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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 26 00:05:03 2015, in response to NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 25 23:23:41 2015. Do they auction these 'as is' or is something done to prevent operation, given the expiration dates of the CNG tanks? When CNYRTA recently sold off their CNG Orion V's with expired tanks, they drilled holes in the tanks to make sure no one could operate the buses. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by busdude2 on Wed Aug 26 05:14:26 2015, in response to NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 25 23:23:41 2015. Why are tires not included ? So if a bus is bought can you buy the tires from them at an extra cost? |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Aug 26 07:40:16 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by busdude2 on Wed Aug 26 05:14:26 2015. The tire price is the dollar figure at the end of each listing. Tires are normally priced separately because they are often leased and the seller usually tries to recover remaining lease value. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Aug 26 09:48:04 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 26 00:05:03 2015. They're auctioned as-is. It's up to the buyer to make sure they are up to spec for operation, or a recycler buys them to part them out/salvage them. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Aug 26 21:57:30 2015, in response to NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 25 23:23:41 2015. They re-tanked them before retirement, due to the designline fiasco. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 27 08:40:02 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by TheHat on Wed Aug 26 21:57:30 2015. Their tanks didn't expire until 2014 (1999 buses with 15-year units), and they were replaced by the new MCI CNGs that year - they've been sitting in the Meadowlands "graveyard" lot ever since. NJT would have no reason whatsoever to spend that kind of cash to re-tank buses that were being replaced on time. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri Aug 28 00:36:25 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 27 08:40:02 2015. Oh SNAP, we have a bona fide disagreement of facts going on here! I can't wait to see who is wrong! |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by MTA T on Fri Aug 28 01:43:45 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri Aug 28 00:36:25 2015. Typical |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri Aug 28 01:47:18 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by MTA T on Fri Aug 28 01:43:45 2015. Would you want it any other way? |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Fri Aug 28 19:06:32 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by TheHat on Wed Aug 26 21:57:30 2015. Tanks expire in 2033.https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=81&acctid=6644 |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 28 21:09:41 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Fri Aug 28 19:06:32 2015. Which would indicate re-tanking with 20 year tanks in 2013. Maybe they hedged against not getting replacements in time after the D-Line issue? I'm sure the rest of the pieces will fall into place in this saga, there always seems to be someone out there who has, as Paul Harvey used to call it, "the rest of the story" |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri Aug 28 21:31:10 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 28 21:09:41 2015. I stand corrected on the retanking, but the first 84 MCIs were ordered in September 2013, so NJT knew they were coming. Retanking those buses still doesn't make sense because of the severely limited market for them... who is going to buy a 16-year-old CNG motorcoach, who can also fuel it? If someone wants a coach for a motorhome, why would they buy a CNG that they'll likely have to repower and retank to diesel? They would just pass on these and find a used diesel coach. And how does NJT recover the cost of those tanks if they end up going to a recycler, who will bid at the bottom of the scale?If NJT needed interim coaches, they could have done the same thing they did before - rent buses from MCI (the "original" 7101-7120 MCIs). As tight as their finances are, retanking those CNGs seems like an unnecessary use of scarce funds. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 28 22:25:57 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Aug 28 21:31:10 2015. What you are saying makes complete sense. Maybe they only did a small group as a feasibility kind of trial? Sort of like repowering one or two hybrids. Lot of miles on them. Wish I had the whole story. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 29 09:45:45 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Aug 28 21:31:10 2015. There are public CNG fueling facilities. It will simply take an hour to fuel each bus. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sat Aug 29 10:49:50 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 29 09:45:45 2015. There's still no market for a 16-year-old, 750,000-mile motorcoach with an alternative fuel system. The only other transit agency with CNG MCIs is Los Angeles DOT, and theirs are fairly new. I don't see any Mom&Pop charter outfit, church, or potential RV-conversion owner looking for such a vehicle, when they can buy a diesel of the same vintage and know it's more easily fueled and maintained... not to mention has far superior range. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat Aug 29 11:40:14 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Sat Aug 29 10:49:50 2015. More wasted money by NJT. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Aug 30 00:40:18 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Fri Aug 28 21:31:10 2015. Thanks for admitting it! TheHat wins!!!!! |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 30 08:19:18 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Sat Aug 29 10:49:50 2015. NJT wants to show that bus disposal is not done exclusively through friends and family. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 09:44:55 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Aug 30 00:40:18 2015. Never a problem for me to be corrected. |
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Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 09:49:02 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 30 08:19:18 2015. They've been auctioning their buses for decades. I used to go to the auction previews in Sewaren when they were getting rid of all the GMCs in the mid 80s. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Aug 30 17:02:21 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 09:44:55 2015. You're a good man. I wish many others here had the same attitude as you. Think of how great and civil a place this would be, and how much more knowledge we'd be able to share. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Aug 30 17:04:13 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 09:49:02 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 30 19:59:34 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 09:49:02 2015. They are auctioning them, but in many smaller numbers than are being disposed of. I suppose someone in NJT wants to figure out if they are maximizing the scrap value of the vehicles. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun Aug 30 22:13:51 2015, in response to Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by JAzumah on Sun Aug 30 19:59:34 2015. Pretty sure these 7 are the last of the old CNGs. Batches have been going out for a while - this was over a year and a half ago:----------------- 01/21/14 02:00 Offers for Purchase: 25 Retired 1999 MCI CNG (Compressed Natural Gas)Buses without Tires***Inquiries with regard to this solicitation should be directed to Teresa Russo at 973-491-7574 or trusso@njtransit.com***A site visit to inspect the buses is set for January 15th with a snow date of January 17th @ 10:00 am. |
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update - Re: NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Sep 16 15:15:29 2015, in response to NJT auctioning last remaining CNG MCI 102D3s, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Aug 25 23:23:41 2015. 09/15/2015 B13-01(7) 1999 MCI Roadworthy Buses Maurice Vanegas-Sun Valley CA $73,600.00 ----------------- Maurice Vanegas is linked to several businesses in that area of southern California, with the most current one noted as a real estate management firm (Socecorev LLC). Educated guess would be he'd use them as shuttles for the apartment complexes. At just ten grand per bus, tanks good for another 18 years, and the better public availability of CNG in that area, it seems like a good buy for that purpose. |
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