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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 22:18:53 2016 The answers that DOT gave the Plumb Beach Civic association on May 3rd regarding their traffic changes in Sheepshead Bay, which also inconvenience bus riders, was they are going to do whatever they please and do not have to listen to the communities if they do not want to. That is the same response they gave to Woodhaven Boulevard users regarding SBS last November. They agreed to have additional workshops this in Woodhaven this Spring to get additional input from the community and are now going back on their word and instead are using these meetings to explain to the community what they have already decided. This is not democracy; it is dictatorship. In Sheepshead Bay, they wouldn't even agree to collect data to evaluate their proposal and would not respond to questions they were asked or provide data such as traffic volumes to justify their contention of the road being congested where they claimed it was. They would only say the area is dangerous and their changes makes it safer and are here to stay. http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2016/05/stop-residents-demand-dot-halt-sheepshead-bay-traffic-plan/ http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/19/bn-sheepshead-bay-road-rage-2016-05-06-bk.html |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 5 00:16:30 2016, in response to Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 22:18:53 2016. When the vocal arm of the local population is a know-nothing ninny who isn't looking out for the best interests of his peers, then there's nothing DOT can do but ignore him. No answer they would provide would satisfy hm so why should they bother?? |
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Posted by Dan on Thu May 5 08:44:26 2016, in response to Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 22:18:53 2016. It's time for the City Council to reign in the NYCDOT. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 5 09:56:38 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by Dan on Thu May 5 08:44:26 2016. What are all the things they've done wrong?? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu May 5 11:32:52 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 5 09:56:38 2016. They didn't dedicate every available square foot of public space to the automobile, so they must be derelict in their duties! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 5 15:12:38 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by WillD on Thu May 5 11:32:52 2016. lol |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu May 5 18:30:10 2016, in response to Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 4 22:18:53 2016. Let's take a serious look at the "vison zero" effort to reduce traffic fatalities.Have you seen one sign at an intersection that tells pedestrians to not enter or cross the street against the light? Or to look up and check to see if a car is turning? The answer is NO. Vision zero is an anti-middle class/working class initiative designed to raise money nothing else. Pedestrians IGNORE rules every day putting themselves in harm’s way. It is a two sided process to reduce pedestrian injuries. The DOT has shown their cards 100% as being anti automobile for the reason that it is their ideology. They use statistics that don't actually tell the story that they want to tell but they insist they do. They artificially reduced the speed limits on major roads such as Ocean Parkway in an effort to raise money through tickets. Going 30 or 35 on ocean parkway no way increases the likelihood of a pedestrian injury. It does not. Drivers who do not signal, drivers who turn right from the middle lane without looking. These are dangerous behaviors that lead to pedestrian injury. These dangerous lane changes have increased since the speed limit has been reduced. In 25 years prior to the speed limit change on ocean parkway I was cut off by a car turning right from the middle lane of Ocean Parkway ZERO times. Since the speed limit change 4 times. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 5 18:42:45 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by brightonr68 on Thu May 5 18:30:10 2016. I agree with you mostly about Zero Vision, but it's not anti-working class at all. Most working class people in New York City do not drive. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:23:42 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 5 00:16:30 2016. Keep up with your insults and attacks then keep lying that you never insult anyone. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:30:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by Dan on Thu May 5 08:44:26 2016. The City Council has been duped by Vision Zero. They are the biggest supporters of Vision Zero so they don't see any problem. They are also not the brightest bunch. If you attend some of the hearings you will see that from the type of questions they ask and some of they answers they receive and accept without any challenges. All DOT had to say is that a danger exists and the council just assumes they are correct. They rarely ask for proof of DOT claims and if they do, the answer they receive is sure we can get you that information, then the matter is quickly forgotten about by the council as they move on to other problems.Another example is how DOT insists that SBS is a tremendous success and not one council member has asked why in 2 and a half years no report whatsoever has been issued for the B44 SBS. Nothing has been issued for the M60 either because the numbers show ridership has declined significantly on those routes since SBS was instituted. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:38:54 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by brightonr68 on Thu May 5 18:30:10 2016. There was a great initiative after Vision Zero was implemented to install the word "Look" with eyes in the crosswalk. It was a great reminder for those staring at their phones who were staring on the ground. So let's examine why they did that and what happened with it.They were installed under great fanfare and was only done because NYCDOT received a $50,000 federal grant to do it and it didn't cost them anything and was great Vision Zero publicity. But due to DOT's gross incompetence, either the material used was defective or the installation was improper and all of the signs immediately began to peel off. Within only THREE MONTHS, they were all gone. So did the DOT ever figure out what went wrong? NO. Did they ever reinstall the decals? No. Why? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MORE FEDERAL MONEY AND THEY REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. All they cared about was their press release and the publicity they got from it. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 6 18:17:52 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:23:42 2016. Really? You're insulted by that? Puh-lease. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 6 19:02:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:30:44 2016. You don't understand why ridership changes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:41:29 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 6 19:02:55 2016. Here we go again with your useless comments. I understand more than you will ever understand. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:48:02 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by brightonr68 on Thu May 5 18:30:10 2016. DOT only shows statistics that prove the points they want to prove. Yesterday, they had a press conference to show the "success" of the bike lanes. They said the number of regular cyclists tripled since 1990 when they started adding bike lanes. First of all,,who uses 26 years as a study period? Second not a word was said about the injury rate to cyclists in 1990 as compared today. Isn't that important too? So those statistics they hide because I would venture to guess that there are many more injuries to cyclists as well today than there were 26 years ago. It is called lying with statistics. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat May 7 01:51:55 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:48:02 2016. DOT compiles and publishes bicycle accident data. It has plummeted. More absurd statements from Allan Rosen. It is called lying without statistics! |
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Posted by R30A on Sat May 7 01:52:47 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:41:29 2016. If you understand anything about transportation you are constantly lying. If you are telling the truth, you understand nothing about transportation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 09:31:14 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 01:52:47 2016. As I said, birds of a feather stick together. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 7 10:47:06 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 15:30:44 2016. Where are the decreases in ridership on the M60? If it handles fewer crosstown passengers along 125th Street that is a good thing. The service should be targeted at passengers going to LGA and other passengers who want to cross the RFK Bridge. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat May 7 16:24:32 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 7 10:47:06 2016. If you look at the ridership counts, it clearly coincides with the introduction of the Q70. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 19:19:05 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 16:24:32 2016. Doesn't necessarily mean people switched from the M60. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 19:43:30 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 16:24:32 2016. Doesn't necessarily mean people switched from the M60. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:56:54 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 6 18:17:52 2016. Bump. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:58:20 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 09:31:14 2016. You're dumber than a pile of bricks, in that case. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:58:36 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 01:52:47 2016. Great post. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:59:58 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:41:29 2016. Nope. You really don't know why ridership changes. You haven't a clue. You may have been the worst director of bus planning in the modern era. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:02:29 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 01:51:55 2016. Great post!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:03:44 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 6 23:48:02 2016. Hey genius, if there are 3x the number of cyclists then it wouldn't be outrageous to have 3x the number of injuries. Anything less than that would be an improvement. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:09:41 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 19:19:05 2016. LOL! Omg. Get help. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:10:12 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 19:43:30 2016. Why would you post this twice?? |
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Posted by R30A on Sun May 8 03:10:21 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 7 19:43:30 2016. When one route has another route added which provides an overlapping service and the ridership of the former goes down, yes, it almost certainly does mean that. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun May 8 06:06:19 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sat May 7 16:24:32 2016. In addition frequency on the Q19 has been increased to provide more local service along Astoria Boulevard between Astoria and East Elmhurst. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 10:57:53 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by merrick1 on Sun May 8 06:06:19 2016. So we have three people saying Allan Rosen is wrong and zero people saying he's right. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun May 8 12:56:11 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by merrick1 on Sun May 8 06:06:19 2016. Certainly a potential factor as well! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:41:18 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:58:20 2016. Another one of your insults after you claimed that you never attacked or insulted me. LIAR! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:42:11 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:58:36 2016. As I said birds of a feather flock together. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:52:04 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat May 7 23:59:58 2016. Yeah, the director who had Schedules rewrite the B49 schedule to turn 11 useless trips to Avenue U to go to Farragut Rd so people wouldn't have to wait 30 minutes for a bus to go home from the beach at a lower cost, and the director who caught 96 errors in the Brooklyn Bus Map before it was released after the proofreaders already gave their okay, the director who moved a bus stop to be in front of the new escalator on the first day of operation, the director who wouldn't let I suiting letters be sent to passengers. I couldn't do that much in only six months, but what I did I am proud of. Ridership goes down when service gets worse. It goes up when service improves. That is all you really have to know. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:55:43 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun May 8 00:03:44 2016. The goal is Vision Zero. No fatalities or serious injuries. So three times the injuries is really not good at all. It shows the lanes you created are no safer than what was there before, I.e no bicycle lanes. So the question would be why install them? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:59:18 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by R30A on Sun May 8 03:10:21 2016. One could conceivably argue that the M60 and Q70 serve a different clientele. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 00:49:57 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:41:18 2016. No, it's a fact. You are. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 00:50:22 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:42:11 2016. And as I said, you're not that bright, it seems. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 00:52:23 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:52:04 2016. LOL you're so wrong. You have no idea why ridership changes. You're clueless. You may have well never even have had experience in Transportation Planning! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 00:53:43 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:55:43 2016. That was mostly done before vision zero. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 00:54:23 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:59:18 2016. So argue it. Stop being passive aggressive. Make your case so the intelligent people here can shoot it full of holes. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 9 02:51:10 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:59:18 2016. They certainly do. But those different sets have an undeniably large overlap. |
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Posted by JerBear on Mon May 9 13:00:46 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:55:43 2016. He's saying it wouldn't be outrageous, but he's not saying that it's really happening. It's less than three times the injuries because it's non-linear. It shows that the lanes you created are safer than what was there before. So the question would be why not install more of them?http://grist.org/article/2010-10-11-theres-safety-in-numbers-for-cyclists/ |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon May 9 13:12:56 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 8 23:59:18 2016. But that doesn't account for the people who took the M60 as the only option who now take the Q70. Manhattan south of 72nd Street is more accessible with the Q70 due to subway and LIRR connections. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 9 14:05:53 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by mtk52983 on Mon May 9 13:12:56 2016. I am not saying there wasn't any overlap, just that it cannot be assumed that all the M60 decline went over to the Q70. From what I have heard, the M60 is overcrowded and delayed frequently which also could contribute to the passenger decline. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 14:23:27 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 9 14:05:53 2016. Who said "all"? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 9 16:14:34 2016, in response to Re: Dictatorship not Democracy, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 9 14:23:27 2016. Very unkind of you to knock down that straw man so unceremoniously.;-) |
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