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Posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:13:39 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 16 09:44:08 2013. Get an up-to-date example. We have NOT found neutrinos faster than the speed of light. The sloppy scientists that reported this science-shaking Einstein-refuting news didn't realize that their GPS was faulty.The faith-based (faith in the infallibility of scientists) response of the gullible media heralded all sorts of absurdities based on this "science." |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 16 14:29:22 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:13:39 2013. You missed the point. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:41:51 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:13:39 2013. The sloppy scientists that reported this science-shaking Einstein-refuting news didn't realize that their GPS was faulty.Yes and despite their incorrectness, they continued to codify their findings and put to death everyone who questioned them. /sarcasm. you get my drift. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:48:55 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:41:51 2013. Try being a scientist that has a disagreement on a trendy topic like AGW. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:53:10 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:48:55 2013. Given the bankroll behind that scientist, it's probably not so bad.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Amanda on Sat Feb 16 15:31:04 2013, in response to Atheism, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 15 18:56:15 2013. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 15:56:15 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:48:55 2013. LOL! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 16 16:16:27 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:07:21 2013. Trouble is, the athiests cannot answer where the mustard seed "Matter" came from and why it exploded. In a similar vein, a friend of mine insists that we were formed by aliens. I always ask that, if they created us, who created them? Still waiting for an answer! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 16:25:48 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 16 16:16:27 2013. Who created God? Still waiting for answer to that?At least we don't go ahead inventing bullshit to explain things. We just accept that there are some things we don't know and work on trying to figure it out. You just say "A Wizard Did It" and call it a day. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 16:28:05 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 16:25:48 2013. Who created God? Still waiting for answer to that?I think that you know the answer to that! Or you think that you do. ;) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 16:36:55 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 16:28:05 2013. I know the answer to that. The difference is that hypocritical theists complain that non-divine explanations for the origin of the universe are incomplete and therefore there must have been some deity to bring it all about, and completely ignore that the introduction of such a deity leads to the same exact problem and is therefore superfluous to the extent that it is used to explain the initial creation of the universe.I also get a kick out of how the ignorami refer to a singularity as something comparatively massive like a "mustard seed." Of course it sounds ridiculous when you mischaracterize it. Unfortunately, religiously-motivated origin myths are patently ridiculous even when explained accurately. So you believe that a mustard seed is ridiculous but the earth and plants preceding the existence of the Sun and stars is not? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 16:53:13 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 16:36:55 2013. So you believe that a mustard seed is ridiculous but the earth and plants preceding the existence of the Sun and stars is not?I think that the big bang is pretty settled, but I'm always open to new and better explanations. I don't even know what a mustard seed is. I do have some crazy theories about life and existence, but I don't see why that would bother anyone. But given my own eccentricities other people's crazy theories don't bother me. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 17:51:05 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:53:10 2013. Yes, science is amenable to the corruption of money. And that works both ways. And you have faith that one side is right. Who says science isn't faith-based. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 17:54:22 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:42:19 2013. I also mock your belief that it makes less sense than A Wizard Did It.But does it make more sense than A Wizard Did It. The problem of substituting gullibility for superstition. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 16 17:57:52 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 14:13:39 2013. Get an up-to-date example.Good point. I found one:  >
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 16 18:00:38 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 16 16:53:13 2013. I do have some crazy theories about life and existence,let's hear them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 18:01:21 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 16 17:54:22 2013. It does not make more sense than A Wizard Did It. That is the ultimate copout. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Feb 16 19:17:41 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 11:41:27 2013. That's what I just said.From one waste of bandwidth, and oxygen, to the other. Morons in Stereo. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 16 19:19:47 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 16:36:55 2013. the introduction of such a deity leads to the same exact problem and is therefore superfluous to the extent that it is used to explain the initial creation of the universe.The deity, as creator of the universe, is not subject to the laws of the universe, such as the law that says that you have to be created in order to exist. It would be like saying that if I put together a virtual city with a computer program, then I must not exist because I am not subject to the programming that runs the city. The deity is also not, as you like to say, a wizard. A wizard is, at best, a super-human. To make God into simply a super-human is to miss the essence of theism. It may be a form of deism, but most theists are not deists. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 19:28:37 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Feb 16 19:17:41 2013. No you don't seem to understand. I was mocking your sexlessness.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 19:35:53 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 16 19:19:47 2013. Wizards, in this sense, are fictional, so I can call anything a wizard. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:46:43 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 19:07:21 2013. Actually no, science isn't belief.That being said, devout atheists are no better than religious fundamentalists. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:47:57 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:43:02 2013. Well, physicists sure do. At some point after the big bizzang it had to have been. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:49:24 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 15 19:44:24 2013. It's scientifically inaccurate. Calling it "oddball" seems more like an insult than an argument. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:52:50 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 19:42:19 2013. The accuracy of the quoted text isn't the issue, it's the ironic juxtaposition of attitudes used by atheists against people of faith which makes it funny.Firmly believing that there is no God is no different than firmly believing in a defined God within an organized religion. Both are dangerous when taken to extremes. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:57:24 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:41:51 2013. In some scientific fields, you commit suicide if you argue against accepted dogma (climate). Science is science, but scientists are human. Absolute faith in science is not science.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:59:18 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 18:01:21 2013. What about "before the big bang, there was nothing?" |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:01:51 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 16 16:16:27 2013. All matter was once energy. That's where it came from. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:04:42 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Fred G on Sat Feb 16 14:53:10 2013. These days, the corruption of money in the climate debate is now more likely to be coming from the pro-AGW side. Big Oil bankrolling climate skepticism is an obsolete viewpoint. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:11:42 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:04:42 2013. LOL! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:12:28 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 15 20:13:10 2013. He's been around a long time, but not as frequent a poster as in the past. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:12:39 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:04:42 2013. Only have to see the result of AGW policies, and it's more taxes, more taxes, more taxes—especially global taxes, which is an imperialistic thing. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:13:47 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:59:18 2013. No, the belief is that before the Big Bang, we don't know what there was.What about the theists' belief that before the Creation, there was nothing? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:15:19 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:11:42 2013. Scientists all scramble for government funding for research, and none of it goes to anti-AGW studies. Third world countries scramble for monies meant to ameliorate the effects of global warming, real or imagined. Corporations that profit on "green energy" have a vested interest in keeping AGW hysteria high. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:16:00 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 22:57:24 2013. In some scientific fields, you commit suicide if you argue against accepted dogma (climate)That's not a scientific field, then. Science is purely objective, otherwise you are not dealing with science but fraud. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:16:52 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:12:39 2013. All I know is that Al Gore has made hundreds of millions off of AGW fearmongering. It's now a for-profit business. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:17:11 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:15:19 2013. Scientists all scramble for government funding for research, and none of it goes to anti-AGW studiesGovernment funding distorts the impetus. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:17:31 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:16:52 2013. It always was. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:17:54 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:13:47 2013. Belief is not science. You can't prove religion with science. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:17:58 2013, in response to Atheism, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Feb 15 18:56:15 2013. Atheism is the opiate of the secular masses. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:22:17 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 16 14:04:29 2013. So you are a RINO. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:25:19 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:15:19 2013. You bias is shown by your supposition that someone could propose an "anti-AGW study" and seek reputable funding for it. Any scientist who pre-judges that the result of his study would be Anti-AGW is a charlatan and would never get any funding from a reputable source. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:26:23 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:17:54 2013. True. But belief based on non-evidence is meaningless. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 16 23:26:35 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:17:54 2013. But you can DISprove science with religion. LOL |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:29:26 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 15 19:44:24 2013. That's not the Biblical account. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:31:27 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:26:23 2013. Faith is belief specifically with a lack of evidence. They are not mutually exclusive. Science cannot explain what set off the big bang. What's wrong with believing an all powerful Creator set it off?Science is great. Faith in science is not. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:32:27 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 23:29:26 2013. A lot of Christian beliefs are not found in the Bible.And actually, a lot of the Biblical Creation story is perfectly compatible with the evolutionary theory, if you suppose that a Creator started it all. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:35:48 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:31:27 2013. OK. It's certainly possible to believe that God started the universe by setting off the Big Bang. That is in essence the position of the Catholic Church. But most faith-based believers seem to deny that in favor of a literal belief in Genesis. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:41:13 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:35:48 2013. It's certainly possible to believe that God started the universe by setting off the Big Bang.Not really. My point is that it's no big deal if you believe He did. Whether the universe was created 15 billion years ago in a giant explosion or over a 6 day period in the month of October of 4004 BC, it's not worth hating over, or killing over. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 16 23:43:11 2013, in response to Re: Atheism, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 16 23:41:13 2013. That's the most sensible thing I've heard today. |
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