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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:35:08 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:24:12 2014. Actually, he wanted examples of black people killing white people by blowing themselves up. Reread his post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:35:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:24:12 2014. No, I didn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:35:57 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:16:27 2014. First of all, Jews were always in "Palestine" as much as the Muslims.I never said they weren't. You're trying to claim that Jews are entitled to exclusive rights to Palestine— I'm not claiming that any race has "exclusive" rights to any land. The United Nations, not a Colonial power partitioned Palestine to a Jewish State and an Arab State. Look up "British Mandate." Nobody confined anyone to "a ghetto kept in perpetual poverty". Well, except for the West Bank and Gaza. If anything, Israel made many more concessions than they had to. A Jewish theocracy made more concessions to non-Jews than they had to. Right. But then again, maybe you're just an anti-Semite. Maybe you're just a Jewish supremacist. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:36:36 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:43:00 2014. HE IMPLIED IT!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:38:11 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:20:31 2014. West Bank. Gaza. Look them up. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:38:23 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:14:35 2014. Nobody was evicted. Many of the Arabs left on their own accord but many stayed and actually became Israeli citizens, some even elected to the Knesset. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:38:49 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:35:52 2014. Then what did you want? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:39:15 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:35:08 2014. How is the method by which a murder is committed relevant in any way? |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 17:41:49 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:14:35 2014. why is it that people who condemn Isreal far expelling palestinians say nothing about Stalin expelling Pols Eastern Poland at that same time? do they love Stalin or hate jews? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:43:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:39:15 2014. It is relevant if that was the whole point of his post. He ended his post by saying "The Palestinian wounds are self-inflicted". |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:48:36 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:34:55 2014. Except that isn't true.How is it not? (a) Omitting one irrelevant fact is not falsehood. (b) Even being completely wrong on one point does not impeach one's credibility on another— had he said Israel was founded by aliens who physically created the land where there used to be nothing but a hole leading to the Earth's molten core it still wouldn't disprove the facts of what's currently happening there. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:48:49 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:36:36 2014. Where? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:49:34 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:38:23 2014. West Bank. Gaza. Look them up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:50:21 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:38:11 2014. I mentioned them in the last sentence. Those are not part of Israel and are under Israeli occupation. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:50:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 17:41:49 2014. Why is it that people still seriously try to claim that condemning one thing necessarily implies endorsement of literally everything else in existence? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:51:28 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:43:33 2014. Unless you're referring to the literal wounds of the individual Palestinians who blow themselves up, I don't see how it's relevant. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 17:53:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:50:33 2014. so where is the international movement focusing on the rights of pols expelled by Stalin? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:53:12 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:50:21 2014. Not Gaza. It is under Hamas control. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:56:10 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:35:57 2014. 1. What does the British mandate have to do with anything? Britain withdrew and did not make any effort to line up a "replacement" government.2. The West Bank and Gaza were occupied in 1967 to prevent Jordanian and Egyptian aggression. 3. Israel is not a theocracy. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:58:38 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:49:34 2014. Sorry. I thought you were talking about Israel, not parts of Jordan and Egypt that became disputed territories when the Arab nations started a was against Israel in 1967. My bad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:58:41 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:38:49 2014. Nothing. What makes you think I wanted anything? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:00:00 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:39:15 2014. It isn't directly, but I was referring to a specific kind of event in order to establish what I meant. I obviously didn't mean random acts of violence. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:02:07 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:50:21 2014. Those are not part of Israel and are under Israeli occupation.I'll let you reread this sentence and see if you can figure it out. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:02:47 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 17:53:01 2014. "Pols?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:06:23 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:50:33 2014. Because one wonders why of all the similar things in the world you have to pick this one. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:06:55 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:02:47 2014. Poles. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:09:02 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:56:10 2014. 1. What does the British mandate have to do with anything? Britain withdrew and did not make any effort to line up a "replacement" government.Doesn't change the fact that they swept in as a colonial power. Withdrawing does not remove responsibility for the mess they left in their wake. 2. The West Bank and Gaza were occupied in 1967 to prevent Jordanian and Egyptian aggression. The West Bank and Gaza are occupied today. Focus on that. 3. Israel is not a theocracy. Look up the haredi. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:09:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:58:38 2014. They're occupied by Israel.Or do you deny that too? |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:11:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:09:02 2014. Doesn't change the fact that they swept in as a colonial power.when was the last time the area in question wasn't under the control of a colonial power? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:12:22 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 17:58:41 2014. So we agree that the Israelis are oppressing the Palestinians and the Palestinians are not at fault? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:13:03 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:00:00 2014. I don't see the distinction between Palestinians murdering Israelis and blacks murdering whites then. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:13:14 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 17:48:36 2014. A. What irrelevant fact? The fact that Jews have lived in Israel since time immemorial is relevant.B. It does when it is an extremely important fact. If a book on astronomy said that the sun revolves around the Earth, would you have any reason to find anything else in that book to be valid and factual? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:13:32 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:06:55 2014. Who's claiming they can't return to Poland? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:14:11 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 14 17:53:12 2014. Actually, yes. My bad. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:14:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:13:32 2014. they can't return to the part of poland the Stalin Annexed to the Soviet Union. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:15:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:14:51 2014. however the Germans who were expelled from what is now Western Poland are free to return. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:17:26 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:06:23 2014. Because that's the one we were talking about. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:17:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:15:59 2014. That's interesting. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:20:19 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:11:51 2014. Distinctions get harder to make the further removed you are from modern civilisation.Doesn't change the fact that Britain had no right to take over. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 14 18:22:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:13:14 2014. Excellent. Keep the hits coming. At least until sundown or thereabouts :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:23:28 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:13:14 2014. A. What irrelevant fact? The fact that Jews have lived in Israel since time immemorial is relevant.It's not relevant to the claim that they have exclusive rights to Israel now. B. It does when it is an extremely important fact. If a book on astronomy said that the sun revolves around the Earth, would you have any reason to find anything else in that book to be valid and factual? If it said the sky was blue, I'd believe that— and your analogy isn't even relevant. Under the most charitable interpretation, you are trying to claim that the author is wrong about the physical facts that he saw because he's wrong about the semi-obscure history of how it got that way. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:23:56 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:14:51 2014. Which part of Poland? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 18:24:34 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 14 16:24:03 2014. I have wished you a Happy Passover today humpteen times. And you have yet to reciprocate. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:24:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:09:02 2014. 1. So what? Maybe the Rashidun Caliphate or whatever you would consider its successor should take responsibility for conquering Israel and forcing its population to convert to Islam. Also the Roman Republic for conquering it before that.2. And the West Bank is occupied today for good reason. Every attempt to establish a Palestinian State on that land has failed due to Palestinian recalcitrance. 3. What about them? They do not control the Israeli government. By your logic, the United States is a theocracy because of the political power of the Evangelicals. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:25:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:20:19 2014. Yes they did. How was the Ottoman Empire any more a legitimate colonial overlord? |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:26:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:20:19 2014. Doesn't change the fact that Britain had no right to take over.Britain didn't take over |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 14 18:27:03 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:47:05 2014. Don't worry about it. I think I understand your context now. Have a Happy Passover. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:27:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:25:51 2014. If I steal Bob's wallet from him and then you steal it from me, that doesn't make either of us the legitimate owner of the wallet. |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 18:29:12 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:23:56 2014. the part in red on the third map
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 18:30:09 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 18:12:22 2014. No. |
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