Nothing more."

How it started

In January 2011, throngs of Egyptians filled the streets of Cairo to decry the country's poverty, unemployment and repression. Protesters called for Mubarak to step down but were met by a fierce and often violent government crackdown. Mubarak eventually stepped down in 2011.

That freed up long-supressed Islamist movements, including the Muslim Brotherhood, to run for office. Morsi, backed by the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party, became president in June 2012.

But Morsi was ousted in a coup about a year later amid widespread protests against his rule. Since then, Cairo's military-installed government has banned the Brotherhood, calling it a terrorist group — an allegation it denies — and accusing it of being behind a wave of deadly attacks on police and the military.

Many Islamist and secular activists have been arrested and given lengthy sentences. A restrictive protest law and repeated deadly crackdowns on demonstrations followed.

Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the general who led Morsi's ouster, was elected president in May after leaving the military to run for the office.

Not free yet

Since Mubarak stepped down in February 2011, the ailing former ruler has appeared in court numerous times on a variety of charges, often wheeled in on a gurney. His lawyers say he suffered health problems after his 2011 arrest, including a stroke, and he has served much of his prison time at a military medical facility.

In May, a Cairo court sentenced him to three years in prison for embezzlement. His sons Gamal and Alaa were sentenced to four years each on the same charge.

All three were convicted of embezzling $18 million that was allocated for the renovation of presidential palaces. The Mubaraks have insisted they are not guilty.

Mubarak is expected to be released in the coming months, since his three-year sentence includes time already served.

Journalist Sarah Sirgany reported from Cairo; CNN's Jason Hanna and Holly Yan reported and wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Yousuf Basil contributed to this report.


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Egypt revolts, bans "Zionist" film "Exodus: Gods And Kings"

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 27 01:24:22 2014, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Egypt bans 'Zionist' film Exodus and cites 'historical inaccuracies'

A day after Morocco bans film, Egypt says it’s rife with mistakes, including an apparent claim that ‘Moses and the Jews built the pyramids’

Agence France-Presse in Cairo
Friday 26 December 2014 14.17 EST
Egypt has banned the Hollywood biblical epic Exodus: Gods and Kings, citing historical inaccuracies, the culture minister said on Friday. The decision comes a day after a similar move by Morocco.

The film, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Christian Bale, relates how Moses helped Israelite slaves flee persecution in Egypt under the Pharaoh Ramses by parting the Red Sea to let them cross safely. The Egyptian culture minister, Gaber Asfour, said the film was rife with mistakes, including an apparent claim that “Moses and the Jews built the pyramids”.

“This totally contradicts proven historical facts,” Asfour said.

“It is a Zionist film,” he said. “It gives a Zionist view of history and contains historical inaccuracies, and that’s why we have decided to ban it.”

The ban was decided by a committee comprising the head of the supreme council for culture, Mohammed Afifi, the head of the censorship committee and two history professors, Asfour said.

Afifi said he took issue with the scene showing the parting of the Red Sea in which Moses — a prophet revered by Jews, Christians and Muslims alike — is seen holding a “sword” like a warrior, instead of a “stick”. Furthermore, he said, the parting of the Red Sea was explained in the movie as a “tidal phenomenon” rather than a divine miracle.

Morocco has also banned the film, despite it having been approved by the state-run Moroccan Cinema Center, media reported on Thursday, quoting theatre managers. Hassan Belkady, who runs Cinema Rif in Casablanca, told media24 news website that he had been threatened with the closure of his business if he ignored the ban.

“They phoned and threatened they would shut down the theatre if I did not take the film off the schedule,” Belkady said.

In March, Al-Azhar, Egypt’s top Islamic body, banned the screening of Noah, starring Russell Crowe, another Hollywood biblical epic, saying it violated Islam by portraying a prophet. The film triggered controversy in the US, where some Christian institutions criticized Crowe’s unconventional portrayal of Noah.

Exodus has also sparked unkind reviews and upset some Christian groups, with critics saying Scott took too many liberties with the Bible and cast western actors in middle-eastern roles.

Egypt has censored other movies, including the blockbuster The Da Vinci Code after protests from the Orthodox Coptic Church. But it did allow the screening of Mel Gibson’s The Passion of The Christ.


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Another publicity stunt to encourage people to view the film

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Re: Egypt revolts, bans ''Zionist'' film ''Exodus: Gods And Kings''

Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 28 15:08:44 2014, in response to Re: Egypt revolts, bans ''Zionist'' film ''Exodus: Gods And Kings'', posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 27 05:28:00 2014.

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I haven't seen the film; maybe I'll see it for free when it gets to Netflix or Hulu.

That said, the things I find interesting are what looks like attempts to retell old bible stories in the era of Game of Thrones.

Either way, I don't read movies or the bible as literal history.

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Egypt revolts; el-Sisi makes decree broadening definition of terrorism, institutes attainder

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 24 23:13:48 2015, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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Egyptian president issues new anti-terrorism law

By Sarah El Deeb
Feb. 24, 2015 12:59 PM EST
The Egyptian president has issued a law that broadens the state's definition of terrorism to include anyone who threatens public order "by any means," and gives authorities powers to draw up lists of alleged terrorists with little judicial recourse.

Under the new law, prosecutors can name someone a terrorist, freezing their assets, and barring them from public life or travel, with only simple approval from a panel of judges, and without a trial. The listing is valid for three years and can be renewed.

The legislation was signed in the form of a decree by President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi last week and was distributed to reporters on Tuesday.

It is part of the government's stepped-up campaign against an expanding insurgency by militant groups, including one that has pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group fighting in Iraq and Syria.

The authorities have also waged a sweeping crackdown on supporters of ousted Islamist President Mohammed Morsi, as well as young activists and groups that fuelled the uprising that toppled autocrat Hosni Mubarak in 2011. Internationally, Egypt has pushed allies for closer cooperation to combat terrorism in the region, particularly in neighboring Libya.

Rights activists criticized the law, saying it only serves to expand Egypt's existing arsenal of legislation that empowers authorities against political opponents.

"In the absence of accountability and monitoring, we will never know whom this law is applied to," said Mohammed Zaree, Egypt program manager at the Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies. "The absence of accountability and monitoring only leaves authorities above the law."

Egypt has been without an elected parliament since 2012 when the last elected house was dissolved by a court order. El-Sissi has the power to approve new laws in the form of decrees.

The new law defines a terrorist group as any entity that calls "by any means, inside or outside the country, for harming individuals, terrorizing them or putting their lives, freedoms, rights or security in danger."

Furthermore, the label "terrorist group" also will apply to any entity that endangers the environment, antiquities, communications or transportation, or obstructs the work of local or international agencies in Egypt. It also includes any group that uses "any means" to disturb public order, endangers security or state interests, and seeks to "disrupt the constitution or law, or harm national unity."

Zaree said such a broad definition could leave anyone — including even a political party calling for a protest or criticizing the government in a statement — subject to the law. In Egypt's penal code, terrorism is already broadly defined as an act that endangers public order.

"This definition of terrorism can now be applied to the Islamic State or to us," Zaree said, referring to the rights community, which is highly critical of the government's human rights record.

The new law is likely meant to replace emergency measures that Egyptian police and prosecutors have operated under for 30 years. Those measures already overstepped existing legislation, giving authorities broad powers to detain and arrest suspects, and leaving the public mistrustful of their ability to follow the law.

According to Zaree, the new law effectively narrows public space, and also serves to "cover up" Egypt's unsuccessful effort to defeat terrorism.

"This is … a backdoor to emergency law," Zaree said. "Egypt is now living under an undeclared emergency status."


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Tunisian "Arab Spring" self-immolation survivor regrets decision, wishes for death (Egypt revolts)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 25 17:55:38 2016, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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'I Wish I Could Die': Meeting the Man Who Helped Trigger the Arab Spring

The Arab Spring began five years ago when two men set themselves on fire in Tunisia. One of them survived his self-immolation — and now wishes he hadn't. This is his story.

By Clemens Höges in Kasserine, Tunisia
January 21, 2016 – 03:29 PM
Hosni Kaliya pulls a cigarette out of his pack with his mouth. When he poured gasoline on his body and set himself on fire, most of his right hand was consumed by the flames and all that remains is a stump without fingers. He still has four fingers on his left hand, but they jut out like claws, burned, stiff and contorted. His fingernails are curled. He wears black wool gloves with the fingertips cut off, so that they won't dangle emptily. A knit cap protects Kaliya's head, where his hair was burned off, and his unusually small ears. But the disfigured face, the work of doctors using old and new skin, how could he hide that?

Kaliya needs medication to sleep. Should his head fall backwards, he could be strangled by the skin on his neck, because it's stretched too tightly across his larynx. He shouldn't smoke, because the flames and soot severely damaged his lungs and trachea. But he does so nonetheless, as if he were trying to destroy what he has turned into: this figure that instills fear in children, a prisoner in his own body. "I wish I could die," says Kaliya.

Everything burns, inside and out. Everything hurts, his body and his soul, because he blames himself: for the destruction of his family, for the deaof his brother and several friends, and yes, he even blames himself a little for the Arab Spring, the uprising that began in Tunisia five years ago and has since turned into a tragedy. Two men triggered the Arab Spring. The world remembers one of them, the fruit vendor Mohamed Bouazizi. The other was Hosni Kaliya.

The acts of desperation quickly transformed into a political hurricane. It swept along Africa's Mediterranean coast and up to the Turkish border. Dictators were overthrown, new rulers came to power and Islamists and terrorists spread across the region. Countries collapsed and hundreds of thousands died, and are still dying, in civil wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen. The offshoots of this storm have also reached Europe, in the form of mass immigration and terrorist attacks in Paris and Istanbul.

And what for? "It was all a mistake," says Kaliya. "I didn't know what would happen. I no longer believe in the revolution."

To understand how it all began and why it's a long way from being over, it helps to return to one of the starting points of this hurricane: Kaliya's home town of Kasserine, more than three-hours by car southwest of Tunis. It is a town in the barren highlands of Tunisia and it feels much farther away than it already is — almost as if it were on another planet. Kasserine is at the foot of Jebel Chaambi, the highest mountain in Tunisia. Terrorists are now hiding in the surrounding canyons, and every few weeks the army attacks them wiartillery and helicopters. The coast has always been where the money is made and where investment goes. Former dictator Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali allowed the hinterlands around Kasserine to become impoverished.

A Modicum of Dignity

Kaliya normally lives in a home in Tunis, but I met wihim and his mother Zhina at her home on a grimy street in Kasserine. His mother is a tiny woman and far too weak to care for a heavy, 42-year-old man who is unable to dress himself. Zhina tries to turn on an old space heater for Kaliya, whose joints stiffen and hands hurt when it gets cold. But his head is clear as he talks about how it all began, five years ago.

There was unrest in the region surrounding Kasserine in the last few days of 2010. On Dec. 17, fruit vendor Bouazizi had set himself on fire in nearby Sidi Bouzid after being harassed by the authorities. People immediately took to the streets, initially to protest against government tyranny and then against the Tunisian dictator and the extravagant lifestyle of his extended family — and against high youunemployment and rising bread and vegetable prices. The protesters wanted freedom and a modicum of dignity.

Kaliya, who was working as a hotel doorman in the beach resort town of Sousse at the time, took a few days off and drove home to Kasserine to see his family and friends. He earned good money at the beach resort, and he liked to show off. He told his friends that they should make something of themselves, and that they should leave Kasserine, where life had come to a standstill and seemed directionless.

Like many others, Kaliya also talked about the need to sweep away the regime. But he was no revolutionary, and he had no thoughts or ideas about overthrowing the government, and certainly no plan. All he had was a hatred of the regime.

On Jan. 3, he was stopped by the police, who asked to see his identification papers. "I had money in my pockets and I was good looking," says Kaliya. Perhaps it was his expensive boots, or perhaps the way he walked, the swagger of a doorman, a kick-boxer, that the policemen didn't like. It was certainly the big ring a Frenchman had given him in Sousse, the ring withe big cross on it. When he saw the ring, says Kaliya, one of the policemen said to him: "Do you know why we're here? To f**k guys like you."

A Mistake in a Dictatorship

And then, according to Kaliya, the policeman slammed his fist into Kaliya's stomach. He vomited and fell to the ground, where he lay in his vomit as the policemen laughed. He filed a complaint at the police station the next day — a mistake in a dictatorship. Or an act of rebellion.

Three days later, Kaliya saw the same police officer as he was walking past the bus station. The cop mentioned Kaliya's complaint, and then started beating him wihis baton, hitting his face and hands, Kaliya recalls.

This time Kaliya fought back. It was his second mistake. Other officers appeared immediately and seriously roughed him up. In the end, they also emptied a canister of tear gas into his face. "When they left me lying there, I felt like an insect that they had stepped on."

He pulled himself together and staggered to one of the many illegal gas stations that are equipped wijust a barrel and a hand pump. Smugglers use them to sell cheap gasoline from Algeria. Kaliya took a bottle of gasoline and went back to the bus station. "I wasn't myself anymore, and I didn't know what I was doing." He didn't want to be a hero and he wasn't sending a political message. He simply could no longer bear the humiliation.

For a moment, says Kaliya, he thought he could light the bottle on fire and throw it at the police officers. "But I didn't have a chance. There were too many of them, and they were armed." Instead, he lifted the bottle over his head, turned it upside-down and allowed the gasoline to run over his body. Then he pulled out his lighter.

He remembers hearing the sound of burning fat, a hissing sound, like drops of grease falling from a barbecue grill into the hot coals. He staggered toward the policemen, but everything went black after that. The news of what he had done spread quickly in Kasserine.

'Nothing But Criminals'

"We all thought that Hosni Kaliya was dead," says Ali Rebah, one of the young intellectuals of Kasserine. He went to the family's home, where others had already gathered. That night, car tires were set on fire in the streets of Kasserine.

Rebah, a sound engineer, also wanted to do something, as best he could. "The government media characterized all the demonstrators as nothing but criminals. So we needed something of our own: independent information. No one was being told what was happening here." On the same day, he used an Internet streaming service and Facebook to spread the news of Kaliya's self-immolation.

The violence escalated over the next three days. Protestors threw rocks and Molotov cocktails. The special government units that were brought in aimed at the head and the heart, killing more than 20 demonstrators and injuring dozens. It was the first massacre of the Arab spring. And Rebah was one of those who ensured that the world learned about what had happened.

Kaliya wasn't aware of any of this: He was in a coma in the burn unit of a Tunis hospital. Mohamed Bouazizi had died in the same hospital three days before Kaliya's self-immolation, and others apparently tried to set themselves on fire during the same period. Dictator Zine El Abidin Ben Ali visited Bouazizi at his hospital bed. He had tried to soften his tone, spoke of an end to the violence and promised hundreds of thousands of jobs for young people. But it was too late. A week after Kaliya set himself on fire, the dictator fled the country.

The spark of revolution immediately jumped to other countries in the region. The uprising against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak began on Jan. 25, 2011, Yemenis rebelled against President Ali Abdullah Saleh a few days later, in mid-February the Libyans revolted against Moammar Gadhafi, and in March the Syrians began their revolution against President Bashar Assad.

During this period, Kaliya was operated on multiple times. Skin was transplanted from one part of his body to another, and his throat was reconstructed. A few times, doctors had to resuscitate him. Kaliya recounts a nightmare he believes he had at the time. In the dream, he was walking along a street when the buildings suddenly flew toward him and crushed his body.

A Stalemate

He only regained consciousness after eight months. At first he could only hear muffled sounds, because he was wrapped in bandages, like a mummy. His eyes were also bandaged. He didn't know where he was, and he had forgotten who he was. Then the doctors removed the bandages from his eyes.

A short time later, Tunisia held its first free and democratic election. When the Islamist Ennahda Movement won the vote, many liberal Tunisians felt it was a disaster. Still, the Islamists were unable to govern alone but were instead forced to share power witwo other parties. An Islamist served as prime minister, but human rights activist Moncef Marzouki became the country's president.

It was a stalemate, and the country was soon on the brink of emergency rule. The Islamists wanted to enshrine Sharia law in the constitution and limit the rights of women. They did not prevail, but then Salafists engaged in street battles withe police and tens of thousands demonstrated against the Islamists, in part due to rising unemployment. Protestors also accused Ennahda of supporting Ansar al-Sharia, a Salafist terrorist organization.

For Kaliya, these events were far away. His mother Zhina, who had only been allowed to look at her son through a window for many months due to the risk of infection, told him about everything that was happening in the world. She also told him about friends and relatives. Eleven had died in the uprising. A psychologist also went to see him every day. She told him his name, and she spoke wihim about Kasserine, the policemen and the gasoline.

As Kaliya slowly regained his memory, he began to understand the enormity of the storm he and the fruit vendor had triggered.

Still, President Marzouki ensured that those who were wounded in the revolution were properly looked after. Kaliya's mother was given an apartment in the capital, so that she could care for her son.

'Not Accustomed to Freedom'

In the summer of 2013, Tunisia was on the brink of civil war. Two opposition politicians had been murdered, probably by Islamists, and Ennahda feared a military coup like the one that had occurred in Egypt. At that moment, an unusual quartet of four organizations, led by a federation of trade unions, intervened to mediate between the opposing groups. Ennahda agreed to a transitional government and new elections, and the quartet was last year awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts.

But the party that won the new election, in October 2014, was Nidaa Tounes, which included many of Ben Ali's former cohorts. Béji Caïd Essebsi, 89, a former interior minister in the Ben Ali dictatorship, became president and made his son the party's deputy leader. For many Tunisians, this marked the beginning of a new political dynasty. Is the country back where it was when he, Hosni Kaliya, set himself on fire?

"We were hopeful, but we Tunisians are not accustomed to freedom," says Kaliya.

Surviving heroes can become a burden when they criticize the heirs of a revolution. Under the new regime, Kaliya was shunted off to a home for unwed mothers and he has been waiting for several urgent operations for months. The surgeries must be approved by a committee, but the committee is dragging its feet. "They are letting me rot in this home," says Kaliya. He feels like a phantom, someone the government doesn't want anyone to see or hear.

He cannot return to Kasserine, because the only doctors that can help him in an emergency are in Tunis. He occasionally visits his friends and his mother in Kasserine. When he looks around today, he says, he sees nothing to suggest that it was all worthwhile.

"There was no Arab spring," says Kaliya. Various factions are fighting each other in Libya, while the self-proclaimed Islamic State captures town after town. In Egypt, former General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi rules in much the same way as Mubarak did. Saudi Arabia is bombarding Yemen, where Shiite and Sunni militias are at war. And then there is Syria, where more than 250,000 have died. Is it presumptuous to accept the blame?

A Hotbed of Jihad

Tunisia, of course, is in better shape and is still viewed as a shimmer of hope in the Arab disaster. At least Tunisians cast their ballots instead of shooting at each other. But the peace is fragile. There is high unemployment, especially among young people, and several thousand Tunisians are fighting for Islamic State in Syria, Iraq and Libya.

Or they are carrying out attacks at home. Last March, Islamist militants murdered 20 tourists at the national museum in Tunis. In June, a gunman killed 38 tourists at a beach resort hotel in Sousse. Terror groups aligned wiIslamic State claimed responsibility for boattacks. Finally, two months ago, a suicide bomber blew up a bus carrying presidential guards in Tunis, killing 13 soldiers. The series of attacks has all but destroyed the tourist industry, a significant source of revenue for Tunisia.

Kasserine and the canyons of Jebel Chaambi are now considered a hotbed of jihad, an unsafe area that is said to be prime recruitment territory for terrorists. "Terror emerges in places where people are marginalized," says economist Hizi Med Raouf. He returned to his hometown of Kasserine from Tunis a few months after the uprising began.

Raouf believed that everything would change, and that entrepreneurs would create new businesses now that the dictatorship was gone and he rented a small office on the main street of Kasserine. In Los Angeles or Berlin, his company would be referred to as a start-up incubator. He advises prospective entrepreneurs, prepares feasibility studies and facilitates business relationships. But he constantly encounters the old networks from the Ben Ali-era in banks and government agencies, men wilittle interest in change.

Raouf has studied the numbers. Half of the educated young people in Kasserine are unemployed, he says, while smuggling is — just as it has always been — the most important business in the region due to the proximity of the border wiAlgeria. "I'm an optimist, or else I couldn't do what I do. Even if nothing is working, I want to keep believing that everything will improve."

Nothing Better to Do

A few buildings down the street from Raouf's office, Ali Rebah runs the radio station that he started on the Internet on the day Kaliya set himself on fire. The station, KFM, has grown and now has 70 employees and transmits its programs to a region wia population of 400,000 people. But none of the people who work for KFM is paid a single dinar, including Rebah, because the small amount of advertising revenue only covers operating costs. Besides, says Rebah, most of his people are unemployed anyway and have nothing better to do.

"Anyone can speak his mind in Tunisia now. Aside from that, not much has changed," says Rebah. "We need more time. Much more time." That's why KFM works together wischools. Children help produce radio programs and, in the process, learn how elections work, that different opinions count and, most of all, that it is possible to bring about change. Rebah is pinning his hopes on the next generation. He no longer believes that change will happen quickly, and probably not for his generation, the one that triggered the Arab spring in the first place.

But not everyone is as patient. Hosni Kaliya had a younger brother, Saber. He was 35 and worked as a custodian. He made a decent living and even managed to support his mother. But Saber lost his job last summer. Many in Kasserine are losing their jobs, because businesses are going under or shifting production to the coast, and because new projects have become bogged down, and because the revolution, which Hosni Kaliya helped trigger, brought democracy but no jobs.

Saber fought for his job, spending three months begging his employer not to let him go. He had no other job prospects. When he felt that there was no longer any hope, he bought himself a bottle of gasoline, just as his brother had done, and set himself on fire, not far from his home. When his mother heard the screams, she ran out of the house and saw Saber lying on the ground, engulfed in flames. He died on Oct. 14.
"I curse this revolution. I want my sons back," says the mother, weeping into a piece of cloth, already wet and dark from her tears. "More will die; more will fight and more will set themselves on fire. They have no future."

Hosni Kaliya sits quietly next to her. He wasn't even able to weep properly at his brother's funeral, because the flames destroyed his right tear duct.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan


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Re: Tunisian ''Arab Spring'' self-immolation survivor regrets decision, wishes for death (Egypt revolts)

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 26 09:45:01 2016, in response to Tunisian "Arab Spring" self-immolation survivor regrets decision, wishes for death (Egypt revolts), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 25 17:55:38 2016.

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I didn't read this because the words of this mentally unstable individual do not interest me.

It's interesting to note that Tunisia is the only place where the Arab Spring has been a success.

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Egypt revolts; Morsi gets life

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 18 14:31:49 2016, in response to Egypt revolts, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 1 11:15:34 2013.

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But not death.

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Egypt's Morsi gets 2nd life sentence in espionage case

By Reuters on 6/18/16 at 9:06 AM
Egypt's former president Mohamed Morsi was handed another life sentence on Saturday, after a court found him guilty of espionage and leaking state secrets.

Morsi, leader of the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, has already been sentenced in three other cases, including the death penalty for a mass jail break during the 2011 uprising against former president Hosni Mubarak and a life sentence for spying on behalf of Palestinian group Hamas.

The court on Saturday also said the death penalty had been approved for six others accused alongside Morsi, including three journalists sentenced in absentia. Two other defendants that had worked in Morsi's office were sentenced to life in prison.

The sentences are the latest in a crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood since an army takeover stripped Morsi of power in 2013 following mass protests against his rule.

Prosecutors argued Morsi and his aides were involved in leaking sensitive documents to Qatari intelligence that exposed the location of weapons held by the Egyptian armed forces.

All of the defendants can appeal the verdicts to the Egyptian Court of Cassation, the country's highest civil court.

Relations between Qatar, a Gulf Arab state, and Egypt have been icy since July 2013 when Egypt's then-army chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi overthrew Morsi.

Qatar had supported Morsi, who is in jail along with thousands of Brotherhood members, many of whom have been sentenced to death on separate charges.

Sisi says the Brotherhood poses a serious threat to security despite the crackdown, which has weakened what was once Egypt's most organized political group.


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