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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 01:07:05 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Dec 7 01:02:42 2013. Figured you'd defend Robespierre. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:21:13 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Dec 7 01:00:26 2013. I did not listen.But I will listen in a few weeks. Kind of tired of politics. Right now I'm listening to C2C. Please post your flying itinerary. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:22:40 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 00:59:38 2013. Thanks for attacking.Yeah, I should know more about Mandela because he had such an impact on American life. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 01:24:44 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:22:40 2013. Actually he did ... he's kept the right riled up for decades. :) |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:26:17 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 01:24:44 2013. Mark Steyn mentioned Mandela being in jail. I only listen in my car for a few minutes.Spider-Pig says I'm ignorant but I'm putting together some good workouts. I'm trying not to be ignorant about health and nutrition. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 01:53:40 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:26:17 2013. Cliff notes version then ... Nelson Mandela tried to correct Apartheid through peaceful means. He got nowhere. After a massacre, he formed the ANC. He turned to many nations (including OURS) for assistance. Russians were the only ones who provided support. He was concerned about his own people and his own country and didn't give a shit about what other nations thought.Like in the Middle east where all sides engaged in terrorism in order to achieve their own ends, Mandela turned to terrorism. That cannot be denied. But unlike many terrorists, once Apartheid unraveled, his first efforts and continuing efforts were to form a democratic government where everyone could live in peace. Unlike others, he eschewed terrorism and worked very hard to bring everyone together. That's why some of us recoil about the myopics who only saw the means to the end and considered nothing else. Should we have strung up Menachem Begin or others who resorted to terrorism to birth a nation of democracy and freedom for their people? Accepting the "he's a terrorist" argument is a parallel situation. That he spent the rest of his life after the collapse of Apartheid seeking peace is the reason why he's being celebrated as South Africa's "founding father" of its new democratic self instead of what Botha and DeClerk were doing down there. Those who stop sinning should be forgiven for their sins once they end. That's the way *I* was brought up. Hope this helps, I'll now turn the microphone over to the naysayers. :) |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 03:09:53 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 6 20:23:57 2013. +1 |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 03:10:47 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 21:44:31 2013. +1 |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 03:44:37 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 5 20:58:17 2013. Uhhhh, CVS just called, your meds are ready |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 03:48:47 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 03:44:37 2013. they call people to let them know their meds are ready?i guess you'd know. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 04:04:33 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 6 20:14:28 2013. That's the ticket! 8-) |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 7 04:36:34 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 03:48:47 2013. Thanks for stalking me |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 7 05:58:38 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 01:53:40 2013. What's this funny pseudo-German word "apartheid" anyway? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 08:09:37 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:26:17 2013. You are so fucking ignorant you get all your information from right-wing radio. No wonder you have such a warped view of the world. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 08:17:51 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 7 05:58:38 2013. That word boers me.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 7 08:38:58 2013, in response to Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by SubwaySurf on Thu Dec 5 17:03:08 2013. So olog, chicagomotorman seem to ignore aparthied or that Reagan said that thr government is a beacon of freedom. So olog and chicagomotorman seem to support and sponsor state run racism and therefore wouldve supported hitler when he seperated the jews the same exact way . Chicagomotorman you once again spit on your relatives grave who fought to end such things. By then supporting it. You both support racism and racial divisions and prove yourselves as unamerican and a shame to this nation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 08:52:19 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 7 05:58:38 2013. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togetherheid |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 08:53:31 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 7 08:38:58 2013. As bad as apartheid was, Hitler was worse. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 7 09:47:58 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 08:53:31 2013. Well hitler gasses Jews... but Apartheid was still terrible on many levels, and should not be marginalized and you know that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 09:56:38 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 7 08:38:58 2013. Those 2 would have supported Hitler merely for anticommunist reasons.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 10:13:25 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 00:54:27 2013. LOL!!!Guess what, they didn't!!! Seeing that they were born and raised in a colony where freedom of, and from religion was the norm and education was public and secular they never were hooked into that crazy belief system perpetuated by the oligarchy (nobility) of the time. They didn't go to England to depose King George because it was a difficult and lengthy voyage, where their intent would have too likely been news prior to their landing and therefore a flat out stupid idea and they knew that. It was far easier to fight this on their ground, which they knew. The American Revolution was more of a guerrilla war than you recognize. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 10:17:33 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 00:38:48 2013. Thank you for an accurate statement.Now it's our job to burst it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 10:18:55 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 7 01:26:17 2013. Why doyou insist on proving you are time after time? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 10:20:01 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 01:06:28 2013. He didn't use any. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 10:27:47 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Dec 6 19:43:42 2013. 
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 10:29:54 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Dec 6 20:04:25 2013. 
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 10:32:11 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 6 20:07:59 2013. There was a reason that he stayed on the USA's terrorist watch list for so long. (Bush took him off in 2008.)
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95; gets praise from Bashar Assad |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 7 10:37:48 2013, in response to Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95; gets praise from Bashar Assad, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 6 23:35:44 2013. Also got praise from Ted Cruz, LOL. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Dec 7 10:42:26 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 00:39:42 2013. More trash from Olog-hai. It never ends!!! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 7 10:42:33 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 6 20:07:59 2013. Yup, there was a reason, one that you decry so often. Bureaucratic inertia, or government screw-up. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Dec 7 10:47:21 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 00:40:37 2013. You weren't even born when the Founding Fathers were alive!! Stop making stuff up!!! :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 10:50:07 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 00:39:42 2013. lol!rhodesia.nl LOLOLOLOL!!!!! What are you going to link to next? abyssinia.it? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 11:00:05 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Dec 7 01:04:43 2013. Marxist propaganda. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 11:03:46 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 08:17:51 2013. HAHA!! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Dec 7 11:14:04 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 7 00:39:42 2013. GEE, more crap from Olog-hai. It never ends!!! :) |
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Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 11:29:34 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 01:53:40 2013. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sat Dec 7 11:37:28 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 7 08:09:37 2013. IAWTP |
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Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 12:05:10 2013, in response to Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa, posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 11:29:34 2013. Lou Reed at 3:20 lolyour pal, Fred |
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Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 12:16:08 2013, in response to Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 12:05:10 2013. Yasser Arafat at 5:00. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 7 12:24:31 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 10:13:25 2013. The RevWar was ALL about guerrila tactics. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 7 12:26:54 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 7 12:24:31 2013. Agreed. Everyone knows this. Yet we have this fool, who wasn't born here, making stupid claims. |
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Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 7 12:28:37 2013, in response to Re: Silvio Dante and NOT Mandela Ended Apartheid in South Africa, posted by SMAZ on Sat Dec 7 12:16:08 2013. On the traps, yeah. That dude can play.your pal, Fred |
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Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 12:50:52 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Dec 6 00:37:30 2013. For those of you who want a more nuanced analysis of Mandela's relationships with the Palestinians, Israelis, and worldwide Jewry, click here. |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Dec 7 13:17:37 2013, in response to Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 12:50:52 2013. You cannot to loyal to both Jews and palestinians. |
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Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 7 13:17:45 2013, in response to Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 7 05:58:38 2013. Dutch. :) |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 13:27:54 2013, in response to Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Dec 7 13:17:37 2013. Did you actually read the entire article? I said it was for people who wanted a nuanced viewpoint. |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 7 13:52:46 2013, in response to Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 13:27:54 2013. Ill read it throughly when I get home. What is your opinion? Surprise me. |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 13:58:05 2013, in response to Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 7 13:52:46 2013. I don't have strong opinions on Mandela one way or the other. It does make for interesting reading, however, on the relationships between Mandela, the PLO, and the Jewish world, and also between Israel and South Africa. History and politics aren't as simplistic as you and some others here wish they were. |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 7 14:17:34 2013, in response to Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 13:58:05 2013. You're neutral in other words. You have a opinion on arafat? Maybe this time I'll be surprised. |
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Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 7 14:19:59 2013, in response to Re: Mandela, Israelis, & Palestinians Re: Nelson Mandela Has Died At 95., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Dec 7 13:58:05 2013. You're neutral in other words. You have a opinion on arafat? Maybe this time I'll be surprised. |
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