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How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012 Just wondering when the NY MTA workhorse will be gone. |
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Posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012, in response to How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012. If MTA follows its standard policy then the 4900-5249 batch (1999) should be all retired by 2014 at the latest...however, with the need to mass retire the 5200-5400 series D60HFs, CNG and Diesel Orions, and the rest of the 8750-9699 batch, they may make it to 2016 or 2017. |
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Posted by sinclair on Sat May 26 10:25:40 2012, in response to How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012. I'll give it until 2015-16 compilation. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 26 11:47:58 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012. And what of the talk about the MTA getting a test fleet of MTS-built RTSs? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 12:07:07 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 26 11:47:58 2012. MTS still has to get the factory up and running (according to the financial review agency Dun & Bradstreet, Millennium still only has 8 employees), then build a few demos and presumably send a bus to the Altoona testing center. If past experience is any guide, the MTA will likely hold off on committing to buy even an evaluation fleet until the Altoona shaker test results are satisfactory. |
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Posted by caine515 on Sat May 26 12:28:52 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 12:07:07 2012. UP,GA,FLA,ENY,FP,QV,JA,126th and MJQ still have RTS buses(NOVABUS models) that recently got upgrades so those models aren't going anywhere. I'm guessing the ones assigned to LGA,Eastchester and JFK will get scrapped/retired first but it's a question as what MTA BUS gets to replace them.B1-#5076-NOVABUS S53-#7074-Orion 3G |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat May 26 12:59:26 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by caine515 on Sat May 26 12:28:52 2012. Wat kind of upgrades were done to them??? |
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Posted by mike nash on Sat May 26 13:12:40 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Bx36Ltd on Sat May 26 12:59:26 2012. artics to jfk/bp, bp/jfk send hibrids lga |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 15:57:37 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012. I was guessing somewhere around 2015. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 26 16:54:41 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012. The MTA is rehabbing that batch at this time; I would probably say now that they could be here until 2018. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 17:06:31 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 26 16:54:41 2012. What work is involved in the rehab program? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat May 26 17:42:30 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by mike nash on Sat May 26 13:12:40 2012. More JUNK to LGA? No thanks!!! |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat May 26 17:55:07 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 26 11:47:58 2012. Honestly we should have received a demo bus already. It does not take that long to build a demo bus. Until I see an ACTUAL demo then I have to say that this whole MTS RTS bus is a giant fluke. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun May 27 09:52:27 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012. I wonder if they might save 5249 as it is the highest number of the batch. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 10:25:05 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sun May 27 09:52:27 2012. I wonder if they might save 5249 as it is the highest number of the batchThey might do like they did with the New Looks and save the ceremonial last bus to be in service. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun May 27 13:26:17 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 10:25:05 2012. Well maybe it will be 5249. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 14:24:29 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by LRG5784 on Sat May 26 17:55:07 2012. Honestly we should have received a demo bus already. It does not take that long to build a demo busIt doesn't seem like they've hired workers yet. Maybe one of the folks who are 'in the know' can tell us if they have. |
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Posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 15:15:16 2012, in response to How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012. 4900-5249 are having their rear bulkheads overhauled, components replaced, and suspension work done. These buses will be around until 2018.I dont know where these rumors of buses being retired at 12 years keeps coming from because its not true. All of the Orion VII OG CNG's are being overhauled and repowered, and will have their life extended well beyond 12 years also. As far as MTS goes, most of their new employees will likely come from Daimler, and they are already in talks about it. Several Orion employees have already contacted MTS about new positions which will become available late this summer, early fall. @ LRG - I don't provide fluke information, and I never have. I have executive contacts at every major manufacturer except Gillig. (Totally not interested in their trash) the MTA demo is already on the assebly line just so you know. Every single MTA bus project is delayed right now. No exception for the RTS. Also, just so you know, MTA already stated they want the bus, and provided the delivery information to MTS already. They already stated exactly how they want the buses built, they sent MTS the final specs to MTS already as well. So, let's just wait and see. MTA already spoke, now it's up to MTS to get it done. |
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Posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 15:39:24 2012, in response to How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012. 4900-5249 are having their rear bulkheads overhauled, components replaced, and suspension work done. These buses will be around until 2018.I dont know where these rumors of buses being retired at 12 years keeps coming from because its not true. All of the Orion VII OG CNG's are being overhauled and repowered, and will have their life extended well beyond 12 years also. As far as MTS goes, most of their new employees will likely come from Daimler, and they are already in talks about it. Several Orion employees have already contacted MTS about new positions which will become available late this summer, early fall. @ LRG - I don't provide fluke information, and I never have. I have executive contacts at every major manufacturer except Gillig. (Totally not interested in their trash) the MTA demo is already on the assebly line just so you know. Every single MTA bus project is delayed right now. No exception for the RTS. Also, just so you know, MTA already stated they want the bus, and provided the delivery information to MTS already. They already stated exactly how they want the buses built, they sent MTS the final specs to MTS already as well. So, let's just wait and see. MTA already spoke, now it's up to MTS to get it done. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 17:30:57 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 15:15:16 2012. I dont know where these rumors of buses being retired at 12 years keeps coming from because its not true.Actually, some of the MTA board documents and capital program documents have made reference to the authority wanting to get the bus replacement cycles to match the 12-year life expectancy, but they do not state this will definitely happen. |
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Posted by Bx36Ltd on Sun May 27 17:32:58 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 15:15:16 2012. It would be nice if they sent them back to KB |
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Posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 19:35:24 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 17:30:57 2012. That is true, but I don't know what happened as it has yet to be implemented. And with the CNG repowering now confirmed, it seems that the D60HF's are the only buses being retired anywhere near the 12 year mark. |
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Posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 19:48:01 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Bx36Ltd on Sun May 27 17:32:58 2012. Yeah, KB doesnt want them anymore. Many of the older driver love them, but they are high floors and get beat to hell in KB. Some of those Nova's are horrible when it comes to kneeling. If the bus is crush loaded, they have a problem raising back up. You can run the things for 20 plus years, but after you pass the 15-16 year mark, you absolutely have to keep up maintenence on all the suspension components. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 27 21:29:58 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 19:35:24 2012. Those D60HFs, however, were maintenance headaches; I can't blame the MTA there.The older C40LFs are also being retired; however, at least two have shown up in private ownership, including one in Brownsville. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 27 22:28:33 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by BedStuyGuy on Sun May 27 15:15:16 2012. I just need to see results, that's all. No offense. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Sun May 27 22:31:59 2012, in response to How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by busdude2 on Sat May 26 07:17:55 2012. Before I retired they gave me a RTS I got in and jumped off. I though the crate was in a accicent of sorts. With knockles on the windshield etc. I could NOT believe this dinasaur. Good RIDDENS ! |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 27 22:33:33 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by B68 slow poke on Sun May 27 22:31:59 2012. What's your favorite bus to drive? |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Sun May 27 22:40:14 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun May 27 22:33:33 2012. Lol! forget too many wheels...Kawasaki VULCAN 903 CC. |
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Posted by futurekbarticop on Tue May 29 11:11:01 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by RailBus63 on Sun May 27 17:30:57 2012. I don't understand why buses are being made to last 18-20yrs anymore? |
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Posted by futurekbarticop on Tue May 29 11:20:24 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Nabinut on Sat May 26 09:22:13 2012. What's the big hurry to retire the buses from the 5250-5509 batch. Those buses are very strong. As an operator I'd rather drive those than an LFSA anyday based on the Big Bus Driver's reviews and my personal operational of an 8000 |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue May 29 11:36:33 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun May 27 21:29:58 2012. That's interesting, question I have is where can they buy the CNG fuel that those buses run on ? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue May 29 12:24:12 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by futurekbarticop on Tue May 29 11:11:01 2012. The simple answer is that it's because the Feds have provided capital funding for replacement buses once a fleet reaches 12 years of age. As we've seen in many cities, most heavy-duty bus models can be made to last 15 to 18 years with periodic overhauls and proper maintenance. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 29 22:03:30 2012, in response to Re: How long before MTA RTS's are all gone ?, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue May 29 11:36:33 2012. Probably most of the same place CNG consumer cars can go... This map is useful. |
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