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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 10 07:04:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 10 05:07:03 2016.

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Consider the problem of navigating on France's back roads.

There is a system of numbered national and departmental routes, similar to our US and state highways. These route markers are shown on the Michelin and IGN maps. However, they are rarely displayed on the direction signs.

Their system is to navigate from town to town. So, if you want to go from A to Z, you must memorize the route goes from A to B, B to C, C to D, etc. Then follow the signs for B, C, D, etc.

There's also the question of reading their direction signs. That's another problem.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 10 08:01:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 10 07:04:15 2016.

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Well, back roads can be pretty badly marked in the US too. Say you want to go to the La Sal Mountains in Utah, a major recreation area which has exactly one significant paved road, the La Sal Mountain Loop Road.

Here is the signing for the turnoff from the south approach.





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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:28:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:48:30 2016.

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LOL! No, that's not it.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:29:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:51:05 2016.

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You said "is." You implied it was still there. It's not.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:29:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:51:46 2016.

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I agree with that.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:30:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:53:50 2016.

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The sign you describe, if it were there, would actually make the situation better, not worse.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 10 14:08:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:29:06 2016.

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It all depends on what your definition of "is" is.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 02:38:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by northshore on Fri Sep 9 15:40:14 2016.

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Nothing. ANSWER my questions/post.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 02:42:52 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 22:30:27 2016.

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you do not "exit" from local streets with crossings every 200 feet.
Yes you do, because you are not just exiting from that street, YOU ARE EXITING FROM THE LOCAL STREET GRID.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 02:43:51 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 22:21:19 2016.

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lol

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 10:03:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 22:28:49 2016.

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Good post, as usual.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 11:04:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:48:30 2016.

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lol yur dum

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 11:04:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 10 14:08:09 2016.

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The correct one.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 11:04:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:29:06 2016.

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owned

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 11 11:26:08 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 11:04:49 2016.

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Heh. It's the correct definition that got Bill Clinton into trouble.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:23:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 22:21:19 2016.

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No use telling you anything because with your closed mind, you only believe what you want to. Please continue believing your God given right to cross the street anywhere and anytime you believe.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:29:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 22:28:49 2016.

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"Different elements of a program certainly can be unrelated."

The fact that they are part of the same program makes them a relation.

What you are saying is that someone could be someone's son and someone else could be that persons daughter and the son and daughter are not related. Wrong they are brother and sister so they ARE related.

This is no different.

But you go on believing whatever you want because in your mind you know everything and anything I say is not worth listening to because it couldn't possibly be correct.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:31:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Wed Aug 17 13:20:49 2016.

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A local street has intersections every 200 or 600 feet approximately and is not restricted access.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:33:04 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Aug 18 07:52:23 2016.

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A local street does not have to be tree lined wth houses. It just have to have unrestricted access to intersections which occur every 200 or 600 feet approximately. Baltic fits that description.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:34:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 00:22:21 2016.

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Neither of those are local streets at that point.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:36:25 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Thu Sep 1 19:13:07 2016.

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Left turns only lanes should have adequate warnings beforehand. Forcing someone to make a last minute decision can contribute to accidents.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:37:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Tue Sep 6 11:13:02 2016.

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This was the only case I saw with a large overhead sign fit for a major arterial or expressway, not a local street.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:39:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:30:18 2016.

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Don't follow.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:40:06 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 10 13:28:17 2016.

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Then you had no point.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:03:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:40:06 2016.

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Of course I had a point. Otherwise I would have never posted. Put on your glasses.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:04:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:31:17 2016.

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Which is not at all part of the standard for "EXIT ONLY."

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:05:11 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:34:00 2016.

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Yes they are. Especially Cross Bay.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:07:38 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:39:06 2016.

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Og course you don't.

You described a sign that may have existed pointing to the bridge. AlM cited an example of a lane trap leading inexorably to Virginia with no sign.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by merrick1 on Sun Sep 11 15:12:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:36:25 2016.

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And Brooklyn Bridge responds to a 10 day old post just to keep the flame war going.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sun Sep 11 16:18:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:23:49 2016.

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No use telling you anything because with your closed mind, you only believe what you want to.

You are one to talk about closed minded. Anything anybody else says, you distort to make the bogus claim how your right.




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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:04:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 11 11:26:08 2016.

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Ok.......

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:05:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Sun Sep 11 16:18:10 2016.

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Preach on, my friend.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:06:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:23:49 2016.

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Wrong. R30A is correct.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:06:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:04:11 2016.

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Correct.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:07:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:33:04 2016.

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Irrelevant.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:07:43 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:31:17 2016.

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Irrelevant. Think again.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:10:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:34:00 2016.

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Yes they are.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:12:02 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by merrick1 on Sun Sep 11 15:12:50 2016.

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No. He hasn't been around. There's nothing wrong with him responding 10 days later.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:25:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:37:40 2016.

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You're still wrong.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:27:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:07:38 2016.

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IAWTP

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:28:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 11 14:03:16 2016.

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I agree.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:29:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:40:06 2016.

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Wrong!!!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Sep 11 17:33:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 9 14:48:30 2016.

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No but you omitted Cross Bay Blvd in one post.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sun Sep 11 20:31:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 11 17:05:54 2016.

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Unfortunately, it is to a deaf choir that doesn't read lips.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 11 20:57:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Sun Sep 11 20:31:36 2016.

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truth

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 12 09:49:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 11 12:37:40 2016.

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There is no problem with large signage being used on a local street.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 12 13:18:15 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 12 09:49:19 2016.

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There is no problem with large signage being used on a local street.

Baltic isn't a Local Street; it's a Minor Arterial.

Atlantic County functional classification map

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 12 13:49:56 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Sep 12 13:18:15 2016.

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Even better!

But even if Mr. Rosen was correct in his classification, he'd still be wrong overall.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 13 14:58:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Sun Sep 11 16:18:10 2016.

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Untrue. Give me one example.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 13 15:09:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 9 12:07:52 2016.

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The problem is that you can't write. I reread your post. You meant to say "existing conditions" and instead mistakenly used the word "plan" confusing everyone saying the "proposed plan" is superior to the "existing plan". There is no "existing plan". There is only one plan which is the Proposal unless you want to call the proposal the existing plan which is different from the existing conditions.

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