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Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016

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Hearing rumors that The KEY is coming this March-April.
The new SEPTA fare system.

Stay tuned.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 19 09:28:27 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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How hysterical would it be if we actually had to turn a key to get in? Just add it to your key chain. . . my house, my office drawer, my car, the bus, the train. . .

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 09:47:46 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 19 09:28:27 2016.

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Very funny. Thanks!

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Jan 19 12:33:19 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 19 09:28:27 2016.

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...the trolley, the commuter train, the Norristown High Speed rail line, the trackless trolley.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 12:55:39 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Jan 19 12:33:19 2016.

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I'm an old fart, and my Pa. driver's license is good now and will be for The Key system.
You just swipe it in the old style fare box, which is still on the buses, trolleys, trackless, or at the subway/El stations, at the appropriate turnstyle..

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jan 20 07:55:32 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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This will be a tap system and not a swipe system ?

Bill Newkrik

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 20 08:32:49 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jan 20 07:55:32 2016.

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This will be a tap system and not a swipe system ?
RFID. No tap. Wave or "pass" it by the reader. Hope for the best but expect the worst. Could be the end of SEPTA Regional Rail center city railfanning as we know it.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 12 08:19:39 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 20 08:32:49 2016.

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Here is a KEY Card. My friend sent me this photo, and off course, covered over the numbers.
KEY Card
Terrapin Station is correct,it's a"wave"type card as you pass the reader. Depending on the strength of the signal from the reader, other chip cards in your wallet may get read as you board Septa vehicles, so we all may have to carry our credit cards in RFID blocking Credit Card holders.
I'm going to see what Septa says about this and will report later.

Initial Rollout of system

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 08:43:04 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 12 08:19:39 2016.

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A Septa bus operator posted on Facebook that a customer used a KEY card early this AM and it went without a hitch.:)


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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 13:32:40 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 08:43:04 2016.

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If you go to your account in the KEY system, it tells you where you traveled, where you started , the next connection, etc.
Big brother is watching us.....

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by northshore on Mon Jun 13 13:34:42 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 13:32:40 2016.

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Metrocard has the same feature


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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 17:27:36 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by northshore on Mon Jun 13 13:34:42 2016.

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SEPTA's mobile learning center on this old NABI bus,downtown.
The KEY


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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 14 07:08:52 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 17:27:36 2016.

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It appears we got through the first day of The KEY with no problems, maybe all that preparation and testing paid off.

I'll post if there area any changes to this news.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 14 17:55:12 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 14 07:08:52 2016.

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For those who were among the first to buy SEPTA's new smart fare card Monday morning, the sheer novelty was a big part of the draw.
Shirley Thomas gets advice from Norma Clark, a SEPTA ambassador, about the new smart fare card. The early adopter program is phasing in SEPTA Key, the smart card that will replace tokens and TransPasses for subways, trolleys, buses, and rail.
All aboard SEPTA's new fare card

"I just wanted to get a daily [pass] to see what it was like," said Dennis Grimes, of Philadelphia, who passed through Dilworth Plaza Station on his way to work at a Center City health-care company.

At 6 a.m., when SEPTA's yellow-vested ambassadors arrived at the two silver kiosks in the station to help customers with the new SEPTA Key fare system, people were already waiting. By midday, SEPTA had sold 1,650 of the 10,000 early adopter cards available on a first come, first served basis.

"They're happy with that number," said Andrew Busch, SEPTA spokesman. "It is about where we expect it to be."

Dilworth Plaza reported some of the most robust card sales, with kiosks at Snyder Station and the 69th Street, Frankford and Olney transportation centers also getting heavy use.

The early adopter program is designed to phase in SEPTA Key, the smart card that ultimately will replace tokens and TransPasses as the fare instrument for subways, trolleys, buses, and rail. The $220 million system was to debut in 2013, but delays and software bugs kept pushing back the introduction.Monday, people could buy a weekly pass for $24 or a daily pass for $8. On June 20 the monthly pass will be available for $91.

Cards can be registered online and, once that is done, can be linked to a bank account. Balances are preserved even if the card gets lost.

SEPTA is introducing just some of Key's options, officials have said. Eventually the turnstile scanners will accept payments from contactless credit cards and smartphone systems such as Apple Pay. There will also be a SEPTA Wallet that will allow people to draw down on their card per ride, rather than committing to a pass.

That's what Shirley Thomas, of West Philadelphia, is waiting for. She talked with one of the ambassadors assigned to help customers at Dilworth, Plaza but decided against getting a card yet. She was in Center City to submit a permit for a Fourth of July block party, and said she doesn't use public transportation often enough to buy a weekly pass. She relies on tokens. She wants one of the cards, though.

"I won't have to run to the store all the time to get tokens," she said.

SEPTA is not saying when it will offer all the card services or when they will be available to all riders. Management wants to see how the first 10,000 cards function before making them available for the 1.1 million trips taken daily on SEPTA's vehicles.

Billy Bauer, a chemical engineering student at Drexel, was among the first 30 people to buy the card at Dilworth Plaza on Monday. The monthly pass had not made sense for him before because a student discount gave him a better rate, he said, but Key allowed him to pay for his fare with plastic, a convenience long lacking at SEPTA stations.

"I've always wanted to use my debit card anyway," Bauer said.

Septa photo

The black tabs on the right is where I swipe my driver's license for a senior fare. (TransitChuckG)

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 14 21:01:33 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 20 08:32:49 2016.

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Why?

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 15 00:26:31 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 14 21:01:33 2016.

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Why?
Because rumour has it you will need to tap into and tap out from the Center City Regional Rail platforms - they will become within the paid-fare zone. So if you aren't planning on riding and just want to visit and/or take photos, you might end up being charged a fare to do so. I don't know if this will be the case or not. But it's a possibility.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 15 00:27:08 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 12 08:19:39 2016.

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Terrapin Station is correct,it's a"wave"type card as you pass the reader.
Thank you TransitChuckG.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 15 14:05:50 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 14 17:55:12 2016.

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How do senior citizens visiting from outside Pennsylvania avail themselves of the senior fare?

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 15 15:21:01 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 15 14:05:50 2016.

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I do not know. i'll try to find out.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by northshore on Wed Jun 15 15:45:24 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 15 14:05:50 2016.

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BTW-Seniors ride for free on local transit in PA

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jun 15 15:51:06 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by northshore on Wed Jun 15 15:45:24 2016.

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How to buy

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 20 11:56:22 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 14 17:55:12 2016.

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The people from the KEY system are telling me that out of state seniors will be able to apply for the new "Seniors Key card." I still have more questions.


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Re: Septa KEY First 10,000 cards sold out

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jun 30 05:40:04 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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Key Cards

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 23 16:58:15 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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Early adopters program to be expanded.
Early adopters

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 23 19:08:19 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 13 13:32:40 2016.

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Early Adopters

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 23 19:08:53 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 23 19:08:19 2016.

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Double Post, my bad.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 8 15:20:58 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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New stored value card

Good news about Septa also will be starting to mail out the senior photo ID cards. That's great, I won't have to use my driver's license the the card comes.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 9 00:08:20 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 8 15:20:58 2016.

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Good. Thanks.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 9 06:59:56 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 9 00:08:20 2016.

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Your are quite welcome. It will be nice to be able to keep my driver's license in my wallet and not have to use it for Septa.


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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by B1bus on Thu Sep 22 20:34:50 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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My roommate and I filled out our applications and got our picture taken in August 8 or 9 and our cards haven't arrived yet.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 23 06:18:42 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by B1bus on Thu Sep 22 20:34:50 2016.

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Septa is slow is sending out cards, I'm still waiting for my senior card, I had my photo taken last May, IIRC. I do see some people using Key Cards in the El turnstiles and bus/trolley readers.:)

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by B1bus on Sun Oct 2 13:19:13 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 23 06:18:42 2016.

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So the lady meant 2 months instead of the 2 weeks she claimed they would arrive. They still haven't arrived yet.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 2 17:20:18 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by B1bus on Sun Oct 2 13:19:13 2016.

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So the lady meant 2 months instead of the 2 weeks she claimed they would arrive.
The entire KEY system is taking much longer than originally figured to roll out in its entirety.
That explains why you haven't received your cards, and and why I have not gotten my senior Key card.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by B1bus on Thu Oct 6 19:52:45 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 2 17:20:18 2016.

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Thanks.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 07:03:22 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by B1bus on Thu Oct 6 19:52:45 2016.

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You are welcome. I'm wondering if they will start mailing cards out this mid-October, It's just a guess.Nobody that I have talked to can give a firm answer.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 7 07:45:41 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 07:03:22 2016.

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I applied on July 7. I inquired in person in August. They told me at 1234 Mkt St to expect getting it around December.
Christmas present?

joe

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 19:24:10 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 7 07:45:41 2016.

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Thanks, Joe. No worries for me, my PA drivers license works on all the transit vehicles and subway turnstiles. I just want the new Key senior card so I can keep my license in my wallet.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 7 19:36:09 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 19:24:10 2016.

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A Medicare card works as well.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 7 19:38:22 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 15 14:05:50 2016.

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Just show your Medicare card to the clerk. He will let you through the turnstile that is adjacent to his booth.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 7 21:22:48 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 19:24:10 2016.

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Thing is, the current senior card used throughout the state of Pa. must still be retained as it will be needed outside of SEPTA's operations. We supposedly have until June to get KEY card.

joe

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 8 06:45:16 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jan 20 08:32:49 2016.

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It's going be interesting for seniors when The Key system is finally fully rolled out. My question is how it will work on the RR system. Presently, we show our Senior blue (male) or yellow (female) card to the conductor and hand them $1.00. That's for a ride from any outlying zone to the CC area. If you cross through the CC area and travel to another outlying station, it's an additional $1.00.

I'm hoping with the new senior key card, you just hand it to the conductor and it will deduct the $1.00 from your bank account checking acct.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 8 15:42:36 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 7 19:36:09 2016.

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But will it continue to work after the full KEY system is implemented system wide?

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 8 15:43:08 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 7 19:38:22 2016.

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But aren’t there some stations that have no clerk?

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 8 16:00:38 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 8 15:43:08 2016.

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I can't answer that. It worked for me at 3 different stations.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 16 19:15:34 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 2 17:20:18 2016.

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I see people using Septa Key cards, one passenger had it hanging on a lanyard from her neck.
Since it's a proximity card, I wonder if she got close enough to the reader when she boarded.
My bad for not watching the transaction carefully.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 18 17:48:11 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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I asked Septa if a Key card on a lanyard can be tapped at the reader, and what happens to a Key card that is is your wallet in your back pocket.


This is their reply.


The Key card must be tapped on the reader for the customer to be able to ride. There is no danger of a customer being charged for a ride just because a Key card is in the vicinity. With this being said, validators are able to read Key cards in certain wallets that are tapped. If a wallet is not especially thick, a customer won’t have to take their card out of their wallet. All they have to do is make the effort to tap their wallet at the validator. Customers can also tap to ride if a card is on a lanyard. They will have to grab their card and tap it at the validator, but they won’t have to remove it from the lanyard.

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:17:42 2016, in response to Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 19 08:38:13 2016.

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Latest Delay-may be strike related


I'll never get my senior Key card:)

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 11 20:04:03 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 7 19:24:10 2016.

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Replacing tokens

The senior Key card is a "tap" card :):):)

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 11 20:43:43 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Nov 11 20:04:03 2016.

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What do visiting seniors who are not PA residents and have no tap cards do for free access? Are they to be discriminated against?

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Re: Septa KEY

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 11 21:23:19 2016, in response to Re: Septa KEY, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 11 20:43:43 2016.

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What do visiting seniors who are not PA residents and have no tap cards do for free access? Are they to be discriminated against?

Medicare card.

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