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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 15 19:08:25 2013, in response to So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:06:11 2013. You're still talking about this speed bump and you didn't even bring up youtube? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 15 19:10:22 2013, in response to So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:06:11 2013. - The CIA prepared the talking points. They didn't want the CIA to look badUm, no. The CIA released them. The State Dept prepared them, as the just released e-mails show. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 19:17:31 2013, in response to So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:06:11 2013. And on 2, the Clandestine service didn't want to tip anybody's hand as to who knew what until they'd finished their own analysis. Information as to what information had been gathered can compromise feet on the ground. That's a no-no. Unless of course republicans decide to do it. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:22:57 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 15 19:10:22 2013. If true, so what? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:29:15 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 15 19:10:22 2013. Um, Cheney and Hannity on Fox say the CIA prepared the talking points correctly and then State messed them up.http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2013/05/14/dick-cheney-benghazi-cover-still-ongoing |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 19:34:50 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:29:15 2013. Now now ... gotta wait for the FOX "correction" update. :)It'll be on once these finish scrolling by ... Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. President Obama does not want to take away T-shirt guns. Most women have only two breasts. The Memphis Grizzlies are not a gay blues band. Scientology was not founded by I Ron Man. Bangladesh is not an 80s metal band. Peaking at ladies' butts is not a background check. Actual crows do have feet. Pot pie is legal in every state. The California wildfires are not a soccer team. Jason Collins was not turned gay by a Washington Wizard. The NRA is not a branch of government. Foreign visas do not let Russian students go on shopping sprees. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. Number 2 pencils are not sad that they lost. Plan B birth control is not masturbating. Justin Bieber and Anne Frank were not an item. President Obama did not just wake up in Mexico. F.A.A. does not stand for "Fart A**, A**" Croquettes are not female crocodiles. Kanye West is not an African American vacation destination. Syria is not Arabic for "serious." Rice and beans are edible. Ricin beans are not. Casual Friday is not in the Bill of Rights. Sam Adams was not too drunk to sign the Constitution. The Gitmo prisoners are not working on their beach bodies. Force feeding is not how Jedi’s eat. Kevin Costner does not live in Watertown. Smurfs are not elected. Smurfs are not appointed. Smurfs are cartoons. Aretha Franklin and Patti Labelle have been in the same room together. Anytime minutes don’t let you call the future. 4 and 3 aren’t basically the same thing. Rock beats scissors. Zach Braff is not the sound a trumpet makes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:36:09 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:29:15 2013. That's almost what one of the released e-mails said today. The CIA says it revised the report in accordance with the state department's desired narrative of the events. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 19:38:35 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 15 19:10:22 2013. PWN3D |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 19:38:53 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:36:09 2013. PWN3D |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 15 19:44:46 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 19:38:53 2013. +1 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:45:21 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 19:38:35 2013. Except Fox (and everyone else) says Chris is wrong. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:46:17 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:36:09 2013. Exactly. But Chris was claiming the opposite. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 19:46:23 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:45:21 2013. When Olog posts his usual "PWNED" it's first person speech. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:47:40 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:46:17 2013. Well that certainly is more damning to the obama administration if the State Dept. requested the changes. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed May 15 19:50:45 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Dave on Wed May 15 19:44:46 2013. Benghazi was a JOKE. YOU NAZIS cheered and waved flags when Bush sent 4,000 US troops to their deaths. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:53:13 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:47:40 2013. Hey, not many people here are claiming that the Obama Administration covered itself with glory. Just that it was routine stupidity and self-interest, not Watergate. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:54:39 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by RockParkMan on Wed May 15 19:50:45 2013. "Benghazi was a JOKE."Four US patriots killed in a terrorist attack, hahahhahahahhaahahhahah. I can see the liberal point of view. Are you sure that's really what you meant to say? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:55:58 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:54:39 2013. RockParkMan is not a liberal. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:56:00 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:53:13 2013. And if obama said it from the git-go it would be no news today. But he lied. Hillary lied. The American public was lied to. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 15 20:01:13 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 19:56:00 2013. Grasping at straws sir... trying to make this into a fiasco of failure like the original 9/11 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 20:27:09 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 19:17:31 2013. Yes, it looks like Michael Morrell, CIA Deputy Director agreed with the State Department about taking out references to terrorists while Petraeus wanted to keep them in. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 20:36:22 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 20:27:09 2013. Well ... back to the conservatard furor ... still can't fly missions in there to save anybody when you don't have bases nearby and on alert. After all, it was an "embassy" ... and as the wheels spin today, Christopher either demanded or refused protection depending on whose spin your eye catches. I'll wait. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 20:40:16 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 15 20:01:13 2013. If we had some ham we could have ham and eggs if we had some eggs.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 20:42:34 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 20:40:16 2013. Blues Brothers called it a "wish sandwich" ... :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 21:57:52 2013, in response to So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:06:11 2013. That's pretty much David Brooks' take on it as he stated on Meet the Press.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 22:09:36 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 20:36:22 2013. Fmr Defense Sec. Gates shot down all the Rambo theories.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 15 22:22:23 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 22:09:36 2013. Yeah, caught that on S-SPIN. :)But hey ... pajamasmedia had jets ready to go but nobody sounded the klaxon. Heh. 
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 15 22:24:54 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 15 20:01:13 2013. Well then I guess that's what it is. It's good to know that you have the clarity to see what the majority of Americans are confused about. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 16 02:00:33 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by RockParkMan on Wed May 15 19:50:45 2013. Bush sent 4,000 US troops to their deaths.4488. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 16 02:22:14 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Fred G on Wed May 15 22:09:36 2013. I love the wording he used.The GOP having "cartoonish views of military capability". |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 16 02:30:24 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 16 02:22:14 2013. 
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Posted by Charles G on Thu May 16 03:05:35 2013, in response to So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:06:11 2013. And, what of the part where the administration knowingly sent Susan Rice out to the Sunday talk shows to lie to the American people? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 16 08:38:13 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Thu May 16 03:05:35 2013. The CIA and State Department agreed she should lie by withholding CIA knowledge of terrorist activity. The Deputy Director of the CIA was strongly in favor of withholding this information while the Director was not, but the Director gave in.Lying to not make the State Department look bad is very shabby, even when it has no consequences. Lying to protect CIA sources, which the deputy director was trying to do, is not if the consequences are as minimal as these were. What damage was done by refusing to admit on Sunday that the US knew it was planned terrorist activity? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 16 08:45:44 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 16 02:00:33 2013. Old news. What about the 4 that dies 8 months ago. Do they not count? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 16 13:06:35 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Thu May 16 03:05:35 2013. pwnt. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 16 13:40:11 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 16 13:06:35 2013. So then answer my question. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 11:29:19 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Thu May 16 08:38:13 2013. So it's OK with you if the government covers up its own ineptitude in order to ensure that the President doesn't look bad in an election year?And you're OK with the US Government blaming a YouTube video when they knew that serious terrorists were really behind the attack? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:00:14 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 11:29:19 2013. So it's OK with you if the government covers up its own ineptitude in order to ensure that the President doesn't look bad in an election year?And you're OK with the US Government blaming a YouTube video when they knew that serious terrorists were really behind the attack? 1. The government didn't cover up its ineptitude. It was known right away. Please note however that the Obama administration has better protected American installations abroad than any other administration since President Ford. Mistakes happen, and they've happened less under Obama. Hoepfully they'll happen even less going forward. 2. I'm OK with it because the deputy director of the CIA strongly argued that he didn't want it to be known that the CIA knew that it was planned terrorism. I would have preferred if their concealment of that knowledge had been handled better. They could have said it's quite likely to be terrorism without tipping their hand about what they knew. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:15:09 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Thu May 16 08:38:13 2013. This itself is a lie. It was the State Dept, not the CIA. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:16:15 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:00:14 2013. Clearly you do not understand the facts here. I suggest you broaden your reading menu to sources outside the NYT. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:19:02 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:15:09 2013. ???Unclear antecedent. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:19:14 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 19:46:17 2013. Bullshit. That's the central point of the entire issue, the covering up of a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 because it was politically embarassing. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:19:37 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:16:15 2013. So you disagree that the deputy director of the CIA argued against revealing any knowledge that this was terrorism? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:21:20 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:19:14 2013. Huh?You said the State Department prepared the talking points. Even Fox says you are wrong about that. The CIA prepared them, and then the State Department wanted, and got, changes. But so what? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 13:03:26 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:00:14 2013. So, to be clear, you're OK with the government lying when it suits their own purposes. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:05:46 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 13:03:26 2013. I'm OK with the CIA concealing what it knows for temporary time periods when speedy revelation would be damaging to US interests. You are not? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:13:40 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:05:46 2013. Funny how those on the left are ok with the left lying and vice versa for the right yet neither admits to it being partisan. And the reasons for both are essentially the same. If the lying enables the furthering of their agenda then it's for the greater good. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:22:34 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:13:40 2013. Funny how those on the left are ok with the left lying and vice versa for the right yet neither admits to it being partisan.The CIA is the "left"? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:24:53 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:22:34 2013. Oh yeah. The deflection also happens. Thanks for reminding us. lol. |
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