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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 17:44:56 2013, in response to ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:34:59 2013. Well, if I were them, I would only repower their Orion VII OG hybrids. They should send the NGs back to NYCT and them more 2006 and 2007 OG hybrids in exchange. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:51:39 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 17:44:56 2013. No. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:02:51 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:51:39 2013. Why not? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:06:27 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:02:51 2013. Because, MTA Bus Company is getting out of hybrids SOON! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:15:12 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:06:27 2013. I know, I was just saying that MTA bus should send NYCT their 105 NG hybrids and in exchange, NYCT send Bus company 105 newer OG hybrids to repower as well. Wouldn't seem weird that when everything is eventually merged and their are 105 odd ball NG diesels that are not even in the same series? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:18:20 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:15:12 2013. No. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:19:14 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:18:20 2013. Yes it would. I would not be surprised if this happens. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jul 25 18:23:31 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:19:14 2013. They never should have boughr hybrids to begin with. I wonder how much if any research was done before they bought them or if they just did it because it was a GREEN thing. Now going to spend more money to convert to diesel.M Money T Thrown A Away |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:24:46 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:19:14 2013. NO ! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:25:45 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jul 25 18:23:31 2013. WMATA seems to be doing well with their Hybrids. In fact, I believe they and Baltimore MTA are the only major TAs to be ordering new Hybrids at this time (WMATA's 654 new NABI BRT 42 order from the other day). |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:26:23 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:24:46 2013. Stop being stupid. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:30:18 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:26:23 2013. Stop denial when I wrote...NO ! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:31:21 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:25:45 2013. They are different then NY MTA in terms of maintenance and duty cycle. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:33:09 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by fishbowls4ever on Thu Jul 25 18:23:31 2013. and they waste a lot of time ignoring the study in early 2000s when hybrids can only perform well during heavy traffic conditions with regenerative breaking. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jul 25 18:45:31 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:33:09 2013. Haha good Hycraps smh. Good convert them. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jul 25 19:22:25 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:31:21 2013. Any idea when the conversions will start? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 19:23:00 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Thu Jul 25 19:22:25 2013. I guess when there's enough RTS's in for bus company. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Jul 25 19:51:29 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:19:14 2013. It's not going to happen because you are not running the place and senior management has announced what they're going to do! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jul 25 19:51:41 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 17:44:56 2013. I don't believe they can transfer MTA Bus vehicles to NYCT if they were purchased with Federal funds. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 25 19:54:49 2013, in response to ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:34:59 2013. YES!!! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 19:55:24 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jul 25 19:51:41 2013. They did with the MCIs for a while. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jul 25 20:03:46 2013, in response to ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:34:59 2013. What is the cost premium for a hybrid bus over a diesel? I've seen before estimated at approximately $150,000 per bus. If so, then buying these 390 buses as hybrids and now converting them to diesel ends up costing $110 million more than if they had just bought diesels in the first place. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Jul 25 21:31:16 2013, in response to ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:34:59 2013. I said it when they came in. Piece of shit, now walk away! |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 21:56:29 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jul 25 20:03:46 2013. If it's mta bus line not being ideal for a hybrid, why not swap their hybrids for NYCT's diesel buses? Give MTA bus all the diesel o5s and send the hybrids to CS and SI (or displace some NGs to SI). |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 21:58:37 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 21:56:29 2013. You dont want to do that, it will kill the average fleet age. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 21:59:29 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by TheHat on Thu Jul 25 21:31:16 2013. Not that I liked those buses, but Manhattan's stop and go traffic is where the hybrids are better suited to run than in Queens where there isn't as much traffic outside of the major hubs like Flushing or Jamaica. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 22:17:25 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 21:58:37 2013. It'd be cheaper than converting a bunch of hybrids to diesels. If it made them feel better, then send the 'newer' rtss then. When it comes time to retire those diesel buses, then MTA bus can get their share of the new local bus order.Spending the money to convert the buses is a waste, why not just buy new buses then? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:27:57 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 22:17:25 2013. Because these buses are still new themselves. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:28:08 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 22:17:25 2013. How new is the RTS buses?it is a waste of money but they are saving money but not maintaining the expensive hyshit equipment. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:29:35 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 22:28:08 2013. I'm just wondering when are they going to repower the CNGs. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jul 25 22:47:20 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:29:35 2013. Why go through the expense since they have sufficient depots to handle the CNG buses and they have not proven to have the reliability issues that the Hybrids have had? If you look at cost and MPG, CNG is actually the lowest operating cost. The only thing holding it back is the expense of converting additional depots to handle CNG technology |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 26 00:27:52 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by RailBus63 on Thu Jul 25 19:51:41 2013. The 3200s went to Staten Island for a while until the 4300s and 2200s went into service. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 26 00:34:04 2013, in response to ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 17:34:59 2013. Why do I get the feeling that MTA Bus Company is having trouble maintaining the hybrid components? NYCT had a steep learning curve in the beginning to maintain the hybrids. Is MTA Bus having the same issues now? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jul 26 00:41:54 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 25 18:33:09 2013. I dunno...is it the type of hybrid technology (series vs parallel) that's really the issue here, where perhaps for MTA Bus they should've received parallel hybrid systems? It seems strange that there are so many issues with "high speed operation" for MTA yet other systems like WMATA, B-more MTA, and SEPTA have been ordering parallel hybrid buses for routes serving the entire service area, including suburban areas. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 26 00:55:16 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jul 26 00:41:54 2013. it was series drive. The study was conducted by MTA, FTA, EPA, and other people. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 26 09:17:05 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 22:29:35 2013. The MTA has no plans to repower the CNG's. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 26 09:21:41 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by JAzumah on Fri Jul 26 00:27:52 2013. That was a temporary move involving a handful of buses. Moving 390 buses would be a different story. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 26 09:22:41 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by grand concourse on Thu Jul 25 21:56:29 2013. As I explained in another post, you can't do that. The MTA Bus hybrids were purchased using Federal funds and must be used on these services. 'Regional Bus' may oversee both NYCT and MTAB operations, but the FTA considers them separate and it is highly unlikely that they would allow those newer buses to be shifted elsewhere for other services and replaced with older buses. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 26 09:25:43 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:19:14 2013. Repeating the same point over and over does not make it any more likely to happen. These buses belong to MTA Bus, not NYCT. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 12:16:36 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 26 09:25:43 2013. But come 2018-2019, this shit will happen anyway, so does it really matter? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Jul 26 12:25:38 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Thu Jul 25 18:25:45 2013. King County Metro is still receiving and will continue receiving hybrids, there's quite a number of Rapid Ride DE60LFRs to be delivered, in addition to XDE40s and XDE60s which should be coming either later this year or early next year. The only non-hybrid bus purchase Metro will undergo will be the New Flyer ETBs that they just awarded the contract for.--Dr. C |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 26 12:39:01 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 12:16:36 2013. Does it really matter that you ignore some people's explanation why your thoughts transferring NYCT and MTA bus Orion VII hybrids vice-versa will never work out? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 12:47:24 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Jul 26 12:25:38 2013. What is a New Flyer ETB? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 26 12:50:51 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 12:47:24 2013. Electric Trolley Bus |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 13:00:21 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 26 12:50:51 2013. Thank you? :0 |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 26 13:43:16 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jul 25 22:47:20 2013. Couldn't the MTA get a gas supplier to build CNG fueling stations and then pay a little more for the gas? |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 26 13:48:04 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 26 13:43:16 2013. In reality, no. CNG fueling facilities is very expensive to built. |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Jul 26 14:09:56 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Jul 26 12:25:38 2013. Correction: It's XDE35s and XDE40s (source: New Flyer)... |
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Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Fri Jul 26 14:12:27 2013, in response to Re: ALL 389 MTA Bus Company's Orion VII hybrids to be converted/re-powered to DIESEL fuel only, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 26 12:47:24 2013. Taken from New Flyer website: New Flyer Electric Trolley Bus Pictured is Translink/CMBC's E40LF (2101 is an E40LF despite the styling; 2102 and up are E40LFRs) |
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