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Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007 edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What cool styling! Link heyah
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by busdude2* on Thu Oct 11 13:28:00 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thats ugly as hell !
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Dr. Casca* on Thu Oct 11 13:38:07 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Oh, no, no no no no no...wtf is THAT shit? Ugh, more go-kart plastic shit...
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Oct 11 13:41:51 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Dr. Casca on Thu Oct 11 13:38:07 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There's nothing wrong with plastic in and of itself, right?
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The Model Is...Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by rionOne* on Thu Oct 11 13:48:49 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Dr. Casca on Thu Oct 11 13:38:07 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Its called a DesignLine MK-1 HEV.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by RonInBayside* on Thu Oct 11 13:51:16 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 11 13:41:51 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Better living through chemistry.
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Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by rionOne* on Thu Oct 11 14:00:54 2007, in response to The Model Is...Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 13:48:49 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This bus isn't even all that new, this particular bus has been around since May of this year. It ran at the Wachovia Championship in Charlotte, NC, which explains the paint scheme. It also has a sibling, so who knows if the MTA has the second unit or just this one. And if not, where is the second unit now?! Regards, Trevor Logan
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by kcram3500* on Thu Oct 11 14:26:39 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A bus in NYC with no bumpers... maintenance will just love that.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Eric B* on Thu Oct 11 14:27:03 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by busdude2 on Thu Oct 11 13:28:00 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It looks sort of like an RTS with a new spin in the front windsheild. I see a lot of new designs are doing "asymmetrical" curved line stuff like that (like the rear of the new Orions testing in Queens). I guess it's for variety? I also like that it uses the combusion engine only for charging; otherwise, it runs only on the electric! Is this less than 40 ft? It's hard to tell. And I wonder which depot it will be at. (And isn't it interesting to see other colors and patterns on an MTA NTCY bus?)
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA - mileage number
Posted by q55viamyrtle* on Thu Oct 11 14:37:43 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That mileage doesn't sound that great. I thought the O7s do much better than that.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Oct 11 14:41:39 2007, in response to Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 14:00:54 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, I saw all that on the website. Really something. Funny how they snuck it into the city without anyone here posting about it first :)
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by caine515* on Thu Oct 11 15:10:38 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d that looks really cool. Bet it's on the M42 line. An excuse to get to the city soon.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 15:26:55 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 11 14:41:39 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Actually I found out about this bus about 3 days ago, but I didn't think it was gonna be here this fast. Trevor
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Thu Oct 11 15:39:38 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That looks like one of the new King Long buses from China. In fact, the front's exactly the same. Absolutely disgusting. It's worse than the Orion VII.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 15:40:11 2007, in response to Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 14:00:54 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Any idea on where it can be currently found?
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 11 15:41:01 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 15:26:55 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So is it already in service? On the M42?
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 15:52:16 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 15:40:11 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Never mind that, I just reread the article. Since I'll be in the city this weekend, and Monday and Tuesday, I'll probably go looking for it on the M42 at some point.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by AMoreira81* on Thu Oct 11 20:00:52 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Dr. Casca on Thu Oct 11 13:38:07 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It looks bad, but I'll look out for it tomorrow on the M42 (where the article said it would be testing).
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Thu Oct 11 20:18:15 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by busdude2 on Thu Oct 11 13:28:00 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The fire and brimstone of HELL looks better.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by AMoreira81* on Thu Oct 11 20:18:30 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 11 14:27:03 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The article said it was testing on 42 Street, which means it is at Quill.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Thu Oct 11 20:24:50 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 15:39:38 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, I retract part of my statement -- the color scheme is good. Too bad it's copyrighted by Wachovia, for it would be nice to see it on existing buses. And it's not quite as bad as the Orion VII, although the front comes very close.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Kriston Lewis* on Thu Oct 11 20:33:51 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'm starting to hate the future.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Thu Oct 11 20:33:58 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That thing looks like it should be used only on those route 4 runs from the GWB terminal, to NJ, or those NY to Patterson runs, from the terminal. That is one of the most ugliest concept on wheels I have ever seen. That is not a bus, but an overgrown cheap looking and made RV. Heck I have seen RV's that look more like a bus than that hideous monstrosity on wheels. The New Flyer Invero's ass, looks better than the front of that ugly duckling. I hope the MTA says no to the ugly duck. It does look like it could float though. If they really want Hybrid buses faster, they need to make up with New Flyer. Have Orion and New Flyer build the Hybrids. Just don't mix the buses at depots. Orion VII at some, New Flyers at others. Maybe even have the Flyer in OA territory (Manhattan/Bronx), and the Orion VII in Queens/STI/Brooklyn.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by trnsper on Thu Oct 11 20:36:16 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 15:52:16 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It is on a 60 day test for the propulsion system, just like gillig 5770 was. There will be 30 days on the m42 and 30 days at mta bus, probably at baisely park
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Thu Oct 11 20:45:25 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 11 14:27:03 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Is this less than 40 ft? It's hard to tell. According to the blurb on the evening news it's a 35 footer.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Thu Oct 11 20:47:46 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Oct 11 20:33:58 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The New Flyer Invero's ass, looks better than the front of that ugly duckling. There's nothing wrong with the Invero! Off-topic -- this is one of the only hybrid Inveros in existence.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 20:48:39 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by trnsper on Thu Oct 11 20:36:16 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for the info!
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA - mileage number
Posted by AMoreira81* on Thu Oct 11 20:49:07 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA - mileage number, posted by q55viamyrtle on Thu Oct 11 14:37:43 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The average hybrid city bus gets about 4.5 to 5 mpg. The most efficient hybrids I am aware of are the D4000 hybrids at NJ Transit, which I have been told approach 10 mpg. (The hybrid RTSs there get about 5 to 5.5 mpg.)
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by AMoreira81* on Thu Oct 11 20:50:54 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Oct 11 20:33:58 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The D40I was a great looking bus, however...even the rear end. The build quality, however...quite something else.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Thu Oct 11 20:54:36 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 20:47:46 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Hey you. That's the front. I said the ass. Actually I like the Inveros design. Especially the OC Transpo diesel ones.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Thu Oct 11 21:07:16 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Oct 11 20:54:36 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d All right, then.
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Dr. Casca* on Thu Oct 11 22:33:54 2007, in response to Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by rionOne on Thu Oct 11 14:00:54 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Ugh, more experimental hush-hush plastic shit... What else, a Stallion Bus OTR demo for NYCT/MTA Bus??? shrugs meh, whatever...
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Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 11 22:40:45 2007, in response to Re: Some More Info On This Bus...Re: The Model Is...Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Dr. Casca on Thu Oct 11 22:33:54 2007. edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Again, what's wrong with plastic?
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by DA74* on Thu Oct 11 23:15:57 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This bus did not copy from the Chinese one, in fact, is is the other way around, the Chinese copy them. These buses has been used in Hong Kong for a few years, however, it is not widely used.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Bee Flexible #823* on Fri Oct 12 00:39:47 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Is it me or are the buses looking cheaper and cheaper by the day? What is the MTA thinking in ordering this cheap piece of plastic crap? WHY would they even consider in ordering this garbage? The Orion VII looks like gold compared to this contraption and I hate the Orion VIIs as well. I wish they made buses the way they used to. This sucks. I'm getting bored with NYC and its buses. But I'll get a look at this thing up close for myself as I'll be in the city within the next few days.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Bee Flexible #823* on Fri Oct 12 00:40:37 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Oct 11 20:33:51 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You and me both.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Edwards!* on Fri Oct 12 01:47:22 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 11 21:07:16 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thats one UGLY BUS.
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Fri Oct 12 01:53:05 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 12 01:47:22 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d the invero can't be that bad, especially considering that buses such as this one exist:
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Oct 12 06:36:27 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Oct 12 00:39:47 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Again, what is wrong with plastic?
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Mr RT* on Fri Oct 12 07:31:43 2007, in response to Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 11 13:12:24 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Very interesting reading ..... Thanks Ron for the link.
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Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Oct 12 10:00:08 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by Mr RT on Fri Oct 12 07:31:43 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Logo is Wachovia, not the manufacturer. Also, I doubt they are serious about buying this exact bus, as the article claims. Instead I think they are just evaluating the concept in general. Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com Bus of the future has maiden voyage By David Freedlander, amNewYork Staff Writer dfreedlander@am-ny.com October 12, 2007 "Come on in, it still takes your money," the bus driver said yesterday to confused would-be riders staring dumbfounded at the MTA's latest rollout, a 35-foot-long electric hybrid that's on a two-month-long trial run up and down 42nd Street. As the bus took its inaugural rush-hour run yesterday, giddy straphangers waiting in the rain in Turtle Bay for the crosstown journey piled in like school kids on a field trip. "Oh, it feels like I'm going to the airport," said one man as he climbed aboard with his wife. Indeed, the newest addition to the MTA's fleet does feel like it's about to drop riders off at the Rent-a-Car lot. With clean, blue cloth seats, silver poles without straps, and big tinted windows, the bus promises all the comforts New Yorkers have come not to expect on public transportation. The bus is on a 60-day test run throughout the city. If all goes well, the MTA plans on purchasing a bunch of them. It gets eight to 10 miles per gallon on its hybrid electric turbine engine. And without all that gas-powered churning of most buses, it's pin-drop quiet too. Quiet enough in fact to amplify every other cell phone conversation being had on the bus. And quiet enough to hear the ear- rattling rap music pouring out of another rider's headphones. "This is the maiden voyage," explained Gene Vilarelle in a thick, homegrown accent. He's been assigned by the MTA to ride up and down 42nd Street every day for the next couple of weeks to gauge rider reaction. "I'm the maitre d'. Who'd like some drinks?" The ride of the future, though, still moves at a horse-and-buggy pace because of traffic, testing the straphangers' typical New York patience. "Your average speed on 42nd Street is 7 mph," Vilarelle said. "If we hit all the lights you'd really see this thing purr." Riders piled on, getting up to make room for the old or infirm. At 98 inches across, the bus is narrower than the rest of the MTA fleet. "There's no room to put your legs," said Joan Cuomo, 84. "A lot of tourists take the bus. Where are they supposed to put their bags?" The windows are penthouse-sized, but tinted, making it difficult to see out, and the back windows are covered completely with the logo of the New Zealand based company that manufactured it. "How am I supposed to get off," yells a middle-aged blonde haired woman with a Burberry scarf and Prada sunglasses from the rear of the bus. "There's no buzzer back here. What we supposed to do, just yell at the driver?" "This is just a prototype," Vilarelle explains. "If we decide we want to buy more of them they will come fully outfitted." "But I need to get off on now! Where's Fifth Avenue?" Her high heels catch on the stairs as she stumbles out after missing her stop. Vilarelle shrugs. "New Yorkers are used to things a certain way, I guess. They really don't like change."
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Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA
Posted by Deaks* on Fri Oct 12 10:59:17 2007, in response to Re: Newest Hybrid for MTA, posted by DA74 on Thu Oct 11 23:15:57 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There has been a small batch of this type of bus in use in England for a few years too. Whether they still run or not I don't know but there were about five in use in Newcastle-upon-Tyne from around 2004.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Fri Oct 12 11:02:27 2007, in response to Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 12 10:00:08 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d 35ft long, and 98 inches across. Just what we need. A smaller butt ugly bus, for growing ridership.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by busdude2* on Fri Oct 12 11:05:07 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by DOB2RTO on Fri Oct 12 11:02:27 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Your right its ugly its never gonna happen they are glued to orion.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Fri Oct 12 11:19:34 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by busdude2 on Fri Oct 12 11:05:07 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They better get glued to GOO Flyer. I want to see some DE40LFRs here. I am tired of the Onion VIIs.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by AMoreira81* on Fri Oct 12 11:29:44 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by DOB2RTO on Fri Oct 12 11:19:34 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It could be worse...across the Hudson in NJ, it is MCI diarrhea.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by busdude2* on Fri Oct 12 11:40:13 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 11:29:44 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I thought you liked njt's mci's.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by DOB2RTO* on Fri Oct 12 11:59:17 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Oct 12 11:29:44 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Speaking of which, yesterday I seen DeCamp's MCI D model with the new rear, on the Cross Bronx from West Farms depot. Today I was behind a Coach USA one, on 145st. I think the bus route was 203. Up close it actually looks good.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by AMoreira81* on Fri Oct 12 12:16:16 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by busdude2 on Fri Oct 12 11:40:13 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I do...but it can become like diarrhea...but then again, the model can become synonymous with the agency.
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Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com
Posted by AMoreira81* on Fri Oct 12 12:18:52 2007, in response to Re: Article: Bus of the future has maiden voyage -- amNY.com, posted by DOB2RTO on Fri Oct 12 11:59:17 2007.* edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That sounds more like a run than a route if you ask me, going to Orange. If it was a 704xx unit, Orange County has been buying these buses for ShortLine...but I'm surprised that they don't have OFFICIAL plates since they are government-owned (the 704xx units). 70271-5 at ShortLine do have OFFICIAL plates.
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