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BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007 I was asked to post the following infomation from my Spring Creek contact.Starting May 29th(the start of the new pick for Spring Creek), the BQM1 will be renamed to BM5. They already have new schedules in the garage that shows BM5 on the timetable cover and the pick sheets even show BM5 on them. I don't really know the exact reason behind it but I got 1 reason behind this and that is: some people who want the BM1 ends up boarding a BQM1 because it has the #1 in it. However, this can be the sign of things to come in the near future for some of the other routes |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 12 11:11:41 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. If they think like this in a system-wide manner the QM1A confusion will end soon.May 29th sounds odd though. That it is a Tuesday. Service changes never start in the middle of the week. Are you sure of the date? |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th (just realized) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 12 11:12:26 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 12 11:11:41 2007. Just realized that May 29th is in fact the start of the week because of Memorial Day.Sorry. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th (just realized) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 11:28:54 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th (just realized), posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 12 11:12:26 2007. The pick would start on a Sunday, actually. But Spring Creek Depot would be closed both that day and Monday. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:07:37 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. BM5 sounds so pedestrian. I liked BQM1 better. In addition, it let people know the route was traveling via the LIE. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 12 12:12:02 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:07:37 2007. It's a unnecessary name change, like Brewster North to Southeast. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 12:28:33 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat May 12 12:12:02 2007. No, it gave riders the impression that the bus serves a substantial area of Queens which it doesn't. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:42:57 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 12:28:33 2007. No, it let them know it was operating via the LIE and Queens-Midtown Tunnel instead of the Battery Tunnel like the other former Command Bus routes. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by R30A on Sat May 12 13:10:48 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:42:57 2007. Which is wholly irrellevant! |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 13:26:49 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:42:57 2007. Irrelevant -- does the BQM1 make stops along the LIE or Woodhaven? |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 15:50:24 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 13:26:49 2007. IIRC it makes one or two stops along Woodhaven. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 15:54:58 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 15:50:24 2007. Try ZERO stops along Woodhaven. The QM15 line runs along that section from Howard Beach/157 Avenue.The ONLY stop in Queens is just across the Kings County boundary, at 79 and Linden. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 15:55:52 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 12:42:57 2007. No...there is another term for that, called Super Express. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 16:01:06 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 15:50:24 2007. No, it doesn't. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 16:08:06 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 15:50:24 2007. Name these stops, then. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 18:04:20 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 16:08:06 2007. It doesn't stop on Woodhaven (I confused Woodhaven and Linden Blvd). However, it does stop in Queens (Linden and 79st). |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 18:05:19 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 15:55:52 2007. Super Express implies it's operating on the FDR from 23rd to the Battery-that's not what the BQM1 does. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 18:09:27 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. "I don't really know the exact reason behind it but I got 1 reason behind this and that is: some people who want the BM1 ends up boarding a BQM1 because it has the #1 in it."Yo! HA HA HA HA HA HA If this was such a problem, why didn't they change the route number earlier? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 18:28:06 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 18:05:19 2007. Where it operates to midtown is irrelevant. The fact is that the BQM1 (BM5) is a Midtown Only bus. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 18:28:56 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 18:09:27 2007. Because the BM5 was likely reserved for another route before (someone else can fill it in if that is the case). |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat May 12 18:42:13 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 18:09:27 2007. I think did didn't change it earlier because "BQM1" was the designation assigned to Pioneer/Command. However, in NYC, an operator's designation can be different from the NYCDOT assigned or may not be assigned at all |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 18:51:04 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 18:28:56 2007. If not BM5 then why not use BM6? I mean they weren't limited to the lower numbers were they?But I still wonder why they have the B100 and B103 when there's no B90 or something being used. or having the B103 renumbered as the B101. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sat May 12 19:43:33 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 18:51:04 2007. Because I do believe that many years ago, there was (or was in the works) a B101 and a B102. Can someone back me up on that one please? |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sat May 12 19:44:48 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. I like the new change. The BM5 sounds great. NOw maybe if they can change the route a little bit and the MTA might have something. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:48:57 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The TransitMan on Sat May 12 19:44:48 2007. What surprises me is why the MTA just doesn't rename routes with the X designation and NYCTA-style route designations. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 12 19:55:34 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:48:57 2007. I think that will be phased in over the next couple of years. the big question is whether they will squeeze into the NYCT X-bus numbering scheme, or start a new scheme [X101, etc...]. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:59:48 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 12 19:55:34 2007. I would expect that it be done into the existing numbering scheme (assuming the routes survive til then).Spring Creek would have X33-6 and 40. Queens has 52-62, 65-7, and higher available. Bronx could use whatever else is available. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 20:00:10 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:59:48 2007. The MTA had said: For now, route numbers will not be changed. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:02:35 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The TransitMan on Sat May 12 19:43:33 2007. Well your guess is better than mine. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:03:56 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:48:57 2007. I prefer it like this BM, QM, BxM. Most of the X refer to SI express buses. It's easier to remember this way imo. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 20:05:04 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 19:48:57 2007. No, the reverse should happen. X-designated routes should receive borough designations. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 20:11:52 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat May 12 19:55:34 2007. I think it should stay the same-this will allow people to distinguish NYC Transit and MTA Bus express routes. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 20:22:02 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:03:56 2007. Everything should have one system, however. Either/or, no both (in the long run). |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 20:22:41 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 20:11:52 2007. NYCTA and MTA Bus designations are irrelevant insofar as the customer is concerned, however. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:27:37 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 12 20:22:02 2007. No need to, just the bus and maybe the unions. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:27:58 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 20:05:04 2007. SiM? |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 22:47:50 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Sat May 12 18:42:13 2007. I just find the reasoning suspect.Longtime riders of the BQM1 formerly under Command now are incapable of distinguishing a BQM1 apart from a BM1? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 22:51:22 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Grand concourse on Sat May 12 20:27:58 2007. SM1 or RM1 (R for Richmond), etc. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 22:52:47 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 22:47:50 2007. Maybe not the "longtime riders", but you've got to remember that some passengers can look at a correct sign for an hour and then ask "is this such-and-such bus route?" |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sat May 12 23:08:53 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat May 12 22:52:47 2007. ::remembers shenanigans of the Q17 Limited when it made its debut:: |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun May 13 10:21:09 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 12 11:11:41 2007. In regard to the QM1A thing, it should be known as QM1, QM1A, and then QM1B. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun May 13 10:24:17 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. Wow shouldn't they announce this to riders in advance and maybe post this on their websites. Well get your photos in before the BQM1 goes to BM5. Also, thanks for letting us know about this. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 12:23:43 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Transit Guy on Sun May 13 10:24:17 2007. Nothing special, just a designation change. Other than that it seems to be just the same. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 13 13:38:59 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 12:23:43 2007. Any sort of change that affects in the least bit the rider's experience should be posted as soon as it is sure it will happen. Who knows how the riders will be informed of this?BTW, I actually did see one of the service notices posted about the Q35 being limited in Brooklyn. I had to squint to read it and this particular notice was closer to the back of the bus than the front. For service changes like the new BM5 and such, since they have so much space for ads, the banners should take up the length of the bus. I believe MTA is responsible not necessarily for forcing information into passenger's minds but at least making it very very difficult to miss. Posting one notice per bus and not in a presentable location does not cut it. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by QM18Express on Sun May 13 14:33:16 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun May 13 13:38:59 2007. It really depends on the garage and the person who are posting the notices. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun May 13 14:53:56 2007, in response to BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by QM18Express on Sat May 12 10:44:27 2007. If these people can't read the sign on a D4500, they should take a taxi or hire a car service. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun May 13 20:18:16 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Ken S. on Sun May 13 14:53:56 2007. Do some people really read the destination signs on a bus?In the pre-MTA bus days, I used to ride the Q19A and Q101R buses. Northbound at 21st Street and 41st Ave, while I was on a Q101R, a customer asked if this bus was the Q19A. (Can't he see the difference between a bus having a orange stripe from a bus having a red stripe?). |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon May 14 10:05:07 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun May 13 20:18:16 2007. Don't be so quick to criticize the passenger.1. The MTA's borough bus maps do not indicate what color stripes particular buses carry. Even if the maps did so indicate, it was not uncommon for buses to be swapped around amongst the garages and have a wrong-colored stripe in place. 2. The passenger may have realized that many bus drivers fail to change the headsign to the proper route when starting out on a trip, and though it might be best to check on this rather than miss the bus. |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 14 11:04:34 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by PATHman on Sat May 12 20:11:52 2007. Why the hell would they need to do that? |
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Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 14 11:17:27 2007, in response to Re: BQM1 to BM5 starting May 29th, posted by R30A on Mon May 14 11:04:34 2007. It should be one system, or the other, however...and IMO, it should be modified to the NYCTA system. |
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