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Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 15:54:45 2016

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http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/fighting-the-dot-s-s-bs-on-woodhaven/article_1e633569-31d2-55c3-a1a8-5925ca67dcb4.html

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/queens/news/2016/08/7/opponents-protest-select-bus-service-plan-in-woodhaven.html

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016, in response to Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 15:54:45 2016.

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“The DOT hides all this information about SBS on their website so that you need to know about it to find it.”



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 16:12:10 2016, in response to Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 15:54:45 2016.

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Here are two more articles:


http://bit.ly/2aPjbYT

http://www.leaderobserver.com/view/full_story/27246015/article-DOT-s-flawed-plan-for-Woodhaven?instance=home_news_2nd_left

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 16:18:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016.

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That is only one single route?

What if you want info on the other existing or planned routes or just want to know what Select Bus Service is? Tell me how many tabs do you have to clck?

There is something called Planning Studies, but that is not where you will find Select Bus Service. You have to clck a number of tabs for planned routes and then you get referred to the DOT website for more clicks.

As I said the DOT outreach has been abysmal. Yes if you already heard of SBS, you can find the info. DeBlasio stated he will be using billboards to publicize Woodhaven Blvd. So why not use the one on Liberty and Woodhaven to infom drivers? It's because they don't want drivers to find out they will be losing an important traffic lane from the main roadway.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 16:42:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016.

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That is only one single route?

What if you want info on the other existing or planned routes or just want to know what Select Bus Service is? Tell me how many tabs do you have to clck?

There is something called Planning Studies, but that is not where you will find Select Bus Service. You have to clck a number of tabs for planned routes and then you get referred to the DOT website for more clicks.

As I said the DOT outreach has been abysmal. Yes if you already heard of SBS, you can find the info. DeBlasio stated he will be using billboards to publicize Woodhaven Blvd. So why not use the one on Liberty and Woodhaven to infom drivers? It's because they don't want drivers to find out they will be losing an important traffic lane from the main roadway.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 18:01:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 16:18:07 2016.

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That is only one single route?

What if you want info on the other existing or planned routes or just want to know what Select Bus Service is? Tell me how many tabs do you have to clck?


You click on that single link on the homepage, and it brings you to a page with links to What Is Select Bus Service, Current & Planned Routes, and each individial route.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 11 20:10:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016.

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OWNED!!!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 11 20:10:41 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 18:01:45 2016.

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pwn3d again!!!!!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 11 20:12:03 2016, in response to Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 15:54:45 2016.

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Links?

Also, why are you starting new topics when you never finished discussing the previous topics? You gave up? Admitted defeat? Ok.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Aug 11 21:29:23 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016.

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Of course, that screen shot is from the MTA's web site, not NYCDOT's.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Aug 11 21:31:52 2016, in response to Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 11 15:54:45 2016.

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I think the "community" would prefer (or is possibly being pushed to prefer) zero bus service along Woodhaven.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 22:23:40 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Aug 11 21:29:23 2016.

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Of course, that screen shot is from the MTA's web site, not NYCDOT's.

True, he did say DOT, but it is the MTA that runs SBS.

B46 SBS is on the front page of the NYCDOT website.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 11 22:46:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 11 20:10:20 2016.

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I agree.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 11 22:58:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 11 22:46:35 2016.

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I agree.
Excellent. Thank you.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:55:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 18:01:45 2016.

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Okay. I wanted to see if you are correct so I tried what you suggested.

THE DIRECT LINK TO THE B46 IS NOT THERE ANY MORE!!

What do you say now?

Apparently it was only a temporary link for the first week or two of operation.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:57:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Aug 11 22:46:35 2016.

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The B46 link is no longer there!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:57:21 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 11 22:58:55 2016.

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The B46 link is no longer there!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:00:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 11 20:12:03 2016.

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I provided links. You can cut and paste if you want to read it. You can do some work also instead of just criticizing.

And I can start as many new topics as I want. I don't report to you.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:09:26 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 22:23:40 2016.

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No. It is a DOT project. They are the lead agency. That is why the MTA site refers you to the DOT website for all reports and details. The MTA website only provides the overview.

And the subject wasn't the B46 SBS. it was all SBS routes, present and future. If you wanted to know about the Woodhaven SBS, there would be no reason to click on a B46 link in the first place. Besides that B46 link was only temporary. It is not there any more.

So we are back to the original question "Why does DOT and the MTA not make it easy for you to learn about existing and proposed SBS websites. Why do you have to click on numerous links without SBS even being on the main MTA website? And why would someone even bother to check the DOT website unless they were already looking for SBS and knew it was there?

The average bus rider would check the front MTA webpage and look for an easy link WHICH IS NOT THERE.

That is because they only want current bus riders to know about SBS. They don't want drivers to know that they will be losing lanes. That's why you won't see a single statement anywhere on either website that car lanes are being removed. ALL THEY SAY IS BUS LANES WILL BE CREATED TO SPEED BUS TRIPS.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:18:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 11 16:08:34 2016.

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That is only one single route?

What if you want info on the other existing or planned routes or just want to know what Select Bus Service is? Tell me how many tabs do you have to clck?

There is something called Planning Studies, but that is not where you will find Select Bus Service. You have to clck a number of tabs for planned routes and then you get referred to the DOT website for more clicks.

As I said the DOT outreach has been abysmal. Yes if you already heard of SBS, you can find the info. DeBlasio stated he will be using billboards to publicize Woodhaven Blvd. So why not use the one on Liberty and Woodhaven to infom drivers? It's because they don't want drivers to find out they will be losing an important traffic lane from the main roadway.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 12 12:09:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:18:36 2016.

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I think most government agencies see the required planning steps as hoops to jump through.

They run the required legal advertisements. If there is a requirement for documents to be made available they have a copy at their main office and maybe deposit copies at the public library branches in the affected neighborhoods.

They sit through the required public hearings while the "usual suspects" NIMBYs complain.

Having taken the required steps, the agency does what it was planning to do.

Why make life hard for yourself?

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:13:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:00:03 2016.

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I provided links.
No you didn't. You provided URLs. If you want people to go to them, PROVIDE CLICKABLE LINKS. Otherwise, don't even bring up your stupid red herring about "not discussing the actual topic" or whatever.

You can cut and paste if you want to read it.
How selfish and narrow-minded of you! First of all, no. Second of all, stop being so lazy. Third of all, not everyone has a mouse at their disposal. Without a mouse, COPY and pasting can be anywhere from mildly irritating to virtually impossible, depending on a whole host of factors. So get off your high-horse and take the 10 seconds it would take to save everyone else A LOT OF TIME AND FRUSTRATION. I'm mean do you really think people are going to be as willing to give you a fair shake at this point if you don't even give two sh#ts about them????

You can do some work also instead of just criticizing.
Wrong. I do plenty of work. And I'll criticize everything that deserves criticism.

And I can start as many new topics as I want. I don't report to you.
And you wonder why so many people disagree with you? Sheesh...

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:14:31 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:57:21 2016.

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Say what?!

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:20:04 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:55:33 2016.

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What link? To where? Can you please be more specific? Because everything RIPTA said in THIS subthread is still true. So it would appear that you are wrong, baring you providing more information.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by R30A on Fri Aug 12 13:14:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:55:33 2016.

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Still there.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 13:44:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 10:55:33 2016.

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"THE DIRECT LINK TO THE B46 IS NOT THERE ANY MORE!!

What do you say now?"

I say you have no idea what your talking about. Both websites nyc.gov/dot and mta.info have working SBS pages. Checked both right before posting.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 14:05:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:09:26 2016.

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" No. It is a DOT project. They are the lead agency. That is why the MTA site refers you to the DOT website for all reports and details. The MTA website only provides the overview."

Please tell me where to find a link from MTA to DOT because I cant find one.

" And the subject wasn't the B46 SBS. it was all SBS routes, present and future. If you wanted to know about the Woodhaven SBS, there would be no reason to click on a B46 link in the first place. Besides that B46 link was only temporary. It is not there any more."

That temporary link still works. Yes you do click the area where it says NEW July 3 B46 SBS, however every SBS item is on the left side of the page. Poor web design, maybe, but they are good for poor planning.

" So we are back to the original question "Why does DOT and the MTA not make it easy for you to learn about existing and proposed SBS websites. Why do you have to click on numerous links without SBS even being on the main MTA website? And why would someone even bother to check the DOT website unless they were already looking for SBS and knew it was there?"

Both have SBS links right on the homepage. Granted, both maked B46 but all links are on the left side of the page. Seems easy to me, how much easier do you need it because you can join the mailing list from MTA.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 14:13:08 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 11:18:36 2016.

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"DeBlasio stated he will be using billboards to publicize Woodhaven Blvd. So why not use the one on Liberty and Woodhaven to infom drivers? It's because they don't want drivers to find out they will be losing an important traffic lane from the main roadway."

Your opinion, don't push this as a credible reason. Furthermore, you claim your right, they are wrong, and now you trust the words out of DeBlasio's mouth in regards to billboards?

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:26:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 12 12:09:16 2016.

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I agree with you about most government agencies, but when I was at the Department of City Planning, it wasn't that way.

If people don't complain about the process, nothing will change. You just can't sit back and be defeated.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:26:29 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 12 12:09:16 2016.

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I agree with you about most government agencies, but when I was at the Department of City Planning, it wasn't that way.

If people don't complain about the process, nothing will change. You just can't sit back and be defeated.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:30:13 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 14:13:08 2016.

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A billboard would be the most cost effective in notifying the public of the city's plans. But they do not want any discussion, only to ram their agenda down the people's throats.

If they can find money for Vision Zero TV ads, they certainly can better publicize their SBS plans by explaining both sides of the story, nit only the good points and omitting all the bad ones.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:33:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:13:16 2016.

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Maybe I am selfish and "narrow-minded" because all I get in this website is grief with very few willing to have an honest discussion.

If not posting clickable links keeps you and your friends from reading them, I am that much ahead.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:34:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:14:31 2016.

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It wasn't there this morning. They must have put it back.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:45:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 12 12:20:04 2016.

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No it is still not easy to learn about SBS.

First of all mst would check the MTA website not the DOT website. Also they would check the site AFTER HAVING HEARD ABOUT SBS, not before.

And why would it be logical to clck on a B46 link if you were not interested in the B46.

You wouldn't. You wou,d look elsewhere. But let's say you wanted to learn more about the proposed Woodhaven SBS because you already heard about it somehow and did manage to click on the B46 link. You see Woodhaven SBS listed but when you click on it, there is only very limited information with no further links. So then you have to look further and go to Planned Routes.

There you see a list of other routes with a link to DOT for further info. That link also shoukd be available from the Woodhaven page and it is not.

So my point of having to guess and jump through hoops still stands. If you didn't clck on the B46 link when you wanted Woodhaven, you wou,d have to even jmp through more hoops. They could make it a lot more easier.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:50:32 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 14:05:22 2016.

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If you go to the Planned Routes page, there is a link to DOT. It needs to be on more pages.

There needs to be a general SBS link on the main page, not only a link to one specific route. It is poor web design.

Also all the planning studies need to be on the page marked Planning Studies.

It also is unclear that the Planned Service Changes page is only fir temporary service changes, not for permanent ones.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 13 10:52:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:50:32 2016.

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The average bus rider would check the front MTA webpage and look for an easy link WHICH IS NOT THERE.

There needs to be a general SBS link on the main page, not only a link to one specific route. It is poor web design.


It's there. A bus rider — or anyone looking for information about buses — needs only click "New York City Bus" at the top of the page to expose it. It's not exactly hidden or buried.



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 13 13:38:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 13 10:52:45 2016.

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Still not good enough. As I said you first have to know it exists before you go to the website. That was my entire point. There needs to be additional outreach other than the website.

Currently you have to go to the small tab labeled NYC Bus which technically does not even include MTA Bus. But let's forget that. Then on the pull down tab, pick Select Bus Service which has partial info. If you want more you have to click again on NYC Select Bus Service for additional info, and then the route you are interested in. To understand fare payment, there is yet another click to be made.

This is sufficient for info about existing routes. But if you want info about future routes like Woodhaven, you must click again just to get general info. For more details, you have to backtrack to "Planned routes" and then click on the DOT link. To get block by block plans, additional links on the DOT site are required.

And you are saying this is user friendly and easy to find? Most users would not have the patience for like 15 clicks. It's like one of those endless telephone menus.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Aug 13 17:45:45 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 13 13:38:18 2016.

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" Currently you have to go to the small tab labeled NYC Bus which technically does not even include MTA Bus."

Wrong. If it doesn't include MTA Bus, then why are the route listed in there?

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 13 17:59:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Sat Aug 13 17:45:45 2016.

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On the website, it is meant to include all NYC buses, but technically bus routes operated by MTA Bus are not part of NYC Bus. Few outside the MTA make that distinction. But it could be a point of confusion for those who do.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 13 20:18:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 12 13:44:47 2016.

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Yup. Here is the MTA website right now:



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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Aug 13 21:25:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 13 17:59:54 2016.

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" Few outside the MTA make that distinction. But it could be a point of confusion for those who do."

No, it is a point of crying and whining for you, considering all you do is criticize the MTA.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Aug 13 21:27:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 13 20:18:18 2016.

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Thanks.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by merrick1 on Sun Aug 14 08:26:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 13 17:59:54 2016.

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I think the MTA is moving away from the MTA Bus/ NYC Bus distinction, at least from the public's point of view. The new Blue and Gold buses just have MTA logos on them. It will be like MaBSTOA which still exists but no longer has a public face.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 09:57:20 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:33:01 2016.

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Wrong. You didn't understand a single thing I said. You don't seem very bright.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 09:57:47 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:34:35 2016.

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It was there in the morning. You seem to be mentally unstable.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 09:58:55 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:45:44 2016.

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No, you're wrong. Everything RIPTA said is correct. Typical.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 09:59:04 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Fri Aug 12 13:14:50 2016.

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pwn3d

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 14 10:01:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 12 21:26:29 2016.

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Only constructive complaints will help. YOUR complaints are not constructive. They are stupid. Mostly.

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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 14 15:50:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Cornell Park on Sat Aug 13 21:25:58 2016.

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Oh, that isn't true at all.

He also criticizes anyone who disagrees with him.


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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd

Posted by Cornell Park on Sun Aug 14 23:15:12 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 14 15:50:10 2016.

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Forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. I shall immediately put on my thick skin.

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