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Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010

From a 1950s street atlas:





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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by B53RICH on Sun Sep 19 17:40:35 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

Interesting, the B24 had some service extended from Queens Blvd. onto Roosevelt Ave. terminating at 61 Street (Woodside LIRR station).

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes (2) - 1950s

Posted by vfrt on Sun Sep 19 17:51:45 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

From the same street atlas: car lines and trolley coaches:



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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 19 17:56:01 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

In those days wasn't todays Q58 known as the B58?

It is was, it is not listed.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by B53RICH on Sun Sep 19 18:03:50 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 19 17:56:01 2010.

The Q58 was the B58 until 1989. You are right, it's missing from the list, unless it was still some type of trolley/trolley bus route.


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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by B49 Limited on Mon Sep 20 00:28:45 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by B53RICH on Sun Sep 19 17:40:35 2010.

Yeah it is interesting also because I always felt that a Q 32 or B 24 branch via Roosevelt or combo Q 104 makes sense .. So it makes me wonder, why was it was cut in Queens? I know that the current B 24 is a combination of discontinued routes. Does anyone know how the Williamburg - BQE - 48 St comes to form and what year did the new B 24 started?

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by wzlirr on Mon Sep 20 01:35:43 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by B49 Limited on Mon Sep 20 00:28:45 2010.

For the B-5 (Kings Hway) it reads 26 Street, instead of 26 AVENUE....typo!!!!

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by Westcode44 on Mon Sep 20 09:46:09 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

WOW I never knew the B64 terminated at 83rd st & Colonial Road via Shore Road. When did it start terminating at 86th st & 4th Ave any know.?

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 20 12:31:37 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

I remember those! My parents had one which I used to read (it was more recent--mid-60s or so)

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes (2) - 1950s

Posted by Dan on Mon Sep 20 17:46:32 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes (2) - 1950s, posted by vfrt on Sun Sep 19 17:51:45 2010.

It proabably is the same atlas because the page numbers match up.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 20 21:34:12 2010, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Sun Sep 19 13:13:38 2010.

Raises a lot of interesting questions. I had several of these guides and I remembered lots of errors, so you can't believe everything you see here. One obvious error is on the B12, the omission of Woodruff St on the B12. (Clarkson Avenue never ran to Ocean Avenue.)

I wonder what the exact date for this guide is. I place it somewhere between 1946 and 1952, definitely not later than that. However, it still is not correct even for those dates because the B17 is incorrect. Assuming the routing it shows was once correct, I can't imagine why it would have operated to E 80 Street, unless there was a small community there. By 1936 the B17 had already been extended to Eastern Parkway using Utica Avenue in both directions, turning at Schenectady and Eastern Parkway. In 1936, the route was changed to use Schenectady southbound to Empire Blvd. By around 1955, it was changed to use Troy northbound and Utica southbound. However the guide can't be from the 1930s because it incorporates other changes from the 1940s.

I also never knew about the B64 going to Shore Road.

It's amazing to see all the small changes to the bus routes that occurred between 1930 and 1950. Changes seem to occur less frequently now except for the recent service cuts. I also wonder about the missing bus numbers like. B73, B76, B78, B79, B80 and B81. I know 78, 80, and 81 were reused later, but I wonder where the original numbers went.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Sep 20 23:54:16 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 20 21:34:12 2010.

According to the Motor Coach Age issue on Brooklyn (June-July 1975), the B64 was extended to Shore Road on 5/1/49 and then cut back to Fourth Avenue on 2/26/50.

Here is some info. on the missing numbers -

B73 Nortons Point Shuttle - 3/20/33 to 11/1/47 when it was combined with B36.
B76 Ulmer Park Shuttle - 12/18/46 to 3/4/47.
B78 78th/80th Street (Jamaica Avenue to Liberty Avenue) - 12/4/39 to 1/18/40.

No 80 or 81 are shown in the route descriptions.

I too liked the little red books but also found them to be sometimes inaccurate or out-of-date.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 21 00:57:06 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Sep 20 23:54:16 2010.

Thanks. Your information on the B64 would place the issue of this Red Book at approximately Jan. 1950 (between 5/49 and 2/50). Interesting how they experimented with bus routes then and changed it again when it didn't work out. They don't do that anymore.

Now I remember hearing the B73 as the Norton's Point Shuttle. After it was combined with the B36, it was separated again and was known as the B36 S (or Shuttle) the second time around.

Do you know the route of the Ulmer Park Shuttle? Never heard of that one. Or the B78 you mentioned either. 79, 80 and 81 are still mysteries.

I guess when Smith and Court were made into one-way pairs and the B66 discontinued, the southern portion became the B77 S (or Shuttle).

For those interested, the B72 was Junction Blvd. The B78 was re-used in 1966 along Ralph Avenue, and the B80 and B81 were World's Fair Routes in 1964 and 1965. B84 was the eastern portion of the B6. The B85 was the Army Base Shuttle.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by roadpilot on Tue Sep 21 01:10:06 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 21 00:57:06 2010.

I worked the B36S a few times in 1988 it just made a big loop around Sea Gate along the main road. You didn't have to make a trip unless some called the guard shack that they wanted the bus. Or someone got on at the first stop.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Sep 21 11:55:13 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 21 00:57:06 2010.

Yes, the 64-65 World's Fair routes were shown after the numerical line listing in MCA - 80 ran from Flatbush and Nostrand while the 81 started at Utica and Eastern Parkway.

Here are the route descriptions for the two very short-lived lines.

B76 Ulmer Park Shuttle (12/18/46 to 3/4/47) - from 86 Street & Bay Parkway via Bay Parkway, Belt Parkway, 26 Avenue, Cropsey Avenue and Bay Parkway to 86 Street.

B78 78 Street/80 Street (12/4/39 to 1/18/40) - from Jamaica Avenue via 80 Street, 91 Avenue, 77 Street, Rockaway Blvd, 82 Street, 95 Avenue, 80 Street to Liberty Avenue; return via Liberty, 81 Street, 97 Avenue, Digby Place, Rockaway Blvd, 78 Street to Jamaica Avenue.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Sep 21 15:13:13 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Sep 21 11:55:13 2010.

If the B78 ran today they would need to change the southbound routing from 91st Avenue to 90th Avenue since 91st Avenue went from two way to one way eastbound. The MTA would have probably renumbered the route the Q78 since the route serves Ozone Park and Woodhaven Queens. I could have used a route like that when I lived in Ozone Park. Instead to get from 78th Street/Liberty Avenue to to Jamaica Avenue/80th Street I would have to take two buses and to walk to the B13 route at Crescent Street/Liberty Avenue and take the B13 route to Crescent street/Jamaica Avenue and transfer to the eastbound Q56 route toward 80th Street.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by Dan on Tue Sep 21 17:16:30 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 20 21:34:12 2010.

The Geographia Guides did have a lot of little errors. I have a 1966 guide that in the street atlas section still gives walking distances from the long-closed LIRR Bay Ridge passenger stations, and long-gone trolley lines.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 21 18:17:29 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Sep 21 11:55:13 2010.

So it looks like the B76 became incorporated into the B6. So it is really the B76/6/84.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 21 18:19:38 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by Dan on Tue Sep 21 17:16:30 2010.

So it is possible that the 1950 version showed the B17 route from the early 1930s.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by B1bus on Tue Sep 21 19:20:20 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by wzlirr on Mon Sep 20 01:35:43 2010.

The new map on the B82 guide-a-ride shows 78 st as W 78 st..

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by B1bus on Tue Sep 21 19:22:50 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by roadpilot on Tue Sep 21 01:10:06 2010.

Someone told me that you did NOT have to live there to ride the bus.
Could that possibly be true. I don't believe that myself.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by roadpilot on Tue Sep 21 20:04:43 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by B1bus on Tue Sep 21 19:22:50 2010.

Any one could have rode the bus. You have to get past the Sea Gate Police officer first.

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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s

Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Sep 21 22:45:36 2010, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes - 1950s, posted by roadpilot on Tue Sep 21 20:04:43 2010.

not very hard. Just walk up to the walk in gate with a group of people as they get off the bus and wave like you belong.

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