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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Aug 20 10:33:04 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. Buses cannot fit on the Jackie Robinson Parkway. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 20 10:54:08 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. A new Brooklyn to LGA service would be worth considering, but I would keep the Q70 as a separate service. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 20 11:06:33 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. I think it would be better as a distinct route, call it the B80. It can operate out of the East New York depot. This could also serve as an alternative to the B15 for JFK Airport.From the JRP: Right on Jamaica, Right on Broadway, Left on Van Sinderen, Left on Fulton, Left on East New York/Jamaica, Right on Pennsylvania, left on Linden, then follow the current B15 route east of Fountain Avenue. From JFK, it would simply follow these directions in reverse to Pennsylvania/Jamaica, where it would follow the Broadway/Van Sinderen/East New York/Jamaica loop then head up the JRP. Stops along this section of the route would be: Broadway Junction station Pennsylvania/Liberty Pennsylvania/Livonia Linden/Pennsylvania Linden/Fountain Linden/Eldert Linden/79th Lefferts AirTrain Service Road stops JFK Terminal 5 The B15 could then be rerouted via the current B13 path along Eldert Lane, Stanley Avenue, and Crescent Street to the Postal Facility and Gateway Center. I could argue for an added stop at Woodhaven Boulevard & Myrtle Avenue, as that's a high volume corridor. LGA-bound: Use JRP Exit 5, right on Myrtle, stop at west side of Woodhaven, left on Woodhaven, right on Union, stop at Queens Boulevard. Then via the old Q74 route path to cross Queens Boulevard. Then via the Van Wyck north to the airport. (Alternate via Grand Central: Left on 141st Street, left on Union Tpk Eastbound, to westbound Grand Central to the airport) JFK-bound: Use VWE exit 8 (or GCP Exit 13W), Discharge Stop at 78th Crescent. Via Q74 turnaround to Queens Boulevard eastbound service road. Pick-up stop at Union Turnpike. Right on Union, Right on Woodhaven, right on Myrtle to stop, left on JRP Westbound. I have to wonder though. Do buses currently use the JRP? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Aug 20 11:31:24 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 20 11:06:33 2014. There are a few bridges just over 9 feet, and at least one under 9 feet. The only bus safe bridges on the JRP would probably be at the East end. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Wed Aug 20 13:00:32 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by pragmatist on Wed Aug 20 11:31:24 2014. There are several problems with the idea of using the JRP.1. - According to J AZUMAH's previous post buses are not allowed on the parkways. If that is by legislative edict, we all know that can be reversed, because the law is whatever the politicians want. 2. - Are the two lanes wide enough to accommodate both a bus and a car side by side, let alone two buses side by side. 3. - How will the buses handle the two "S" curves that go through the cemetery. About ten years ago I was e/b during evening rush hour and was on the long straight away before the "S" curves when I heard sirens. I was in the right lane and got as close to the wall as I could. The driver next to me pulled as far as he/she could to the center divided. I watch out of my window in amazement how a pumper truck and a tiller rig ladder truck came down the space we had made at a good rate of speed. I doubt this could be done if a bus was there. 4. - Assuming the bus could fit under the QB underpass, could a w/b bus negotiate the left hand bend and incline that starts afterwards. I was e/b one evening when I saw a "misplaced track trailer" stuck in that spot because he had ripped part of the roof off the trailer. I didn't stick around to see how the NYPD solved that problem and got traffic flowing again! It's a great idea to provide those people with a one seat ride, providing the buses are modified to carry luggage, just not on the JRP. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Aug 20 13:56:45 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. It will also take away the route's dependability.When you're dealing with highways in NYC, you want multiple shorter routes rather than fewer longer ones (hence why the B83 continues onto the Belt Parkway to the mall and not the B82). |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 20 18:23:50 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. And it will significantly worsen the commutes of the people who live in Queens.The Q70 has a purpose, a direct connection between the LIRR, the Subway and the airport. By putting it on the Jackie, a road on which a city bus DOES NOT FIT, you are making life difficult for everyone else to save a small handful of people a few minutes. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Aug 20 19:16:03 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 20 18:23:50 2014. Non starter......dead idea upon arrival. |
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Posted by Petabread2 on Wed Aug 20 19:47:41 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Aug 20 19:16:03 2014. It will be faster to take the b15 to jfk, fly to boston and then catch a flight back to lga than a bus from Brooklyn to lga... |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Aug 20 22:42:08 2014, in response to The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Wed Aug 20 09:15:05 2014. By some strange coincidence or not, there is someone on the NYCTF also posting Brooklyn-to-LGA proposals... |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 21 01:25:08 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by Hart Bus on Wed Aug 20 13:00:32 2014. 1, 2. NICE operates buses on the Meadowbrook Parkway, which has some low overpasses between Freeport and Jones Beach. Keep in mind these are CNG buses that use this parkway. MTA buses use segments of the Belt Parkway, in particular, the B83 between Pennsylvania Avenue and Erskine Street. The winner for MTA buses operating on roads with narrow lanes and low overpasses is… the M66 and M72 through Central Park.4. Buses won't use the parkway at that point as they need to make a stop at the Union Turnpike station. Under my "Myrtle/Woodhaven stop" proposal, the buses would be on Union Turnpike east of Woodhaven Boulevard If not, they''d be off the parkway at Metropolitan anyway. The only alternative to the JRP I see would be to use Union Turnpike, Myrtle Avenue, Cooper Avenue, Cypress Hills Street, and Jamaica Avenue. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:20:04 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by JAzumah on Wed Aug 20 10:33:04 2014. Then the proposal is DOA.If the bus doesn't fit... |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:20:46 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Aug 20 10:54:08 2014. Agreed. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:55:16 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 20 11:06:33 2014. The way that Woodhaven Blvd is offset from the JRP I think there would be too much of a time penalty waiting for the stop lights and additional stops along this corridor.I support a separate route from the Q70 but I will call it the Q80 :-) The Q80 LGA UNION TURNPIKE (SUBWAY) BROADWAY JUNCTION (SUBWAY) PENNSYLVANIA AVE (SUBWAY) VIA PENNSYLVANIA AVE NEW LOTS AVE (SUBWAY) GATEWAY CENTER MALL Instead of JFK. IF you have the BX41, M60, Q70, and Q80, what you have effectively created is a high speed quad-boro transit hub at LGA. How cool is that? |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:57:32 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Aug 20 13:56:45 2014. Thats a real concern, also even if busses could fit on the JRP the intense traffic jams through the Kew Gardens interchange might make this proposal unworkable. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:59:20 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 20 18:23:50 2014. It can be separated.The Q80. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 12:00:42 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Aug 20 22:42:08 2014. It's just a coincidence. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Aug 21 12:15:20 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 11:59:20 2014. A CITY BUS CAN'T USE THE JACKIE ROBINSION PARKWAY!The turns are too tight and the bridges are too low. The Park lane underpass has a posted height clearance of 9'2" in the Brooklyn bound lanes. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Aug 21 12:31:15 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by The Silence on Thu Aug 21 12:15:20 2014. You can always do what they do elsewhere in the world -- order buses with their own specifications that can do the job.Ever check out some of those Rome buses that sneak their way along those narrow roads more appropriate for motorcycles (or whatever they call them there)? |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 12:32:07 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by The Silence on Thu Aug 21 12:15:20 2014. I already knew the buses would not fit on the JRP from the first post by JAzumah.You already knew that buses would not fit on the JRP by reading the first post by JAzumah. Yet, you still responded about worsened commutes on an impossible bus route that cannot exist. So I addressed your concerns about the worsened commutes of Q70 customers by separating the phantom bus service (Q80) from the existing Q70 bus service. You're welcome. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Aug 21 15:19:24 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Aug 21 12:32:07 2014. I did not read his post. I immediately went to correct you on yet another misguided idea. I know the Jackie because I use it all the time. I don't need him to tell me that. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Fri Aug 22 10:21:25 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 21 01:25:08 2014. Please excuse the delay in answering this post, but work and other obligations prevented me from going on this board yesterday.I have read your post and must respectfully disagree with it for several reasons. You are trying to match apples and oranges. 1 - From what I remember there are NO overpasses on the Meadowbrook Pkwy between Merrick Ave. and Jones Beach. NICE and their predecessors enter/exit on Merrick Road because all commercial traffic is allowed on the Parkway at that point. 2 - I believe that like #1 there are no overpasses on the Belt Parkway between Pennsylvania and Erskine. 3 - The implied comparison between the JRP and CP I don't feel is valid because the difference in the heights of the overpasses wasn't shown and the curves are not as tight or sharp in CP. 4 - Don't forget that the lanes on the Meadowbrook are wider than on the JRP, probably because of it being built later in the 20th Century. 5 - I feel that the inclines and declines are more pronounced than the other two roads previously mentioned. I base my comments on the fact that I have been driving on them for about 45 years. Just my $ 0.02 |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 22 10:41:31 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Aug 22 10:21:25 2014. IAWTP. While some buses are on parkways (Bee Line, Academy, MTA, NICE), they require a special permit in most cases (Although I doubt the transit agencies are required, but charters like Academy do) and are only operated on small portions where they physically fit. 90% of the time however, parkway = no buses. JRP is a 100% no go for a bus. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 22 11:48:28 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 22 10:41:31 2014. An example of that practice are the LGA-JFK runs that have at times used short stretches of the GCP. NYC DOT issues that permit. Also,the MTA has had buses hop on and off the CIP to/from depot. But none of those are remotely as low as the ones western end of the JRP. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Aug 24 01:41:49 2014, in response to Re: The Q70 Extended, posted by Hart Bus on Fri Aug 22 10:21:25 2014. 1. The last time I rode the N88, I remember there was at least one overpass the bus had to fit under. For example, the overpass at Loop Parkway. |
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