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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 5 08:55:28 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by fdtutf on Tue Jul 5 08:55:13 2016. hahaha |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 09:59:15 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 5 08:09:23 2016. It's your LAST statement. You attack EVERYBODY who doesn't agree with you. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 10:00:20 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 00:41:32 2016. He needs YOUR support now that others are ganging up on him simultaneously. That rarely happens. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 10:01:31 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 5 08:55:28 2016. I got it all along. I knew I could upset Goebbels and his egocentrics. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 10:55:56 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 10:01:31 2016. You obviously have no idea who Goebbels was. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 5 10:57:04 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 00:26:04 2016. It's so amusing how much I worked you up and played you like a fiddle. I knew I could get to you.If you think you're "getting" to me, you're more delusional than I thought. By admitting you're trying to get to me, you're also revealing yourself to be the Goebbels of the board. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 10:58:34 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 10:55:56 2016. No, you don't know.Here's some information, you ignoramus. http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/joseph-goebbels Living up to your name by playing in the mud. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 11:33:20 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 10:01:31 2016. Upsetting egocentrics? You should be proud of yourself for other things, not for upsetting people. Be proud that you can walk around with your head up your a$$ and not get dizzy and fall down. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:14:27 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 11:33:20 2016. You're part of Goebbels' gang so it's difficult to take you seriously. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:15:59 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 5 10:57:04 2016. Wrong. I don't distort like Whiny Weinberg. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 12:37:45 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:14:27 2016. Another fallacy that you don't recognize. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:45:50 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 12:37:45 2016. Another fallacy that you don't recognize. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 12:54:40 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:14:27 2016. Not part of anybody's gang, I just don't like you. That "Hey Stupid" you posted, granted you claim not directed at me and it shouldn't have been, because I pointed out your incompetence and the 2 guys your messing with now rubbed your face in it, you have just annoyed me enough. So, since your mission here is being a yes man and defender for Brooklyn Bus, and for the record I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH BROOKLYN BUS, I might as well join Terrapin and RIPTA,and you might as well add Spider-Pig to the list too. 10 years on here without any issues, and now you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 12:59:07 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:45:50 2016. That's the best you can do, just turning it back on me? I knew you weren't the brightest bulb in the bulb box, but I didn't know it was this bad! |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:59:41 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 12:54:40 2016. WRONG. I don't defend Brooklyn Bus. It's his job to defend his statements. I just after those who attack him just to attack him. HE could write the earth is round and he would be attacked.You're getting annoyed? Welcome to the club. What goes around comes around. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 13:00:43 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 5 12:59:07 2016. You're low wattage and I didn't want you to burn out. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:28:57 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 12:59:41 2016. What a lie. You didn't defend him? I question the parking at Riis Park, and I had you answering for him. And you stand up to the people who attack him? You moron, that was the first time I ever questioned what he posted. Furthermore, in the end he admitted that, if possible, the old nursing home could be a better choice for a park and ride.Me annoyed, not by far. You want to poke bears with sticks, you just picked the wrong bear to poke. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:31:30 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 13:00:43 2016. You got a pair calling anybody low wattage. You never even made it into the socket with your left handed threads. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 13:35:40 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:28:57 2016. I didn't support him as a person but his statements. You're filled with so much hate you can't separate the person from the statement.Goebbels attacks Bus because of who he is, not what he writes. You're so dense you can't separate the two. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:47:27 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 13:35:40 2016. This coming from somebody who didn't know where a bus came from when the picture had it all written out. R.I.F.- Reading Is Fundamental.You have also said he was a planning director and he is qualified. Why has he not gone back as a consultant if they are doing everything wrong? I know a few people who have gone back briefly. Your not supporting statements when your busy agreeing with every word and not questioning anything. You are supporting the person, not the statement. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:18:31 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 12:20:36 2016. "What that paragraph is saying is when you set policy, you must consider all the ramifications not only a single one."When the choice is between zero cost and no pedestrian deaths, there is no real choice. "By considering the possibility no matter how remote, of a pedestrian fatality and saying that is more important than anything else, you can make some unwise decisions." It IS more important than anything else. How the fuck are you such a sociopath that you don't understand that? "You can spend all your resources on trying to prevent them at any cost while neglecting other priorities that are just as important." There aren't traffic issues that are just as important. And nobody has ever said resources should not be spent on other issues. "You could post all your traffic agents at intersections to help pedestrians cross the street instead of them giving out parking tickets depriving the city if needed revenue." Posting them at intersections does nothing to help pedestrians cross the street. "Of course that would never happen. But let us suppose de Blasio decided to do just that. If I stated it was an over reaction and the city could not afford to lose that revenue, would you then argue I was valuing revenue over pedestrians' lives and he should be allowed to do that?" That would be up to the mayor, so yes he WOULD be allowed to do that. It would be stupid however. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:22:12 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 12:34:18 2016. "You are trying to make it appear that all three quotes were mine."I am not. The second and third are clearly not by you. I was using your logic on other situations to make it clear how ridiculous you are. "Show me where I made the second and third quotes which who claim are comparable. They certainly are not." You didn't. "In quote 2, why is there a need for states to regulate their own electoral processes? The federal government often makes laws that supersede states' powers." Yes, they do. "Your third quote is similarly fallacious. If the value of a job performed by a woman is less than the value if it were performed by a man, she should be paid less. The amount she sound be paid should be determined by the value of the work not by the fact she is a woman." I agree completely. "There is absolutely no comparison between your statements regarding Jews and gays with my statement regarding pedestrians. You are comparing apples and oranges." There is a comparison. A very strong one. "You make it appear that every time a driver saves 15 seconds, a pedestrian is killed." I do not do any such thing. "That is what would have to be true to make all three statements comparable." It does not. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:25:06 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 18:54:25 2016. The pedestrians who cross at red signals are not putting others at danger.Furthermore, the vast majority of unsafe vehicle operations through intersections are not people running red lights. It is people taking the green light to grant them a greater amount of right of way than it is giving them. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:26:15 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 12:49:33 2016. But your "evidence" that you propose is almost entirely consists of numbers you made up or are using incorrectly. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 14:28:39 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:47:27 2016. How do you know he was offered a job as a consultant? You don't know. Maybe he was offered a job and he turned it down. You don't know.Keep on speculating. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:31:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 13:02:18 2016. "Again you are making ridiculous assumptions that if I wouldn't have done something, someone else would have."That is not a ridiculous assumption. "You make it seem like anyone could have assembled 10,000 pages of documentation to convince a consortium of insurance companies to just hand over $30 million." Not anybody. But I'd trust the average person on the street more than I would trust you to. "That is far from the truth." Not far from it. "It was a difficult job which you make it appear that most anyone else could have done a better job and it wasn't difficult at all." Not saying it would be simple. " I never stated or implied that I was the only one capable of doing it but I am sure someone else may not have done a good a job as I did resulting in a lower payment." There is probably someone on this planet who is less capable than you. "All you are doing is making baseless accusations with zero proof. "Give me some time and I will provide the link to the posts where you first stated that saving $4 million a day was my job with your quote, "So you actually did your job for one day."" Nowhere in that post, nor any others, does it say that it was your job to save $4 million every day. "And you later said that wasn't my entire job responsibility meaning saving $4 million a day was not enough of a job responsibility for me." Correct in that I made a statement similar to what you claim I actually said. Incorrect with regards to your interperetation. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:35:31 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 13:09:54 2016. "Editor’s note: Portions of this article were significantly changed due to factual errors that have since been corrected. The premise behind those errors remain in strikeout as a matter of transparency, while some commentary has been deleted or changed. We regret the error." |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:35:57 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 18:58:40 2016. "Editor’s note: Portions of this article were significantly changed due to factual errors that have since been corrected. The premise behind those errors remain in strikeout as a matter of transparency, while some commentary has been deleted or changed. We regret the error." |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:42:29 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 19:17:20 2016. "That does not say a driver's time is worth more than a bus rider's time."The "conditional" argument that you make makes your views clear. "The point I was making was that DOT is only considering the value of a bus passenger's time and ignoring the time of car and truck drivers." There is no evidence whatsoever that they are. That said, they SHOULD value that of bus riders higher as they do not have the same negative cost to society. "There are many more car and truck drivers and passengers than there are bus passengers and they are losing more time than is gained by bus passengers." There is no reason to believe this is true. "So when EVERYONE's tine is considered the total amount of minutes lost is greater than the total amount of minutes gained making SBS on Woodhaven a poor idea." It does no such thing. "I repeatedly stated everyone's time needs to be treated EQUALLY." Yet you repeatedly complain when anybody tries to do so. "Then I added IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE CASE, that a bus rider's time is worth more than the tine of someone in a passenger car, it WOULD BE POSSIBLE to make a counter argument that a driver's tine is worth more because their income's are higher." That you consider such to be a possible argument makes it pretty damn clear that you are elitist scum. "I never was making that argument. I SIMPLY WAS STATING THAT THAT ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE." No, by making the statement, you were literally making the argument. "You clearly are reconstruing what I stated by ignoring that it was a CONDITIONAL statement, and not something I was advocating." Your weasel-phrasing has no effect on the obvious intent. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:46:42 2016, in response to Re: Waiting for proof, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 20:29:32 2016. My friends fdtutf and Ripta have done a magnificent job showing why your post is wrong in most ways, however I have one more essential bit to add."Cars do not win when their travel time is slowed by 38 percent." Car travel HAS NOT BEEN SLOWED BY 38 PERCENT. Car travel has slowed by 38% but that is referring only to... A. ONE SMALL SEGMENT B. ONE DIRECTION C. DURING ONE PEAK HOUR D. A SEGMENT WITHOUT ALL OF THE FEATURES OF THE PLAN IN PLACE. Today is still the "before" of the before/after. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:48:05 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 1 19:23:14 2016. A. You DID make the argument that bus riders time is less important.B. Nobody is ignoring everybody else's time. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:49:55 2016, in response to Re: Voice of Authority?, posted by nostalgia on Sun Jul 3 09:26:39 2016. You obviously have no concept of what was actually being discussed. Brian was clearly right and Allan was clearly wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:54:30 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 14:28:39 2016. It is easy to see that he wasn't. His postings and statements have made it clear that he wishes he was involved, and that he is incapable of actually holding such a position. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 15:01:29 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:54:30 2016. I'll let Bus answer that. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 15:24:30 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 15:01:29 2016. Why? You have answered plenty.I really don't care what he does in his life. I wish Bus all the best. We had a debate and as far as i am concerned, that is over no hard feeling on my end. You on the other hand want to be a cheerleader for him right, wrong or indifferent. You opened your mouth to me because you felt I was attacking him. That got me going at him, which Bus didn't deserve. I am trying to right that wrong, by standing with .....................! The answer to the blank is ANYBODY you don't like. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 5 15:51:51 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:18:31 2016. RE: the second paragraph from the top: to be fair, pedestrian safety isn't the final factor in all planning decisions - for example, at most intersections, pedestrians are allowed to cross with the green light, thereby conflicting with turning vehicles, vs. the peds being given exclusive phases with no vehicle conflicts, which would be safer, but could result in a lower level of service for peds and/or vehicles. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 16:12:03 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 5 15:51:51 2016. Valid point. |
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Posted by OCTD 2039 on Wed Jul 6 00:19:36 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by nostalgia on Tue Jul 5 09:59:15 2016. Yes, I responded to him by putting this thread into the Reef, but no one responded to my message. I want more than just to ride diesel buses... I want them! So for the last time, give me the diesel buses!!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:43:05 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 5 15:51:51 2016. Finally one intelligent comment. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:43:46 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 16:12:03 2016. Only because he said it. If I made the exact same point, you would find criticism. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:49:20 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:18:31 2016. Where do you see a choice between zero cost and zero pedestrian deaths in the quote you are referring to?So according to you preventing one single pedestrian fatality takes all precedence over everything else. So let us place a full ban on all motor vehicles in the entire New York City, using your logic. BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT EVERY SINGLE PEDESTRIAN FATALITY FROM A MOTOR VEHICLE, YOU MORON. And if posting traffic agents at intersections to aid in pedestrian crossings which I suggested "does nothing", then we shoukd do away with all school crossing guards also. Correct? That would really reduce pedestrian fatalities, right? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:52:51 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:25:06 2016. Pedestrians crossing at red signals if cars are approaching are definitely putting others at danger for forcing cars to make short stops or by swerving to avoid them and possibly hitting something else. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:53:32 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:26:15 2016. Again just accusations without any back up. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:56:27 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 13:47:27 2016. Maybe I don't want to go back as a consultant or no one offered me a position. You might be interested that last year in one of my meetings with the MTA, a supervisor of bus dispatchers asked me the same question. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:57:29 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:54:30 2016. Nonsense and pure speculation as usual from the person who claims that he is not required to present any proof. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:59:41 2016, in response to Re: Proof supplied but ignored, posted by Cornell Park on Tue Jul 5 15:24:30 2016. I have no problem with you. Only people like R30A who makes wild speculations all the time and claims they are facts or have a high probability of being a fact while presenting zero proof. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 14:07:18 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:31:44 2016. It certainly is a ridiculous assumption TO ASSUME someone else would have found the error considering you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE MTA's CHECKS AND BALANCES."I'd trust the average person on the street more than I would trust you." Same here buddy. So if the job wasn't difficult, which it was, and it wasn't simple either, what is the third choice? Of course there is someone on this planet less capable than me. I suspect there are many. When someone replies that I was doing my job properly for one day out of 25 years by saving $4 million on that day, it is clear that the inference is I shoukd be saving $4 million every day. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH MY INTERPRETATION. But now you are denying that is what you strongly implied because you now realize what a DUMB statement that was for you to make, so you are trying to do damage control. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 14:10:01 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:35:31 2016. How is that evidence to the contrary?The editor is apologizing to the readers because of factual errors I made and submitted to him for correction based on my own accord, not because I was instructed to make any corrections. That is exactly what I stated. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 14:11:32 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 5 14:35:57 2016. How many times do you need to state the same thing? I already replied your quote is not any evidence to the contrary. It is exactly how I stated the events occurred.Your quote proves absolutely nothing. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 7 14:12:01 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 7 13:52:51 2016. Drivers should be paying enough attention so that they do not need to stop short. |
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