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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:02:35 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 7 17:32:18 2015. You stated that most regular riders you speak to say SBS is an improvement including one person who claims the bus's average speed is 30 mph which you doubt. If you didn't believe her, there would have been no reason to quote her. By doing so, you cast doubt on the other riders claims of improvement also. Do I really have to explain that to you? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:11:11 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by jasonnyc on Sat May 9 17:13:06 2015. I don't know where you are getting your numbers from, but they certainly weren't from me and I don't see the point of them.No one is denying that POP doesn't speed up boarding and travel times. But it also increase your chance of missing a bus. That is probably the reason the UES is pissed about POP. It has nothing to do with being pampered. The M15 I am sure is much more unreliable than the Bx41. The UES residents who are complaining probably have numerous instances (and those are the ones they will remember) where they just missed a bus because they had to wait on line to pay their fare. Them they either waited 15 minutes or longer or the next SBS or else settled for the slower local. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:22:21 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Fri May 8 11:03:03 2015. No it isn't "claimed" It is proven. In 1977, the B1, and discontinued B21 were two of the lowest performers in the system and only warranted 15 or 20 minute service. The modified B1 as it operates today and as I recommended in 1978, now operates at 5 or ten minute headways with even more frequent service when you count the supplemental school service and is ranked 27th out of 182 local bus routes in the city.Other routes such as the B11 also operate more frequenty and carry more passengers. Those facts are indisputable. Compare that success with the MTA''s new routes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:24:09 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 7 17:32:33 2015. It was in the Rockaway Times which I linked in the last series. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:30:51 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Thu May 7 17:56:44 2015. Ridership only went up significantly on the Bx12 and the Bx41. In SI it didn't go up more than the borough average looking at the SBS and the local as we did elsewhere. The M60 went down and the M34 went down 11% I believe, twice the borough average of a 6% decline. the M15 was also down greater than the borough average.And don't give me the crap that what happened last year doesn't matter, just because you don't like the numbers. If ridership would have zoomed up on all SBS routes last year, you would never say last years' results are irrelevant. You would be quoting them all over the place. You don't get the right to claim numbers are relevant or irrelevant after only you have seen them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:31:58 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Thu May 7 17:57:12 2015. And who is that "one person"? If I can find a second one, your statement is then a lie. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:33:04 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 8 07:40:06 2015. LOL! Not in a million years!! You are completely delusional!!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:33:23 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 8 07:40:06 2015. LOL! Not in a million years!! You are completely delusional!!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:36:57 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 8 08:41:27 2015. I tell you what. Why don't you just go and ask the MTA Chairman. He knows the truth. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:40:01 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu May 7 21:28:52 2015. Correct, and I headed Brooklyn Planning for almost two years, not to mention my seven years of studying Brooklyn bus routes at City Planning. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:51:07 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 8 12:24:56 2015. I told everyone why I left and it is no secret. I couldn't work with all the diesel fumes at East NY that the MTA refused to do anything about. That was because of my asthma. It also very much bothered my Chief Dispatcher who also had asthma. Then I learned that other workers also had problems. I asked for proof and within 24 hours I had affidavits from a dozen other employees whom I did not even know. I submitted this to my boss, mistakenly thinking that he cared because I liked him.He didn't believe the claims and brought in OSHA to prove to me the air was safe to breathe. I asked the inspector for the results. He said "if the filter turns grey in 30 minutes, it means the air is unsafe. This filter turned black in five minutes." My boss never told me the results, but immediately transferred me and 6 of my 12 employees to Jay Street combining Rapid and Surface Planning and that was the beginning of Operations Planning with only 35 employees. He was afraid of a possible lawsuit I presume. So my transfer had nothing to do with my abilities but was due to the MTA's unwillingness to provide a safe working environment for its employees. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun May 10 10:17:52 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:30:51 2015. Last year matters for sure. It just has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether SBS is a success, because the numbers from the prior year ARE SBS AS WELL.There will be other lines which you can use current data for to look at whether SBS is a success, but only immediately after they are converted to SBS. After that, you will be stuck using old numbers if you have any desire to make a meaningful comparison. If ridership increased on every SBS line last year, and ridership had gone down on every SBS line immediately after they were converted, SBS would be a failure. Control treatments are by definition not variables. Take a math/science course somewhere on either experimental design or data analysis and you will likely make arguments which sound less ridiculous. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 10 11:36:24 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:24:09 2015. I don't have time to read every single rant you post here. Sorry. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 10 11:39:09 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:02:35 2015. No, because that wasn't the point. The people I've spoken to about SBS on the M15 like it so much in some cases, they describe it using hyperbole. So while I doubt the fact the bus averages 30 MPH including stops, she clearly thinks it is a significant improvement over what used to run there. |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Sun May 10 14:36:54 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:11:11 2015. In the post I replied to (your post) you use the numbers, and I am responding to them:"Yes satisfied people don't complain, but for the councilman to state he gets more M15 complaints than all others which includes, housing, education, healthcare, sanitation, crime, etc. is a pretty powerful statement. It shows that the 95% satisfaction number the MTA as been throwing out based on a hundred responses to a one time four year old survey, is pure BS when there are 15 million daily riders." |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Sun May 10 14:39:18 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:11:11 2015. To clarify, the 5% unsatisfied figure I state is based on the 95% satisfied rate. The rest was just math on that 5%. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 10 18:18:31 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 00:22:32 2015. You're expect far too much from yourself.I used caps to make sure you UNDERSTOOD,and even That didn't help you,child. Your post is the equivalent of someone saying 'Nana Nana boo boo',and sticking his tongue out...you don't see how ridiculously stupid that makes you look? No..I would guess not,since All of what you do is stupid. Carry on. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 19:59:38 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 08:54:15 2015. Where did I call him a liar? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:51:59 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 10 11:39:09 2015. Makes sense. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:52:50 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by jasonnyc on Sun May 10 14:36:54 2015. Owned. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:52:58 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by jasonnyc on Sun May 10 14:39:18 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:55:02 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Sun May 10 10:17:52 2015. Excellent post. I can't believe this guy was ever the HEAD of bus planning, based on how he misunderstands almost everything. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:55:45 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:33:04 2015. Why are you quoting me without attribution? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:55:53 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:33:23 2015. Why are you quoting me without attribution? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:56:23 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:36:57 2015. Why does he know the truth about this? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:59:20 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:40:01 2015. That may very well be true, but:1. It's almost impossible to believe based on how clueless you come across on this website, and; 2. You still haven't been able to post a single shred of credible evidence that supports your statements about your supposed positions. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 21:13:32 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:51:07 2015. He said "if the filter turns grey in 30 minutes, it means the air is unsafe. This filter turned black in five minutes." My boss never told me the resultsHow could he have never told you the results if he said to you "this filter turned black in 5 minutes"? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 21:32:56 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 10 18:18:31 2015. I don't expect anything from myself, except for the truth. Sadly I can't expect the same from you. Would it kill you to admit that you wasted your time and now you're pissed? |
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Posted by dkupf on Mon May 11 00:58:03 2015, in response to We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 00:17:28 2015. In my opinion, SBS was only a success in the Bronx. After all, the Bx12 Local/SBS now surpasses the M15 Local/SBS in ridership.But I think that it has been a failure elsewhere. I live in Manhattan, and know that, based on the numbers, the M15 SBS siphoned riders from the Lexington Ave/3 Ave and York Ave Corridors. In fact, the B44 maximum load point, before the Limited was converted to SBS, was Fulton St/Nostrand Ave in BOTH DIRECTIONS, because there was a good connection to the subway. The northbound SBS no longer stops here, but at Bedford Ave instead. The people are now forced to take the local during the weekday AM peak. Mike Nash and I said that this would happen, and it did. MTA, we told you so!!! |
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Posted by dkupf on Mon May 11 00:59:51 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by dkupf on Mon May 11 00:58:03 2015. I meant, Mike Nash and I said that this would happen TO THE B44!My bad. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 11 08:31:59 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 7 17:03:20 2015. Yeah I am wrong four times because you, the world's most authoritative source says so.Hey, you said it, not me. And the funny thing is you aren't even talking about yourself. You are now a mind reader knowing positively how others will behave.LOL, wrong! I use facts, logic, and reasoning to come to my conclusions. They are usually pretty accurate. If you can find a pattern of my conclusions that are not accurate, please do share them with us. Otherwise you can STFU, loser. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 10:19:10 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 11 08:31:59 2015. You rarely if ever give logical reasons for your conclusions. Your conclusion is usually, "you''re an idiot, and your reason is that you are the world's foremost authority. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 10:23:05 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 10 11:39:09 2015. Have you spoken to any local passengers how local service has been degraded because that is also a part of it? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 10:24:15 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 10 09:22:21 2015. ASSERTION IS NOT PROOF.I'm still wondering whether you will ever figure that out. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 10:30:30 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 21:13:32 2015. From the original post:I asked the inspector for the results. He said "if the filter turns grey in 30 minutes, it means the air is unsafe. This filter turned black in five minutes." My boss never told me the results,... Allan didn't get the results from his boss; he got them from the inspector. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:05:28 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 10:24:15 2015. That's right, assertion is not proof.The MTA that trips will be able to be made up to 35% quicker on Woodhaven. That was assertion without proof, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BOTER YOU. At least I gave justifications with my assertions. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:06:13 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun May 10 11:36:24 2015. Not my problem. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:07:12 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Success, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 10:23:05 2015. No, but I'm not making sweeping statements or posting what I hear on the Internet for wide public consumption. You are, and when you do so, the lack of logic in your claims undermines whatever points you are trying to make. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:07:40 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:06:13 2015. Perhaps if your writings were more sensible people would pay more attention to them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:20:21 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by R30A on Sun May 10 10:17:52 2015. If ridership increased on every SBS line last year, and ridership had gone down on every SBS line immediately after they were converted, SBS would be a failure.Totally untrue. If you wenntto Planning school, you woud realize that it takes time for people to alter their travel patterns. Sometimes it could take years. Their other choices available also matter. Under your scenario, it would indicate that SBS was a failure the first year, but circumstances changed after that. If the subsequent ridership increases on SBS were no greater than on other routes, that would mean other circumstances have come into play like a change in the economy. However, if the increase in ridership on SBS routes has gone up markedly, it could mean several things, all indicating success. Among these reasons could be that changes were made after the first year like better SBS enforcement, priority signals added after the first year, fare machines broken less often, some drivers decided to try the bus instead and liked it, among others. There is no reason to believe that only the first year data indicates success or failure and data from the second and third years are irrelevant as far as SBS is concerned. Data in subsequent years is just as important as from the first year and has more relevance because circumstances are always changing. Success or failure after the first year does not indicate success or failure for all time. It just tells you what happened after the first year and that's all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:21:55 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:07:40 2015. Plenty people pay attention to them. One of the reasons I was invited on TV. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:23:07 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:55:53 2015. I thought it would be obvious that no one else woud be crazy enough to make such a statement. Sorry. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:24:06 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 10:30:30 2015. Exactly.Terrapin as a reading comprehension problem. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:26:53 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:56:23 2015. Because he knows me for over 20 years. We used to chat in the elevator in the 90's and I spoke to him personally in 2011 when he thanked me for my many years of service. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:27:35 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:21:55 2015. The Internet gives megaphones to lots of people who might not get them otherwise. Doesn't mean they deserve them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:29:02 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 10 20:59:20 2015. I have given credible evidence for all my positions. Not my fault if you do not know how to read and draw logical conclusions, like you misread my comment about the air filter. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:30:00 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:29:02 2015. That is false, you've admitted you haven't done basic research and fact checking for some of your articles. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:30:42 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by dkupf on Mon May 11 00:58:03 2015. I don't see how the Bx12 surpassing M15 ridership is relevant to SBS beings success for failure. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 11:36:21 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 11 11:30:00 2015. +10,000 |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 11 11:36:50 2015, in response to Re: We Now Have Definitive Proof SBS is a Failure, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 11 11:24:06 2015. I'd say Terrapin, like all of us, has an occasional reading comprehension problem. It's certainly not a chronic thing. |
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