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Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 9 04:30:57 2019 |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Mr RT on Sun Jun 9 05:47:13 2019, in response to Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 9 04:30:57 2019. That depot is in a terrible place … shoehorned in to a really small space. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 07:31:28 2019, in response to Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 9 04:30:57 2019. Who needs a bus terminal 4 blocks form the subway ? |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 9 08:12:12 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 07:31:28 2019. What are you talking about? |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 08:56:41 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 9 08:12:12 2019. Jamaica |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 9 09:24:30 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 07:31:28 2019. I think you need to read the linked article in order to comment coherently. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 09:27:24 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 9 09:24:30 2019. OK, I keep forgetting "Depot" in NY means garage, not passenger depot. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 9 10:06:04 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 08:56:41 2019. This thread is about a maintenance depot. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jun 9 10:09:57 2019, in response to Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 9 04:30:57 2019. The Jamaica Bus Depot was originally built by North Shore Bus Company in 1940 when they took over former Bee Line (L.I.) bus routes that operated in southeast Queens. They bought a new fleet of Twin Coach buses to serve those routes. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 10:14:18 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by northshore on Sun Jun 9 10:09:57 2019. Back then, did Bee Line base their Queens-only routes out of RVC ? |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jun 9 10:22:37 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 10:14:18 2019. I think they may also have had an open lot in Queens |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sun Jun 9 18:03:49 2019, in response to Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jun 9 04:30:57 2019. MTA Bus is planning to reconstruct and expand the existing Jamaica Bus Depot located at 165-18 Tuskegee Airmen Way in Jamaica, Queens, NY.1. I wasn't sure of the location until I realized that "Tuskegee Airmen Way" really means "South Road." 2. This project should not be funded by MTA Bus Company, but should instead be funded by New York City Transit Authority. Funding by MTA Bus Company means that the city of New York would be entirely responsible for the project. Yet, no MTA Bus Company service is provided by this garage. This sounds like a scheme to take advantage of the city. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 21:01:12 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by BusMgr on Sun Jun 9 18:03:49 2019. I suspect that eventually, NYCTA Bus, MTA Bus and MABSTOA will be rolled into one super bus agency. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:59:34 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 21:01:12 2019. Yeh right. After they merge LIRR and MN. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 06:03:46 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 9 21:01:12 2019. I wouldn’t hold my breath. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 07:29:42 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by BusMgr on Sun Jun 9 18:03:49 2019. They might mean MTA NYC Bus which is the umbrella for TA, OA, and BC.If they were looking at BC to pay for it, the screaming would have started long ago..... |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 08:07:46 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 07:29:42 2019. MTA BC is a subsidiary, while TA and OA are affiliates. There is a legal distinction. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 08:32:22 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 10 08:07:46 2019. There are a bunch of other legalities, not the least of which are the separate pension plans for OA and TA,financing methods, civil service status, and a bunch of different CBA. That being said, MTA NYC Bus (MTA Regional Bus Ops) is the umbrella over all 3. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:01:02 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 08:32:22 2019. I thought at one time MTA Bus Company would be like a Queens-STOA. But it didn't turn out that way. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 09:34:19 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:01:02 2019. The arrangement for NYC funding is different, and the original TA & OA deals were struck well before the MTA was created. The idea of ctreating a separate agency/company allowed the gov't to hire the existing workforce outside of the normal civil service law provisions. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:38:05 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 09:34:19 2019. Too bad they could not find a way to throw LIB(MSBA) into that. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 09:40:45 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 09:38:05 2019. for sure. If Nassau County was willing (and able) to guarantee their levels of funding, it could have happened. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 10:05:26 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jun 10 09:40:45 2019. Abolish a lot of admin costs as well. Could even have saved the RVC garage. |
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Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 11 13:13:22 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 10 02:59:34 2019. What is preventing LIRR and MN from merging? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 11 13:19:11 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 11 13:13:22 2019. What would be the point? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 11 14:27:36 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 11 13:13:22 2019. I doin’t know but I suspect the FRA might have something to say about it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 11 15:07:17 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 11 13:13:22 2019. Be like Pennsy and NY Central all over again. With corporate cultural and management clashes, it didn't end well. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 11 18:51:36 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jun 11 13:13:22 2019. A few reasons, some superficial, some not:1. Union and contract differences - I would venture to say MABSTOA + NYCT would merge first before these two. 2. Different management structures and styles, as Joe V mentions. 3. There are quite a few differences between the two operations: ---MNRR owns their main station and all their EoH trackage, LIRR does not own its main station. ---MNRR has complex contract situations with NJT (as a customer) and CDOT (as a service provider), sprinkling in Amtrak as a tenant, while LIRR is pretty much its own operation. ---MNRR doesn't have to deal with some of the unique maintenance problems LIRR does, particularly the ones caused by the ocean air near many terminal stations and storage yards. Also I'm not sure what other than windows this affects, but other than the Locos all LIRR vehicles have the same side facing south, which results in very unbalanced sun exposure. 4. This one gets many die-hard proponents to concede: the LIRR is the oldest passenger RR in the US (possibly in the world) that has never changed its name. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 11 22:47:29 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 11 18:51:36 2019. very unbalanced sun exposureHa. I guess they don't they have a wye anywhere in the whole system that would allow them to turn the trains around once a year. Looking at the map I don't see where one would be. You'd think after 160 years they would have done something about that. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 11 23:27:12 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 11 22:47:29 2019. The issue with turning the MUs around is that the bathroom car changes. Everyone's used to the Westmost car having a bathroom (and thus all even cars after that), flip the trains around and now it's the eastmost and therefore the most expendable. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 03:45:26 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 11 22:47:29 2019. Huh? Belmont has a wye, and so does Hillside. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 05:10:54 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 03:45:26 2019. OK. Then I guess the sun exposure factor isn't a big enough issue for them to care to turn the trains once every year or every few years. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 12 13:52:25 2019, in response to Re: Proposed Reconstruction and Expansion of the Jamaica Bus Depot, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jun 11 18:51:36 2019. The situation of all cars facing the same direction brings to mind the car consist situation on the IRT with the Hi-Vs and Lo-Vs. 10 car trains had 7 motors and 3 trailer but they were configured in 5 car groups with the 4 motor 5s north and the 3 motor 5s south. In both configurations the car immediately behind the operating cat was a trailer. Overnight the trains were cut 5X5 and just before the AM rush added back to full 10 car consists. On Lo-V lines while re adding the consists back the same way in the AM was preferable, it wasn’t too critical since all the cars were MUDC. On the Bway Exp which was the only 10 car Hi-V line it was an absolute must to have the trains added in the same order since the 4 motor 5s had the pilot motor (manual door car) on the north end and the 3 motor 5s had the pilot motor on the South end. When the trains re added in the morning they had to be configured with the pilot motors on each end. On Fri PMs since the exp services ran with 7 cars, the operation was slightly different. Usually it was the 3 north cars which were M-T-M that were cut leaving the 7 south cars to run all weekend until Mon AM when they 3 car butts were re added to the arriving 7 car trains to make the 10 car consists for AM service. The same practice was done on the Bway Exp which meant that the pilot motor was always on the south end of the train since the 4 motor 5 was always the north 5 cars of the train. The reason that on weekends 7 car trains ran overnight was that cutting 5X5 for Sat midnight service and trying to add 2 car butts for daytime service would have been too labor intensive so it was easier to just cut the trains to the lengths required for normal weekend daytime service. |
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