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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 12 20:28:42 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 12:56:15 2010. The map is fine. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:19:00 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 12 20:28:42 2010. The map is fine. I was referring to whatever BrooklynBus wanted us to see up close by blowing up the photo. Blowing up the photo improves nothing. You would need to scan at a greater resolution in order to see more detail. Take Pride,
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 12 22:41:13 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 12 22:19:00 2010. yes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 23:56:30 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 12 17:54:48 2010. As I understand it, the private companies prior to the BMT and BQT, such as Naasau Electric which operated the B35 route allowed transfers within its own company. Also, some companies had agreements with other companies to cross honor some or all transfers. Some directions were not allowed because it was thought that a free transfer in that direction might allow a return trip for one fare.When MaBSTOA was created in 1962 to take over Fifth Avenue Coach and Third Avenue Railway (not sure of the name), all transfers were abolished. Since NYCTA had previously taken over the other private companies in Manhattan and operated a half dozen routes (eg. 1st and 2nd Avenue, 67/68 St, Chambers St, etc., those routes still transfered to each other after 1962. NYCTA which was created in 1953 did not increase any transfers except when service was discontinued and third transfers were added. So when new routes were created such as the B78 in 1965 (now B47) or the B83 or B84, they offered no transfers. Also, any routes that were extended by NYCTA after 1953 offered no new free transfers on the extended portions. Don't remember what year add-a-rides were started, but it was after one of the big fare increases like from 35 cents to 50 cents. It was pretty much anywhere where a double bus fare would have been required. They were all made free when MetroCard was introduced. And subway transfers started with MetroCard Gold. You had to be at the exact location for the transfer for it to be honored. You couldn't walk a block then get on with the transfer if you saw a bus coming. Usually it was the first point of intersection, a few cases last point of intersection. If the two routes paralleled each other then diverged, you could not transfer while they ran together, only at the point specified. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 00:03:32 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 12 20:28:42 2010. The site I uploaded the picture to chose the resolution. My copy is a little clearer. The hollow arrows if you can see them shows locations where you are allowed to pick up a second transfer. There were also some special free transfers allowed for Kingsborough College students only which are not shown. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 00:18:33 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 11 21:52:11 2010. I don't want to get into a conversation with you because of one of our past conversations which I don't even remember, but something you said made me never want to discuss anything with you again. But I'll answer your question this time only.I wasn't referring to this specific Bronx situation which may or may not be true. I was speaking in general that these service cuts are causing many people where routes are being shortened, to require a third bus and extra fare to complete their trip. A good example is the B48 in Brooklyn where the MTA stated, people can just transfer to the B49 to continue south of Fulton Street. However, anyone who boarded the B48 with a transfer cannot just transfer to the B49 without paying extra. The point about people being forced to buy unlimiteds relates to this. One purchases an unlimited if it is cost efficient depending on the number of trips made. If someone will now have to pay a double fare because of the service cuts, the threshold where it makes sense to purchase an unlimited declines drastically. That's what I meant by saying "being forced to purchase an unlimited." |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 13 01:36:33 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 10 20:54:11 2010. The B46 "Fare Deal" started in the early 90s before there was a free transfer between bus and subway. Its actually started the same day as the B46 Limited. It was basically a way to get people away from the dollar vans that was very frequent along Utica Ave during that time.When you boarded the Williamsburg bound B46 bus south of Eastern Pkwy during the AM rush, you'll get a free transfer to the IRT at Eastern Pkwy. During the PM rush, it was towards Kings Plaza. I believe that you had to swipe your Metrocard anywhere along the 3/4 route in Manhattan... |
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Posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 13 03:29:54 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 11 12:42:36 2010. No. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 07:02:46 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 00:03:32 2010. The site I uploaded the picture to chose the resolution. Then you OBVIOUSLY uploaded it to the wrong site! Why don't you email your copy to someone who knows how to upload images to sites without the resolution changing?????? Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 07:08:41 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 00:18:33 2010. I don't want to get into a conversation with you because of one of our past conversations which I don't even rememberLOL! But I'll answer your question this time only. Uh huh... I wasn't referring to this specific Bronx situation which may or may not be true. I was speaking in general that these service cuts are causing many people where routes are being shortened, to require a third bus and extra fare to complete their trip. A good example is the B48 in Brooklyn where the MTA stated, people can just transfer to the B49 to continue south of Fulton Street. However, anyone who boarded the B48 with a transfer cannot just transfer to the B49 without paying extra. The point about people being forced to buy unlimiteds relates to this. One purchases an unlimited if it is cost efficient depending on the number of trips made. If someone will now have to pay a double fare because of the service cuts, the threshold where it makes sense to purchase an unlimited declines drastically. That's what I meant by saying "being forced to purchase an unlimited." Somehow I imagine that the situation is not like you describe, and that there's an alternate route that doesn't involve an extra fare, or that this only affects a minuscule number of people but provides a decent cost savings for NYCT. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 07:11:33 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 13 03:29:54 2010. Thanks for correcting him. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jul 13 08:03:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 23:56:30 2010. Wow, seriously, we don't realize how good we have it today with MetroCard and the transfers provided. So would a first-time rider 30-40 years ago have no choice but to ask other people about where a transfer was good? The map did not show free transfers I don't think. Were you basically stuck until you had the transfer ticket in hand in terms of finding out whether or not you needed another fare to get on the next bus? |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jul 13 09:07:47 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 23:56:30 2010. "Don't remember what year add-a-rides were started, but it was after one of the big fare increases like from 35 cents to 50 cents."You're right, it was on 9/1/75 with the increase to 50 cents. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 14:02:43 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by B1bus on Tue Jul 13 03:29:54 2010. Explain. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 14:07:13 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jul 13 08:03:11 2010. Pretty much if it was the first time you were making the trip. You are corrrect. Not only didn't the map show free transfers, it wasn't even much of a map, nothing like what we have today, and it didn't come out until the mid 1960s. Before then you just had to buy a Hagstrom map which only showed the streets with bus or trolley lines, not individual routes or numbers. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 14:08:20 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jul 13 09:07:47 2010. I used to know all of that. But you've got all that documentation in front of you. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 14:15:38 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 13 01:36:33 2010. I didn't remember that.Intersting it took them until the 1990s to want to do something about the dollar vans along Utica Avenue which the MTA caused to happen in the late 70s by cutting headways from 2 to 4 minutes when the buses were already overcrowded at 2 minute headways bypassing people. First private cars started picking up people for hire, then they were replaced by gypsy cabs and much later the dollar vans. At that time (around 1976) they had no idea who was riding what line or how crowded the buses were. They just instituted a five or ten percent cutback in service across the board when the budget situation worsened. The heaviest routes during the rush hours with the most frequent service suffered the most. The B46 was one of them. I documented it in a report for the Department of City Planning in 1980. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:23:50 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 13 01:36:33 2010. Metrocard didn't start until 1994.The "fare deal" project was when you boarded the B46 bus (or Bx22 to the 6 train at Castle Hill), you paid the full bus fare plus 25 cents extra for a return trip bus ride. The paper transfer ticket was good until 4 AM the next day, and it didn't matter where you started or ended your subway trip because Metrocards were not yet fully implemented yet. You can surrender your transfer ticket only on a S/B B46 bus at Eastern Parkway/Utica or a S/B Bx22 bus at Castle Hill/Westchester Ave up until 4 AM the next day. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 13 14:25:20 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:23:50 2010. Interesting. Why for the Bx22 connection? |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Jul 13 14:39:49 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jul 13 08:03:11 2010. Why don't we just switch the Bx10 with the Bx7 through south Riverdale? It would solve a lot of this BS IMO. Yes the Bx7 would be a longer trip end to end, but I thought we (MTA) are here to serve the public, not ourselves. Just one B/O's opinion. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:55:26 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 13 14:25:20 2010. The B46 and Bx22 were experimental routes, they wanted to see how the round trip paper ticket transfer would work. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 13 17:17:42 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:55:26 2010. Thanks. Always cool to hear about these little experiments the MTA has done years ago. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Jul 13 18:11:09 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by TheHat on Tue Jul 13 14:39:49 2010. [Why don't we just switch the Bx10 with the Bx7 through south Riverdale?]Then the Bx7 would completely overlap with the Bx20, which would allow NYCT to kill the Bx20 altogether! Meanwhile, Spuyten Duyvil would lose its link to points east of Broadway, while lower Riverdale Avenue would lose its link to points south of 231st. A bit of history... Until 1989, the section of Riverdale Avenue between 231st and 239th was served weekdays only (originally by the old Bx10, then by the Bx7) and Spuyten Duyvil had the primary service (the original M100, later supplemented by the current Bx10). In March of 1989, the M100 was shortened to 207th Street, with the upper part becoming Bx20. (All these years later, the Riverdale crowd still resents the rather rude reminder that they aren't part of Manhattan.) At the same time, the Bx7 was extended south from 207th to 168th. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 18:51:04 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 07:08:41 2010. You can imagine all you want. As usual you have no idea what you are talking about, and I'm not even going to try to change your mind. You're not worth it. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 18:55:08 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 18:51:04 2010. It is now worth responding to "it". |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 18:55:31 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 18:51:04 2010. It is NOT worth responding to "it". |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jul 13 19:09:50 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Jul 13 18:11:09 2010. "(All these years later, the Riverdale crowd still resents the rather rude reminder that they aren't part of Manhattan.)"As part of the Riverdale crowd, I can assure you that any such resentment faded long ago. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 13 20:06:16 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Jul 13 18:11:09 2010. Who from Riverdale takes the Bx10 east of Broadway outside of school hours? The Bx1 and Bx10 run too closely together for my taste east of Broadway honestly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 20:52:10 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 13 18:51:04 2010. You can imagine all you want. I already do. Because you seem to be wrong quite often, I'm forced to imagine where you went wrong if I'm not intimately familiar with the subject at hand. I don't know why you bother posting here when almost everyone knows you're wrong and various people here are correcting you daily. Take Pride,
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Jul 13 21:07:22 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 20:52:10 2010. And Abraham grew old, and came along in days; and G-d blessedAbraham in everything Genesis 24:1 The Torah considers old age a virtue and a blessing. Throughout the Torah, “old” (zakein) is synonymous with “wise”; the Torah commands us to respect all elderly, regardless of their scholarship and piety, because the many trials and experiences that each additional year of life brings yield a wisdom which the most accomplished young prodigy cannot equal. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Jul 14 01:56:28 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:23:50 2010. Yes, that was it. Thanks for the clarification, NPD. It was so long ago. I still have the ad for the program somewhere in the house. I didnt know it was done on the Bx22 as well....... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 14 10:47:45 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Jul 13 21:07:22 2010. He says the words of the torah three times a day, but never stops to think about or practice what he is saying. He repeats about others what people say about him. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jul 14 14:06:21 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Jul 14 01:56:28 2010. IIRC, based on the program you could continue on the B46 to another location (A/C or J subway) because using the subway was irrelevant to the bus at that time (you didn't even need to use the subway if your destination was near Eastern Parkway) but it is clear that the tickets were issued for any B46 customer boarding a N/B bus towards EP while return trip tickets were valid for surrender to the B/O ony at the EP bus stop for southbound B46 travel only, no other bus stop. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jul 14 14:13:57 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 12 23:56:30 2010. I was also asking what in practice happened with transfers. I understand the policy, that you had to be at a set location, but would you say there is a majority percentage of drivers, either friendly or unfriendly, who may have bent the rules a little bit? Were most drivers enforcing policy? Were most understanding? Was it split? This is just based on your (or anyone's) experience of riding during this time period. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 14 21:48:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jul 14 14:13:57 2010. The practice was usually enforced and passengers abided by it. It was definitely an exception if a driver allowed a transfer at a non-designated point. I think I only saw that happen once. Usually the passenger got off and walked back a stop or two to the transfer point to wait for the next bus after the driver explained where it was allowed. I never saw anyone pay an extra fare and not get off the bus when this happened. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 15 10:16:55 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 14 21:48:11 2010. Ok next question:Did drivers scrupulously check transfers given them, even at legal locations, to confirm that the transfer was valid? I remember just before paper transfers were discontinued, I would watch drivers take transfers in bulk at major locations and just stare out the window while stacking them up in his/her hand. Granted memories fade but I don't really remember drivers observing/inspecting transfers all that much even if they had the time to, like when receiving only one at a given bus stop. Were they glancing do you think? I also remember that some drivers in issuing transfers really didn't care about what time it was and just handed out full-length transfers (the ones good until the next day) no matter what. Since after midnight, the next time you could set the transfer to expire was at 6am, I guess that meant you had all night to make your transfer if you were traveling overnight. That's one good thing lost due to MetroCard (still I definitely prefer MetroCard transfers to the old policies!) |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20} |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 15 11:15:11 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 15 10:16:55 2010. The drivers did check the transfers because it was not hard to do. All that was required was to make sure the date was correct, and that the PM sticker was attached if it was after 1PM. (There was an hour grace period.) and to make sure the color was correct if the transfer was allowed in only one direction. (In the later days, all transfers were white with a colored stripe to save on printing costs. Originally they were yellow or orange in one direction and green in the other. Special transfers were grey or pink.) When 20 people are boarding all at once and all are handing you transfers, one that looks different stands out like a sore thumb and is easy to notice even if the driver is not trying.It was more difficult to take a stack of transfers before your run started and break off the PMs from them as they were required to do. I would guess that 75% or more of the drivers never bothered to do this and usually you could get on at 9 AM with a PM sticker attached. In fact, passengers would scorn at any driver who would dare to hand them a transfer without the PM even if they had plenty of time to make the transfer. Drivers who handed a passenger a transfer without the PM after 11 AM would actually receive an argument from the passenger and request a different one with the PM attached. Some drivers who over estimated how many AM passengers would need transfers didn't like to exchange them for another one fearing they would run out before the end of the day, some even refused to change them explaining they had til 1PM to use them. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 15 11:37:19 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 15 11:15:11 2010. What time period is this? I wasn't around in the 70s and early 80s but I remember the orange or blue transfers that had each hour of the day printed toward the top of the paper and they could be cut at basically any hour, I guess around the 90s. These are the transfers I was inquiring about. Still, your post is very interesting -- I had no idea about PM stickers on the older transfers.It's amazing how MTA just stopped caring about all of this and just allows transfers essentially everywhere. Do you think it was just because of MetroCard? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 15 13:04:00 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jul 15 11:37:19 2010. It was from the mid-1950s when my memory begins until they were replaced with the transfers you speak of which I actually forgot all about because they weren't around for that many years.When I locate them and can find the time, I'll try and post the older transfers I spoke of. Don Harold from the TA was nice enough to give me a complete set back in 1974 including all the special transfers which I had never seen before or since. They still care because they won't allow three-legged transfers. Watch the NY Times in the next few days for a story about this. I spoke to a reporter yesterday. |
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Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal) |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu Jul 15 19:36:56 2010, in response to Re: Assemblyman Dinowitz (Bronx) asks for paper transfers {cutback on Bx20}(B46 Fare Deal), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Jul 13 14:55:26 2010. And the B74. |
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