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Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 1 07:40:12 2018



Tuscarora Almanac Ė January 1, 1960 Ė The Book of First Runs

Yonkers, New York
Yonkers Railroad Company

The Yonkers Railroad Company changes its name to the Yonkers Transit Corporation.

Source: New York Division Bulletin /October, 1991, article by Mr. Bernard Linder



Tuscarora Almanac Ė January 1, 1990 Ė The Book of Last Runs


New York City Transit Authority

Most free transfers between subway and buses are discontinued. The only two remaining are at Rockaway Parkway-Canarsie to the B-42 and at 3rd Avenue-149th Street to the Bx-55.

Larry, RedbirdR33



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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 1 09:41:28 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 1 07:40:12 2018.

What other free bus-subway transfers were there in the 80s? Were the B35 (9 Ave to Church), B54 (Jay to Myrtle/Bway), and Marcy Ave connections still free? Were they free at both ends? (E.g. could you get off the subway at 9 Ave and re-enter at Church Ave all without paying?)

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by B1bus on Mon Jan 1 12:40:25 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 1 09:41:28 2018.

No, you could not get off at 9th ave and reennter at Church ave. The transfer was just for the bus ride.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 1 14:20:31 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 1 09:41:28 2018.


New Flyer

The bus to subway transfer points that existed prior to January 1990 were as follows;
The Bronx: Gun Hill Road, 3rd Avenue-149th Street and 161st Street-River Avenue to and from the Bx-55 3rd Avenue Limited.
Brooklyn: Marcy Avenue-Broadway between the subway and the B-24 bus. The transfer was valid on the bus only between Marcy Avenue and Kent Avenue.
Myrtle Avenue-Broadway between the subway the B-54 Myrtle Avenue bus to and from Jay Street.
Rockaway Parkway-Canarsie to and from the B-42 Rockaway Parkway bus.
9th Avenue (BMT West End) and Church Avenue (IND South Broklyn) to and from the B-35 Church Avenue bus.
The transfers to the Bx-55 and the B-35 were continuous. You could transfer from the subway to the Bx-55 at Gun Hill Road and back to the subway at 161st Street or 149th Street for a single fare. The B-35 had a similar procedure.

The subway-bus transfers at High Street and Jay Street were more complicated and are described below.
Tuscarora Dispatch No 15

Bus and Subway Transfers at Jay Street and High Street

The operation of BMT el trains across the Brooklyn Bridge came to an end on March 5, 1944 and the remaining el lines were cut back to a new terminal called Bridge-Jay Streets. Transfers were issued to and from the BMT trolley cars running across the bridge to Park Row.

Trolley cars ceased operating across the bridge on March 6, 1950. A transfer was established for surface lines at the Brooklyn end of the bridge to the IND High Street Station.

A transfer was also established between the BMT Bridge-Jay Streets Station and the IND Jay Street Station.
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In both cases the transfers from surface lines and the el trains indicated that they were valid on the IND only as far as Broadway - Nassau Street.

Passengers going from Manhattan to Brooklyn would request transfer upon exiting from the railroad clerk at High Street for the surface lines or at Jay Street for the el lines.

Sometime in the middle 1950's the TA began to restrict this transfer privilege. Beginning on June 25, 1956 the transfers to the bus lines formerly issued at High Street would now be issued only at Broadway - Nassau Street to someone buying a token.

Three months later on September 15, 1956 the transfer to the el lines formerly issued at Jay Street would now be issued only at Broadway - Nassau Street to someone buying a token.

This privilege was further restricted on January 1, 1957 when transfer from the el to the subway would only be issued by railroad clerks at stations between Sumner Avenue and Navy Street to passengers buying a token and requesting one. At nights and all day Sunday there were no agents on duty at these stations and fares were collected on the train by the conductor. During these times the railroad clerk at Bridge-Jay Streets issued the transfer. Presumably at this time the transfers to the el trains issued at Broadway - Nassau Street began bearing the legend "valid only for a continuing ride for stations from Navy Street to Sumner Avenue."

The Myrtle Avenue El was discontinued south of Broadway (Brooklyn) on October 4, 1969 its replacement was the B-54 Myrtle Avenue bus. The transfer privilege to and from the IND at Jay Street was retained presumably with the same restrictions.

The bus transfer privileges established at High Street on March 6, 1950 were to five routes; B-57, B-62, B-67, B-69 and B-75. On February 7, 1988 the B-67 and B-75 were re-routed and the transfer point for these two routes was moved to Jay Street.

On January 1, 1990 the TA discontinued all but two subway to bus transfer points. The two exceptions were at Rockaway Parkway to the B-42 and at 3rd Avenue - 149th Street to the Bx-55.

It should be noted that no sooner did the TA discontinue most of the subway-bus transfer points then they established another. The late night No. 3 Lenox Terminal Shuttle was discontinued on August 5, 1990.
A free transfer was issued to a Route 3 Shuttle Bus running between 135th Street-Lenox Avenue and 148th Street with a stop at 145th Street. The free transfer was also valid on the M-7 and M-102 buses.

Larry, Redbird R33






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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 17:27:20 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by B1bus on Mon Jan 1 12:40:25 2018.

Are you sure of that? Passengers entering the 4 Av Subway S/O 9 St would need the transfer to access Culver stations S/O Ditmas formerly reachable via the Culver Shuttle. The Myrtle Av bus and the Bx bus substitute for the Myrtle Av and 3 Av els are ab different story. since there is a direct convenient subway substitute between the terminals for those 2 bus lines which is not the case with the B35.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by B1bus on Mon Jan 1 17:30:01 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 17:27:20 2018.

I got off at 9th ave 1 day and got on the bus with a ticket.
I guess I was supposed to ask for another ticket for the train.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 17:31:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 1 14:20:31 2018.

I recall as late as the summer of 1958 transferring from the A train to the Myrtle el at Jay St by getting the transfer at Jay St IND since I boarded the A in Wash Hts. It was on a Sunday, so it could have been possible that the only booth at Bway/Nassau that issued the transfers was closed on weekends so they had to be issued at Jay St.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by Dan on Mon Jan 1 18:31:38 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 1 14:20:31 2018.

Wasn't it kind of stupid for the TA to have unenforceable restrictions on the IND - Myrtle transfers? I mean if you rode past Bway-Nassau who the hell would know? Same for riding past Sumner Avenue the other way.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 23:33:32 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by B1bus on Mon Jan 1 17:30:01 2018.

Since I only used the B35 as an employee riding on a pass, I never had to used a transfer, but I seem to recall that a passenger going from subway to bus to subway was merely supposed to display the transfer to the operator and retain it for reentry at the appropriate subway station.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 23:43:25 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by Dan on Mon Jan 1 18:31:38 2018.

It does seem a bit stupid but psychologically, it made sense to put in a paper restriction since passengers coming from the A to the Myrtle could only get their transfer at Bway/Nassau so the TA wanted it to look like the same restriction applied both ways even if it were unenforceable. If you think about it, both restrictions donít make much sense since there may have been passengers from uptown points on the A who needed to go to one of the stops on the Myrtle el and with the restriction, they would have to transfer twice from the A to the Jamaica Line at Bway/Nassau and again to the Myrtle el at Bway/Myrtle instead of just one transfer at Bridge/Jay. Back in 1958 When my mother and I needed to go to Lutheran Cemetery on the Myrtle el, if we hadnít been able to use the transfer at Jay St, we would have had to take the A to 14 St, the 14 St Line to Myrtle/Wyckoff and the el to Met.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by Dan on Tue Jan 2 09:03:39 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 1 23:43:25 2018.

Or coming from north of Bway-Nassau: Leave the 'A' at Bway-Nassau, buy a token to get the Myrtle transfer, then board the next Bklyn-bound 'A' train. Cost more but may have saved time depending on your ultimate destination.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 14:27:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by Dan on Tue Jan 2 09:03:39 2018.

If a transfer were physically available, which it was, why should a passenger have to pay an additional fare just to satisfy the cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA management?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by Dan on Tue Jan 2 16:10:00 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 14:27:09 2018.

Maybe people were more honest in the 1950s and felt guilty for riding past the prescribed transfer range?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 17:14:28 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by Dan on Tue Jan 2 16:10:00 2018.

Doubtful. In fact I would be surprised if passengers even read the fine print containing the restrictions. Now that I think about it, Iím not even sure that those mini tickets the machines issued were even that location specific. What doesnít make sense is that the similar transfer tickets issued at both Rockaway Av prior to 1956 and Fkln/Fltn to the IND didnít seem to have similar restrictions since there were machines at both Fkln and Rockaway Av IND that were available to passengers upon exiting from those stations for transfer to connecting BMT services.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 11:09:31 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by Dan on Tue Jan 2 09:03:39 2018.

Why not just get off at Jay and pay for the transfer there? How could your idea possibly save time?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 4 15:40:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 17:14:28 2018.

How many people used, or even knew about, the paper transfer at Jay St. in its later years? There was only one booth at Broadway-Nassau that issued the tickets, and it had no sign on it indicating that it did. I'm guessing that few knew to ask. So if you wanted the Myrtle El from the Broadway-Nassau/Fulton St. complex, you took a train over the Williamsburg Bridge to Myrtle Ave. and changed there. I don't know if there was any signage at the Myrtle El stations where transfer tickets were available indicating their availability. Were tickets for the Jay St. transfer ever issued from machines like the ones that issued tickets at Franklin/Fulton? I thought they never were.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1

Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 4 17:04:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for January 1, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 4 15:40:54 2018.

As I remember it, during the hours when the booth on the el at Bridge/Jay St issued the tickets, they were jammed on the cage in front of the booth window and passengers just went up and grabbed them.

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