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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 20 18:08:36 2017, in response to MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 20 16:15:48 2017. CNG artics, eh? Any speculation as to which routes these will eventually run on?I read someone guess they'd be put on the B35, but I wouldn't be surprised if College Point gets a handful for their heavily utilized Flushing-Jamaica routes. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Jan 20 18:28:06 2017, in response to MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 20 16:15:48 2017. The statement says the buses will be based at West Farms and Jackie Gleason |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jan 20 18:28:58 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 20 18:08:36 2017. B35 yes and for West Farms. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Jan 20 18:39:48 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 20 18:08:36 2017. Unless something changes, they are not destined for BC, so College Point would not be part of this batch. Artics have been spotted on the 25 doing some test runs, but I believe they were diesel. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 20 19:32:19 2017, in response to MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 20 16:15:48 2017. I wish for some good old high-floor buses. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 21 00:52:30 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 20 19:32:19 2017. low floor bus = the idea looks better on paper than it really is |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 21 01:34:29 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 20 19:32:19 2017. You're not getting them.Low floors make it easier for older passengers like me with bad knees easier to board and more importantly you have a far less maintenance intensive wheelchair ramp. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jan 21 07:37:56 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 21 01:34:29 2017. The basic premise behind the low floor thinking was to make it easier for elderly/ handicapped to board, with the front designated for that group primarily, and others toward the rear. Stats showed that most riders were older (or young students that didn't drive, and minorities). However if most riders were indeed older, the front filled up quickly, and it does. No one else wants to climb the stairs either, crowding ensues, making it difficult for the driver to see the back of the bus which has turned into a human cattle car.The novelty has worn off. Low floors, as currently designed, stink. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Jan 21 11:54:35 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jan 21 07:37:56 2017. Perhaps going back to longitudinal seating is the way to go. |
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Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 21 13:29:47 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jan 21 07:37:56 2017. I am not a low floor bus fan, but I don't think anyone can dispute the wheelchair ramp simplicity as being a big plus. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 22 18:59:14 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 21 13:29:47 2017. I agree with Bill from Maspeth, I have bad knees and I'm old, I like low floor buses, our Septa buses fold out ramps deploy in about 20 seconds or less. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Jan 22 20:40:57 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 21 13:29:47 2017. My grandma is happy riding the buses when she's here, because she doesn't have to step up. In Guatemala, though, buses new and old are highfloor. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Jan 22 23:16:50 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 22 18:59:14 2017. It also depends on how good paratransit is in an area. Where I am, Access a Ride does a pretty good job and mobility limited people avoid the bus. Can't blame them, It's too hilly here. Capacity of the low floors is a problem, although they do help an important group of people, they also make service worse or more costly for a majority of people because they don't carry as many people when they are crowded, and carrying equivalent passenger loads raises costs quite a bit. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 23 08:39:54 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Jan 21 07:37:56 2017. The novelty has worn off. Low floors, as currently designed, stink.Is it me or do older high floor buses seem to have more standee room than current low floor buses ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 23 08:43:51 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 21 01:34:29 2017. Low floors make it easier for older passengers like me with bad knees easier to board and more importantly you have a far less maintenance intensive wheelchair ramp.Bad knees aside, passengers board low floor buses faster than high floor buses. This has to account for dwell time at bus stops and keeping schedule. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Jan 23 11:27:22 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 23 08:39:54 2017. I personally believe it's because of the steps near the back door. People don't seem to want to move to the higher section unless there is a seat available. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 24 10:41:29 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 21 01:34:29 2017. Yup! My mom still lives in the Bronx, and regularly uses the Bx1 and Bx2. She has recovered nicely from knee replacement surgery 1.5 years ago. Some years ago when Kingsbridge had rec'd their Nova LFS-A and NFI XD-60s I had mentioned to her that she must've ridden many of them. I was a bit amused when she told me how she'd could recognize the high floor (NFI D60-HF) from a distance and usually pass them up if she saw a low floor bus coming. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 24 13:47:46 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 24 10:41:29 2017. Wonder why none of the HIGH FLOOR NEW FLYERS never crossed the East River for Brooklyn service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 24 13:49:59 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 24 10:41:29 2017. Wonder why none of the HIGH FLOOR NEW FLYERS never crossed the East River for Brooklyn service. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:23:35 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 24 10:41:29 2017. She'll be waiting a lot longer now. Seems more of the D60HF's have filtered over to KB. The Bx1 and Bx2 are swamped with 'em. See 'em every day, just outside my window. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:33:47 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jan 23 08:43:51 2017. Boarding is not any faster. The front section, especially when packed with wheelchairs and/ or shopping carts, make for a very congested situation. Not to mention the idiots that, when they use a fare card, don't know which end is up. (beep, boop, boop, beep).I saw two people get on with carts, the exact same color red. The legs of the carts got tangled somehow. Did THAT ever hold things up. Then you get two arguing over which one is more deserving of the seat or wheelchair space. And, all that aside, people are just plane selfish and lazy. "Let the other guy move up the stairs; I'm staying right here". With high floors, a rider had no choice but to climb to get in. Now, its up for grabs. I argue this constantly with a friend of mine who rides a bus maybe twice a year. Poor thing! And that is probably a fan trip or a vintage bus on 42nd street. And the MTA reports in the media that bus ridership is at an all time low. I wonder why! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:37:14 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:33:47 2017. Oh, and did I mention the people that get off the front of the bus? That holds things up too. Some insist on walking the length of a 60 foot bus, from the rear, to get off the front, only to walk back again on the sidewalk.Only in NY! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 24 16:06:02 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:37:14 2017. Oh, and did I mention the people that get off the front of the bus?.That was more common with the RTS fleet. Those back door steps are quite high and steep. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 16:25:03 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 24 16:06:02 2017. Still happens on all the stuff but especially irking on an artics. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 24 19:37:35 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:33:47 2017. I never ride buses |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 25 14:59:44 2017, in response to Re: MTA to award New Flyer for 110 articulated low floor (CNG fuel) buses, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 24 15:23:35 2017. Oh! Bummer!. She'll ride a D60HF, but if one shows up, and she can also see a XD-60 or LFS-A... she'll pass up the D60HF. |
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