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Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014

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Here is the list of routes are slated to get SBS...
M60 125th Street- LaGuardia Airport ... coming soon in Spring/Summer 2014

No timetable yet for these routes to be open for operation (estimated time frame 2015-2020)....

1. B46 Utica Avenue

2. M86 86th Street Crosstown

3. M14D 14th Street Crosstown

4. Q53 Woodhaven/Cross Bay Boulevard

5. Q44 Main Street-Jamaica Avenue

6. The new route...
Route B "?" from Bay Ridge, 86th Street-4th Avenue to JFK Airport... (do not know where it's travel path and it's not non-stop service)


There is "some" funding for all routes that mention in this post from New York Metropolitan Transportation Council.

Combine the current and future routes = 14. Short of 20 SBS routes from the current mayor's plan.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 21 19:11:58 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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B46 has bus lane sign posts installed near Rutland Road in both directions. I would expect bus priority (but not full SBS) by the end of the year.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Mar 21 20:05:48 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 21 19:11:58 2014.

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I agree, it should have been done when the B 44 SBS was proposed since there was an idea of bus priority between Eastern Pkwy and Av H alredy in the works

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 21 22:09:03 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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Q44 Select Bus Service?

Meh. It moves well enough already.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Mar 21 23:42:41 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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Q53 SBS....dare I say it?

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by JAzumah on Sat Mar 22 01:51:21 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Mar 21 22:09:03 2014.

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The point is to make success really easy. In the case of the M14D and M86, it will likely reduce the cost of running the route by 5-10%. The return on investment would be no longer than 4 years.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Mar 22 10:32:16 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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And the Bx1/Bx2 are not included. This line ought to be in the center of the GC to begin with. And if they can't do that, then truncate the line to run 'tween Fordham and north. What the Hell happens to these buses south of Fordham, especially coming north? Like a giant knot ensnares the entire Concourse. The waiting is extreme. And why only the Bx1 feeds W231 street, when both lines could and should do it. When n/b buses don't show, there are no s/b buses. And the crowds build up, the IRT #1 keeps dumping its passengers, and the crowds build even further.
So I walk to Ft Independence and what do I see? Bx1's on "short turns" going n/b and then heading south, empty, to some unknown pick up point, I imagine. Why?
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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Mar 22 12:59:57 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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With regard to the Q44SBS. The MTA needs to first revise and extend the Q44 Limited route east of Rosedale Avenue in the Bronx to take BX36 Limited stops and BX36 Limited routing to the George Washington Bus Terminal in Manhattan. (The BX36 Limited should be eliminated and increased BX36 local service be provided.) (The BX9 could be extended further west along the Cross Bronx Expressway to replace Q44 bus service to the few stops lost by the Q44 no longer serving those few stops and the BX9 be extended to Westchester Square via the Cross Bronx Expressway and Westchester Avenue.) Also alternate Q44 Limited buses could also travelto Fordham Plaza by being rerouted at Webster Avenue/East 180th Street to travel along Webster Avenue to/from Fordham Plaza.


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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat Mar 22 13:04:43 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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The B46, nice. I guess it'll start from Eastern Pkwy and head south. Although I am noticing more and more passengers are transferring between the A/C and the Kings Plaza B46. Still not as much as between the 3/4 and the B46.

Or even between the A/C and the B44......

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 22 13:45:40 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Mar 22 12:59:57 2014.

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The Q44 route has service irregularity due to traffic conditions and its' already long length. Extending it will only make matters worse.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 22 16:02:57 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 22 13:45:40 2014.

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Agreed. While I like the idea of connecting Jamaica, Flushing, The Bronx, and the GWBBT, it would have to be done with a new super limited.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 22 16:29:35 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 22 13:45:40 2014.

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Maybe they should focus on only Main St for SBS (a quick way from Flushing to Jamaica, the two "centers" of Queens, that would keep people from wanting to go via Jackson Heights (by subway). Then have a separate route start at Flushing for the Bronx, which could have a limited and local.

Are there lots of through riders on the Q44 who do not board / alight in Flushing?

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sat Mar 22 18:53:17 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Mar 22 10:32:16 2014.

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Some Bx2 buses do go to/from 231 St weekdays and Sundays

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Mar 22 19:15:09 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sat Mar 22 18:53:17 2014.

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Yeah, I know. I don't know what's the special deal with that? If the 2 can go there at those times, why not full time? The Bx1 Limited is already so "un-limited". Some of the original limited stops between Jerome Ave & Ft Indep have been de-limited, so to speak. Drivers stop when they aren't supposed to, and often the Bx2 passes the limited along the G.C.
Like I stated before there is a need for the added service at W231Street. Many riders, like myself, often walk to Ft Indep. to catch the Bx2.
And, btw, the Dept of Traffic (I suppose)needs to get a better control over the nightmare situation at B'way & W231 street, often called one of the worst & most dangerous intersections in the city. I love how they do "studies", inform the public about their findings, do nothing about it, and then rehash the same old study a year later. Typical of many "studies".
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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Sat Mar 22 20:40:05 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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About time - the Q53 needs artrics big time on that route -which means will the Q53 be switched too JFK

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 22 20:46:29 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat Mar 22 13:04:43 2014.

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It would not make sense for it to start at the Bridge, but I wouldn't put it past them to do the entire route.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Mar 22 22:11:15 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 22 16:02:57 2014.

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Correct.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 23 00:32:53 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Mar 22 20:46:29 2014.

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the street treatment wouldnt work above Eastern Pky..but "Reid Avenue" was already repaved with extended sidewalks in some sections from Broadway to Fulton st.

Between Atlantic and St Johns..Utica ave is horrible.

Broadway,from REID to Suydam is a potholed war zone harsh enough to break an axle.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 23 01:36:02 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Sat Mar 22 20:40:05 2014.

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The Q53 needs to be relieved by the.....

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sun Mar 23 02:37:42 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 23 01:36:02 2014.

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The Q-53 will be going back to LGA next year.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 23 04:01:59 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by JAzumah on Fri Mar 21 19:11:58 2014.

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Bus priority is really all the majority of NYC bus routes need.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 23 08:49:28 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 23 04:01:59 2014.

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That would be great. Just focus on one thing and stick with it.

To put a whole bunch of features on one route is NOT cost-effective (and therefore NYC's version of BRT is not cost-effective either). For example, take the combination of the reduction in stops and the on-street fare payment. Well, the on-street fare payment reduces dwell times in stops, but the number of stops has been reduced so the total dwell time savings per run is minimized.

Yes, fewer stops will mean a faster ride but the time savings is minimal now considering how many people at ex-limited, non-SBS stops are being left out in the cold.

Although I can see how the on-street fare payment can be expensive because of the machines needed.

Hopefully with whatever comes after MetroCard, the technology will allow one to board the bus with their card, pay on the bus at any door, even after the bus has left the stop, and be able to have their card checked at random to see if fare was paid. That would be real time-savings.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 23 09:13:18 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 23 08:49:28 2014.

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The MTA will only measure the time savings for the SBS bus, not for the riders. They will ignore the extra time former Limited riders will spend to make a trip because of their switch to the local.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 23 13:24:49 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 23 08:49:28 2014.

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Hopefully with whatever comes after MetroCard, the technology will allow one to board the bus with their card, pay on the bus at any door, even after the bus has left the stop, and be able to have their card checked at random to see if fare was paid. That would be real time-savings.

Sounds like SF Muni...

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Dan on Sun Mar 23 14:06:28 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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Bay Ridge to JFK? Absurdly long even with fewer stops. My guess is various local streets to near Pennsylvania Avenue then on the Belt Parkway right into the terminal areas. What section of Belt has the weight restriction?



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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by JAzumah on Sun Mar 23 15:00:34 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Dan on Sun Mar 23 14:06:28 2014.

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Flatbush Avenue to Rockaway Parkway.

A super limited could do it in 75-85 minutes. I would run it every 30 minutes to start.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 23 17:29:16 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Mar 23 09:13:18 2014.

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True indeed.

I'm still wondering what they were thinking by not including Myrtle avenue as a SBS station,since it is busier than the Flushing stop..the 54 being a full time very busy route,verse the 57 part time less busy status.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Mar 23 22:12:48 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 22 16:29:35 2014.

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Yes. A surprising number of people travel daily between Jamaica and the Bronx.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by G1RavagesDad on Sun Mar 23 22:30:11 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Mar 22 12:59:57 2014.

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Methinks you have your east and west confused. Your proposals would extend the Q44 limited service WEST, and extend the Bx9 EAST. I agree with other responders who have stated that the Q44 is a long enough route as is, and extending it would lead to more service issues.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Mar 24 02:04:03 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Mar 22 16:29:35 2014.

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You have to consider that there's already several routes that cover Flushing-Jamaica (Q17, Q20/Q44, Q25/34, Q65), but only one of those goes up into The Bronx (that route, of course being the Q44). By splitting the route at Flushing you're making it harder to travel between the Bronx, and areas south of Flushing.

I think easier Bronx-Jamaica access is more important than Queens-Fordham access (and definitely more important than extending it any further west of there), so any proposal involving splitting it at Flushing in order to extend it in The Bronx, I'd have to disagree with.

Now, the question is what should cover the local stops alongside the CBX. The Bx9 is long enough as is. You could create a local version of the Q44, but unless you run the local all the way to Flushing, the local won't have too many ridership generators. Maybe something going to Throgs Neck might work (at least it connects more residential areas to the 6). But where could it be routed without duplicating the Bx8/40/42?

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 24 05:15:37 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Mar 23 22:12:48 2014.

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I know a few people that live in the Bronx and take the Q44 Limited to go to Queens College.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by bx36ltd on Mon Mar 24 08:35:19 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Mar 22 12:59:57 2014.

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Why would u send the Q44 to fordham?? That would be a waste of time and money if ppl wanna get to queens from fordham thats is that the bx12 is for.....which takes u to the Q 50 . bringing the Q44 Would be a nighmare all that traffic na b keep it were it is

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by bx36ltd on Mon Mar 24 08:39:02 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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What happen to route X

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 11:06:07 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by bx36ltd on Mon Mar 24 08:39:02 2014.

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no route number is assigned, yet.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Mon Mar 24 13:29:09 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 11:06:07 2014.

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I'm sure some posters will have opinions on what that # should be and if not there would be a lot of pouting on this board.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 17:34:11 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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I suggest that the SBS lines be removed from the bus numbering system..and adopt the Subway letter bullets.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 24 19:12:37 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 23 17:29:16 2014.

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This is only a thought. They also omitted Gates initially. They wanted to encourage everyone to use the B38. I'm sure they intended to do the same for the B46 SBS. Make a stop only for the B38 and omit the B52 and 54. That would drive even more riders to the B38. Then they gradually beef up B38 service and begin to destroy service on the B52 and B54. When ridership and service get really light on those routes, they first eliminate weekend service, then discontinue those routes entirely. Fewer routes, lower deficits.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 24 19:24:25 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 23 00:32:53 2014.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 21:04:22 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 17:34:11 2014.

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why?

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:12:51 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 21:04:22 2014.

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IF the concept of SBS is "a subway line on the surface..",why not separate it from the local bus route..give it its own BULLET,say something like "NX NOSTRAND TO KNAPP ST" or NX ROGERS/BEDFORD TO BRIDGE PLZ."
The 46 would be the "MU UTICA AVE TO KINGS PLZ or MU UTICA AVE TO BRIDGE PLZ." BX41-WH WEBSTER AVE TO THE HUB 3RD AVE'..S79-HM SI MALL VIA HYLAND BLVD.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 23:13:56 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:12:51 2014.

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how about, no.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:17:05 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 24 19:12:37 2014.

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54/52 service cannot by any mean be discontinued.
if anything,the 54 should be beefed up to a combined 54/55 Myrtle ave route...with SBS SERVICE from 168th to Jay st.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:18:36 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Mar 24 23:13:56 2014.

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hows about,you take it exactly as it was suggested..
AS A SUGGESTION...and a answer to your question.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:19:51 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Mar 24 19:24:25 2014.

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you know its the truth..fantastic.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Mar 25 03:14:03 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:18:36 2014.

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your suggestion is not very good.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 03:46:28 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Mar 25 03:14:03 2014.

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it doesn't matter if you agree or not.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 25 10:12:22 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:12:51 2014.

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I really don't see the point of doing that. It is not a subway. It is still a bus.

When you are in the subway system you have to take a train. When you are waiting for an SBS, you can still change your mind and take a local bus. That's why I don't agree with you.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by fset on Tue Mar 25 10:16:41 2014, in response to Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 21 18:16:43 2014.

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An M14D-SBS ?? How many stops could it possibly skip? What, Ave C & E14, Ave B, Ave A, 3 Ave, 5, 6, 7 ??
I hope they dont take a parking lane away.
It's a slow-go, due to traffic.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Mar 25 11:34:18 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 03:46:28 2014.

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good, i dont agree with you at all.

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Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 25 12:41:39 2014, in response to Re: Next 7 Select Bus Service routes, coming soon... including 1 newly created route, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 23:17:05 2014.

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Didn't say it should. Just think that was their long range plan. They look at a map and see all those routes spaced close together in Bed Stuy and say, "Why do we need all those routes?"

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