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Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010

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So found out a few minutes ago, the order has had modification, the C40LF order is coming in as C40LFRs after all! New Flyer is pushing an extra cost for the old face and the MTA is not paying for the extra cost!

WHOOHOO!!!!!! New Flyer C40LFR CNG Low Floors!




-Trevor




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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Oct 11 19:25:31 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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Nice! Can't wait to see them in SC & JG!

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Oct 11 19:29:46 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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Why isn't the Xcelsior getting any love from any transit agency?

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Mon Oct 11 19:53:44 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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Cool! Can't wait to see them in JG Depot.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Oct 11 20:08:23 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Oct 11 19:29:46 2010.

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I'm pretty sure they are. One agency in Canada has them for its ZUM service, I think another (Manitoba?) is trying to get an articulated version somehow, and I keep hearing rumors about WMATA/MTA/SEPTA getting a batch of hybrids well. That's all they are for the latter agencies, though...rumors.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Oct 11 20:24:46 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Oct 11 19:29:46 2010.

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Fresno and San Bernardino, CA have ordered 60' CNG Xcelsiors and MARTA has ordered 40' CNG examples.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Oct 11 20:37:55 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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Can someone tell me from the unreliable NYC Transit Forum thread which they seem to enjoy too much on this upcoming order; quote: "The C40LFR, was not approved for structural reasons, and would need to go through extensive testing before the MTA would go with that model."
Is it BS?

Anyway, It still be C40LF. Many of transit agencies that order "LFR"s... in their builder plates, its "LF" without the R at the end.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 20:45:10 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Oct 11 20:37:55 2010.

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I'm sorry thats a load of bull. The LFR structually is the same as the LF except the frame in the face area. The LFR is mostly just new skin. Any OLD face Low Floors coming off the production line now are buses that were ordered BEFORE December 2009. Anything ordered after December 2009 is either the Restyled, Advanced BRT or Xcelsior styles.

But this information about the NYMTA is coming straight from New Flyer. So if anyone would be correct about this order it would be the people building the buses. So, me personally, I'm happy we're getting the LFR style and not the original LF style.


-Trevor

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 09:18:50 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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LOL you've been WRONG about this order so many times already and changed your tune so many times already...I LOL @ everyone who believes you every time you post something only for that something to change days later.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Mac5689 on Tue Oct 12 11:34:58 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 09:18:50 2010.

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Thats how life works, dude. Things change from day to day and second by second, just because he says something is going to happen and then it changes doesn't mean that he he is wrong.

What the problem is, i think, is that ur mad he has a way to find out this info and shares it with us and you don't.

You are the number one killjoy, in my opinion, on this site.

You have me LOL because you question rionOne when he posts info about bus orders and what not, and call him a liar, but i have been posting stuff about Suffolk Transit for the last, like two weeks, and not once have you questioned me about what i post or call me a liar.

In my opinion, you should be banned from this site.



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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 12:14:07 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Mac5689 on Tue Oct 12 11:34:58 2010.

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just because he says something is going to happen and then it changes doesn't mean that he he is wrong.

Yes it most certainly does. If you know something could change, then note that when you post the information. Also note how good the info is, how much you trust the info, if the person you got the info from is reliable, etc. Don't post like you know what's going on. Post like you heard something that may or may not be true and that may or may not happen.



i have been posting stuff about Suffolk Transit for the last, like two weeks, and not once have you questioned me about what i post or call me a liar.

I don't follow your posts or Suffolk Transit issues in general. I have no idea if you are right or wrong. Why would I comment on your posts then? Also, AFAIK, you've never posted lies here. Whereas he has. Many times. He's also made antisemitic comments.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 12:16:46 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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As someone who doesn't follow buses that closely, could you perhaps illustrate the differences?

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 12:26:00 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 12:16:46 2010.

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As someone who doesn't follow buses that closely, could you perhaps illustrate the differences?

Google Images has plenty of examples of both. What you need to do is do a search, one a time, and then compare and contrast.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Mac5689 on Tue Oct 12 13:25:17 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 12:14:07 2010.

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Just because a source is reliable doesn't mean that the information they know won't change at a later date.

I've posted stuff on here, that i heard from people i believe are reliable, and yet i have no way of telling if they were/are 100% correct or reliable. But i post what i hear anyway, because thats what i believe is correct at the time.



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Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by rionOne on Tue Oct 12 13:44:46 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 12:16:46 2010.

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LF Model


LFR Model


LFA Model


Xcelsior Model

Peter McLaughlin Photo



-Trevor
www.ttmg.org

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Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by rionOne on Tue Oct 12 13:45:09 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 12:16:46 2010.

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LF Model


LFR Model


LFA Model


Xcelsior Model

Peter McLaughlin Photo



-Trevor
www.ttmg.org

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Re: Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 14:20:57 2010, in response to Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Tue Oct 12 13:45:09 2010.

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So the primary difference is the more streamlined appearance of the R and A models...thanks!

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Re: Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by rionOne on Tue Oct 12 14:25:38 2010, in response to Re: Compare and Contrast...Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Oct 12 14:20:57 2010.

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Pretty Much.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Oct 12 14:50:48 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 12 09:18:50 2010.

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Well, this makes sense though. New Flyer "officially" discontinued the LF line quite a while ago. IMO, it would have been incredibly dumb of the MTA to go get the original LF design considering that:

a) These new buses are replacing the old ones, so parts compatibility really isn't that necessary

b) They run a fleet of modern looking Orion VII NGs and Novabus LFSs, so why, pray tell, would they buy new buses that look like they were built in the mid 1990s?

Things change from time to time, though...no need to beat up on people, especially if the people reporting the news aren't the people making the decision.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Oct 12 20:38:30 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 20:45:10 2010.

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My thoughts exactly. That guy from NYC Transit forum must have some very bad info. Well, most of the information over that site is pretty much a joke.

My only negative on the LFR on the bus is the front doors that looked like RTS doors if MTA chooses it. and also hoping they choose frameless windows.

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Oct 12 20:40:35 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Mac5689 on Tue Oct 12 13:25:17 2010.

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why bother explain to that self-proclaim anti-semite douche bag?

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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Mac5689 on Tue Oct 12 22:09:58 2010, in response to Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Oct 12 20:40:35 2010.

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yeah i know, i keep reminding myself not to reply to his posts, but then he says something and i forget not to reply to it.



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Re: Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order

Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 13 21:50:43 2010, in response to Update & Change to NYMTA New Flyer C40LF Order, posted by rionOne on Mon Oct 11 19:20:59 2010.

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Sounds good. Can't wait to see something new on the roads.

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