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"Bus Test Fleets", MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Mar 27 23:10:40 2011 I think this is an important post. It is on the video at the MTA website: [ click here ], choose 03/21/2011 CPOC Meeting - 1:45 PM video in Windows Media Player. That video will be deleted in less then a year. So, this post is just for information archive on the web, anyway.... some important info on the presentation......Slide 1: Goals___________________________________________ Test different fleets of buses to create competition for new bus purchases in order to deliver better performing buses at the lowest cost. Key test program [____] include: - Reliability - Fuel economy - Maintainability - Vendor support - Product deliveries & quality Darryl Irick (MTA’s Department of Buses): "Bus Test Fleets”, Our goals. The current capital cycle were requires that to procure approximately 2,300 buses. So to achieve that we found advantages to try to test as many fleets and manufactures as possible. Different bus types, fleets and manufactures. The key areas that we be looking at is: Reliability – which is MDBF (Means Distance Between Failures), Fuel economy, The ability to maintain a bus, Vender support, and the manufacture ability to deliver the product, timely and with quality." Slide 2: Implementation___________________________________________ Procure seven test fleets of 90 buses each: - Three different fleets of standard diesel buses - Two different fleet of articulated buses - One fleet of express buses - One fleet of turbine buses as an alternative propulsion system by a manufacture. Darryl: “Our basic implementation scheme... is that we... to procure 7 test fleets, and 90 buses each. 3 different types of standard buses (40 foot) that are clean diesel, low-floor buses, and a head-to-head comparison in which we going to take 3 depots and put the…each one of these fleets will be 90 buses. So, what we gonna do is to take 3 of these fleets put 30 buses of each and 3 different depots. Is that right, Henry?” Slide 3: STATUS___________________________________________ Standard Diesel Buses Nova (Nova LFS, 40 footer low floor, clean diesel bus) - Awarded December 2010 - The pilot bus is expected to be delivered in March 2011 and the last bus is expected to be delivered by June 2011. Darryl: "What we have is Nova. This project is awarded at the end of last year. Currently, we like... we happy to say that... have 3 buses that been delivered through us, thus far. There in pre-inspection period right now. This is the low-floor bus, 40 foot. Currently they make the articulated buses you see on the SBS (Select Bus Service)." Slide 4: STATUS___________________________________________ Standard Diesel Buses Daimler (Orion) (Orion VII EPA10, 40 footer low floor, clean diesel bus) - Awarded in March 2011 - The pilot bus is expected to be delivered in September 2011 and the last bus is expected to be delivered by December 2011. Darryl: "Next bus is Daimler, aka Orion… This bus is expected to be awarded this month. The bus if we... if that works for us, we should have the buses delivered by the end of the year." Slide 5: STATUS___________________________________________ Standard Diesel Buses New Flyer (New Flyer XD40LF "Xcelsior", 40 footer low floor, clean diesel bus) - Award in March 2011. - The pilot bus is expected to be delivered in July 2011 and the last bus is expected to be delivered by December 2011. Darryl: "New Flyer. This is also expected to be awarded this month. First buses to be expected to be delivered in July, with the ending of December. Just a little but about New Flyer, New Flyer is the manufacture of the current articulated buses with the exception of the SBS. So this is the first time we are entering into agreement with New Flyer on standard buses." Slide 6: STATUS___________________________________________ Artic Buses Nova (Nova LFS articulated, 60 footer low floor, clean diesel bus) (can't read due to the screen quality bad) Awarded back 2009 Results: MDBF performed double then New Flyer D60HF, 25% better fuel economy then New Flyer D60HF. Working with Nova on a 328 articulated bus order contract in June. Darryl: "What we have is our SBS fleet made by Nova…. The project was awarded back in 2009. The results have been very impressive with the bus. The infinite MDBF results compare to infinite results of the New Flyer... has been extremely good. We have double the amount... fuel economy is up 25 percent versus the rest of the articulated fleet and with any luck. We are looking to proceed of procurement of 328 of these buses in the near future and that would replace our current (year) 2000 fleet and all of the residual 1998 fleet." Slide 7: STATUS___________________________________________ Artic Buses New Flyer (New Flyer XD60LF "Xcelsior" articulated, 60 footer low floor, clean diesel bus) (can't read due to the screen quality bad) Darryl: "Here we have the New Flyer fleet, we are looking to get board approval in June. Currently the bus is on the shaker table, if it in fact... passes the shaker table, we look to enter the agreement with New Flyer. Like I said before, New Flyer is the manufacture of the current artic fleet that we have in the Bronx and Manhattan. Henry, can you gives us on the update of the shaker table and just let the folks... what’s that about?” Slide 8: STATUS___________________________________________ Express buses Prevost (Prevost Car X3-45, 45 footer commuter, clean diesel bus) - Awarded in January 2011 - The pilot bus is expected to be delivered in July 2011 and the last bus is expected to be delivered by January 2012. Daryl: "To satisfy our commuter coach and the needs. We are looking at Prevost. We never brought a bus from Prevost before, not the commuter coach. Our, you know…The only vender that we dealt in the past is been MCI, so we are excited to drum up some competition. The project was awarded in January of this year. The pilot is expected to be delivered be July, the last bus being a early next year, end of this year…early next year." Slide 9: STATUS___________________________________________ Turbine buses DesignLine [ CANCELED ORDER ] {Unreadable video screen} Daryl: "As I spoke before, we were very excited on this new technology bus, DesignLine. It’s a turbine bus and I’m quite sure, many of you seen this bus. We ran them in Manhattan…Unfortunately, DesignLine could not... how would you say, delivered to ‘primetime’. They try several integrations of their propulsion systems, we worked with them constantly however, it did not workout. So, we recently ceased and desist that contract and the good story is… It proved and validated our test and evaluation process and we were able to retrieve $4.2 million dollars on that." Slide 10 final slide: Next Steps:_______________________________________________________________ - Award and evaluate all remaining test fleets - Continue to solicit the participation of other manufactures - Apply “lesson learned” and expand competition on future bus procurements. - Explore new technologies, such as a full electric bus. Daryl: "So, our next steps is to...- Award and evaluate all remaining test fleets. - Continue to solicit the participation of other manufactures. - Apply “lesson learned” and expand competition on future bus procurements. - Explore new technologies, such as a full electric bus. And that concludes.” [END] |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Mon Mar 28 07:57:21 2011, in response to "Bus Test Fleets", MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Mar 27 23:10:40 2011. jay walder just bullshitting as usual. otherwise very interesting and thanks for posting. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Mar 28 09:07:01 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by MCI GUY on Mon Mar 28 07:57:21 2011. That 'bullshitting' is what most people on this board want to see - the MTA giving other bus manufacturers a shot at future business. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 28 16:20:02 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by RailBus63 on Mon Mar 28 09:07:01 2011. what about giving NABI a shot?or Gillig?..or MTS LOWFLOOR RTS? |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by orionviidieselbus on Mon Mar 28 23:05:07 2011, in response to "Bus Test Fleets", MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by gOlD_12tH on Sun Mar 27 23:10:40 2011. MTA should try to get 90 NABI 40-LFW, 90 Gillig Low Floor and 90 Eldorado National "Axess" 40ft Low Floor buses.They could try getting 90 Proterra Ecoliner buses and tell them to make a 40ft Low Floor version since they offer 35ft only. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Mon Mar 28 23:22:57 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Mon Mar 28 23:05:07 2011. You getting a little bit crazy there. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Mar 28 23:47:52 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 28 16:20:02 2011. Gillig sucks hot ass. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 08:00:22 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Mon Mar 28 23:05:07 2011. yea mta dont care for those manufacturers. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 29 08:59:40 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 08:00:22 2011. That may no longer be true - Walder's management team is willing to look at different bus manufacturers. I doubt Gillig has much interest in working with the MTA, but I could see NABI stepping up. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 19:58:18 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 29 08:59:40 2011. does nabi make a low floor bus. any other co besides mci and the ones already ordered would have to be prequalified and this is a long arduous process with the mta. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Mar 29 20:11:17 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 19:58:18 2011. Yes. NABI makes low floor buses. The NABI 40-LFW.It's the backbone of the Los Angeles MTA fleet and can also be found in large numbers at PACE in Illinois, MBTA in Massachusetts, Miami-Dade Transit in Florida, Broward County Transit in Florida, Valley Metro in Arizona, RTC of Southern Nevada (Las Vegas), AC Transit in California, Cleveland RTA in Ohio, etc. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Tue Mar 29 20:24:51 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 19:58:18 2011. They do... NABI 40-LFW, go to Westchester. They order 95 buses (hyshit) back in 09.... |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by orionviidieselbus on Tue Mar 29 21:20:25 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by TonyG on Tue Mar 29 20:11:17 2011. They also make NABI Metro 45 (45ft Low Floor) in which LACMTA (Los Angeles) and Valley Metro has.NABI 45C [img src="http://thebergennetwork.com/special/2008-10-07/nabi05.jpg"] They as well make the NABI 60-BRT Artic bus [img src="http://www.ngvglobal.com/images/stories/vehicles/NABI%2060ft%20BRT%20-%20CNG%20Powered.jpg"] |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by orionviidieselbus on Tue Mar 29 21:21:18 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Tue Mar 29 21:20:25 2011. Opps, I posted the links the IMG the wrong way. Not very good with HTML on the site here. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 29 21:42:46 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 29 08:59:40 2011. This may well be a Rule of Three in effect---qualify a minimum of 3 vendors to compete for orders. If Walder wants to reconsider NABI, that could only help.At the same time, the MTA should not want to get too much variety, because that could drive up fleet maintenance. But that the Nova LFS buses have been performing so well is a pleasant surprise. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Wed Mar 30 07:41:24 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Tue Mar 29 21:21:18 2011. theres still the problem of them being qualified by mta which precludes them from being ordered by mta at this time. only one left is mci or is mta through with them for the forseeable future. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by orionviidieselbus on Fri Apr 1 12:35:51 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by MCI GUY on Tue Mar 29 19:58:18 2011. I'm hearing rumors now that today MTA get two NABI 416 from NJT and One Beeline NABI 40-LFW leased from Bee-line" over on NYCTF.Look here: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28170 I don't belive it one bit, but anything could happen but this is unusual. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by orionviidieselbus on Fri Apr 1 12:36:38 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Fri Apr 1 12:35:51 2011. Oh wait a min..this is a april fools joke I think. The poster is spreading lies. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Apr 1 13:00:06 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Fri Apr 1 12:36:38 2011. you never thought of that???? NYCTF unreliable on certain times. |
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Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures) |
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Posted by MCI GUY on Fri Apr 1 15:26:31 2011, in response to Re: ''Bus Test Fleets'', MTA Department of Buses, presentation & transcript (screen captures), posted by orionviidieselbus on Fri Apr 1 12:35:51 2011. someone may be foaming excessively. |
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